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08-06-2014, 10:43 PM | #4021 | |||
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08-06-2014, 11:08 PM | #4022 | ||
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And again...you're not appreciating what is involved in putting these things in cars. This isnt some aftermarket or backyard hack job here, it is a car maker that has all manner of durability, NVH, cost, safety and all sorts of other standards to meet to make it work. So slamming the electric tailgate system from the Expedition or whatever it is into the Territory is more than just whacking a motor in, you'd have to redesign the tailgate and body pressings to fit all the hardware, get automotive electrical engineers to design a wiring harness to make it talk to the vehicle's system and hope the BEM will support that function, which means engineering an overall workable solution that will have to meet all those internal standards I mentioned earlier. Which means big dollars. So you spend your money on things you CAN do easily or cheaply, such is the price of using legacy platforms.
Or alternatively, go cap in hand to Dearborn and ask for a $600 million loan for a new Territory top hat to enable all of these things to be designed in, and they would have shuttered the place years before 2016. If hypothetically we were getting all new next generation locally developed and made cars, they most likely would have been designed from the get go to have as much global hardware as possible, assuming you had the blessing of head office and an open cheque book. You can do that with a clean sheet design. Much harder with a legacy platform that has its roots in a different millenium. I'm not making excuses for Ford here, i'm just telling it like it is. Yes I would quite like those retractable side steps on my Territory btw
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09-06-2014, 12:13 AM | #4023 | |||
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09-06-2014, 09:24 AM | #4024 | ||
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Re selling Falcon in the US, I thought the yanks have a different standard for side collisions where traditional cars require more door/less window than a Falcon has due to potential of being T-boned by a pick-up truck over there.
Thought this is the reason why cars sold in their market now have much taller doors and smaller side windows. Really notice it in the wife's Hyundai when I go to rest my arm on the door, and notice it visually on plenty of global cars these days. |
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09-06-2014, 09:29 AM | #4025 | ||
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Lot of talk about "Falcon to the US", how people say "I posted a photo of a FG on a American page and a few said they would buy one...
It's not just as simple as whacking sync and electronic start in the Falcon and expecting it to sell well over ther, we can't build them cheap enough to sell them as a reasonably priced product. Just look at the Commodore over there, priced the same as the Camaro. The falcon needed big changes with the BA to even give it chance...Barra replaced by a V6, bringing the global drivetrain into the fold, bringing it inline with global developments...Barra is too big and bulky... But when you mention V6, you are told to p*ss off, barra 4lyf!
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09-06-2014, 10:11 AM | #4026 | |||
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Plus in the past decade there has been a seismic shift in the attitude from head office. In the past where they were happy to have regional outfits doing their own thing as long as they weren't wasting too much money (FoA ran substantial losses over the years but also did their best to keep costs down on new projects) whereas now the screws are well and truly in, and it is only recently where they have attempted to keep development costs down by using global parts but there is a limit to what you can use given the legacy platform thing I mentioned earlier. Ford Australia simply never had the economies of scale to bring new and expensive technologies to market. Whereas say Mazda with the Mazda 3 are able to bring [insert ****y and expensive tech here] to the market, they can justify spending the $$$ to do it because they will get a return on investment from it being a global car being sold on the global market. Territory and Falcon had no such chance and the R&D spend reflects the size of the market they are confined to and the return on investment.
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09-06-2014, 10:16 AM | #4027 | ||
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In fact I will go right out on a limb here and suggest that the FG Falcon should never have happened, Ford should have extended the life of the EA169/B series to 2010 and the money spent on an all new Falcon should have been redirected to an all new Territory with at least one (preferably two) spinoff models from it. LHD from the get go, corporate engines, etc, it would have given FoA a fighting chance at staying profitable and therefore staying open into 2016 and beyond by directing its resources to profitable and volume selling segments that are in demand globally. But, Ford's future is now its history I guess.
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09-06-2014, 10:17 AM | #4028 | |||
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09-06-2014, 10:26 AM | #4029 | |||
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09-06-2014, 10:43 AM | #4030 | |||
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Then in 2011 you had someone else in the chair, and I would suggest to you it was in 2011 a decision was made that is still resonating... Plus the $230 Million for Ecoboost in the Falcon wasn't just for that - it was for the diesel engine for the Territory and associated facelift, the new EcoLPi engine, and I would suggest some of it was squirreled away for the 201X car. Spread out over a number of projects. FoA are good at "driving their dollar further"
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09-06-2014, 01:51 PM | #4031 | ||
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Hey,
Have a bit of info on a few of the cars Hopefully I'll get back on later Spyman Last edited by spyman03; 10-06-2014 at 09:20 PM. |
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09-06-2014, 04:07 PM | #4032 | ||
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Nice little G6E Logo on the bulb cover/reflector.. that's some Germanic style attention to detail right there!
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09-06-2014, 04:14 PM | #4033 | |||
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09-06-2014, 04:56 PM | #4036 | |||
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THAT IS ....... as long as they do stick in the Falcon again???
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09-06-2014, 05:16 PM | #4037 | ||
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Different motor
Falcons 2l ecoboost Mustang the 2.3l ecoboost |
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09-06-2014, 05:22 PM | #4038 | ||
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the 2.3l sounds pretty impressive in my book for a 4 cylinder, I reckon it will go hard, not as hard as the 5L but still for a 4cylinder!! just look at the 2L Eco boost!! just a matter of interest, is the 2.3L based on the 2L or is this a brand new designed motor??
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09-06-2014, 05:22 PM | #4039 | ||
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Yes ..... same same but different. EcoBoost is the name, along with 4 cyl (or what ever cylinders they have) ..... the point is with the direction they are taking the 'Eco' brand and that is getting away from cubes as a marketing ploy. Powering F series trucks to Fiesta's, Mondeo's and Mustangs ..... with an EcoBoost engine.
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09-06-2014, 07:31 PM | #4043 | |||
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Journo claims are based on new, tight engines, hand-built to micron tolerance, obviously going to be a bit thirster, so unless you've driven one for a while, put some decent kms on it and/or (in my case) daily commuted, it's hard to appreciate the reality. FG speedos and odometers seem very accurate, and the bowser doesn't lie.
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09-06-2014, 08:09 PM | #4045 | ||
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hey,
guys here's a better over all snippet of the xt with the new falcon nose a form of park sensor across the range, also note no L.E.D on the base model headlight, and it looks like ford have listened and put a clear repeater for whitch ill post later and I've got one of the reported L.E.D strips nailed note that I've heavy stamped the image just to hide some detail marks anyway enjoy and hope it hits the mark to keep this thread ticking along spyman Last edited by spyman03; 20-06-2014 at 12:19 PM. |
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09-06-2014, 08:19 PM | #4046 | ||
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Well done spyman, well done indeed
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09-06-2014, 08:26 PM | #4048 | ||
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Top marks spyman
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we will see tomorrow !
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09-06-2014, 08:29 PM | #4050 | ||
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Thanks spyman! Do you know of any major changes to the interior?
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