Covid 19 -

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Nah the ones wearing masks are the ones who don't care

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Not all masks are created equally I see because you can wear those ones in a bank but you can't wear a surgical one in there.

So you appear to be implying that all those I've seen not social distancing etc are doing the right thing.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Thought I'd share my experience:

After hearing that it is now recommended that all Victorians wear a mask out in public, I went out and bought a box of 50 disposable masks today, happy to do my bit to protect both myself and others.

So here's my situation. I live by myself, in Gippsland, and have been working from home on a full-time basis since the end of March. My work is about 50kms down the road, hence most of my work mates don't live near me and I don't tend to socialise with them much outside of work. I don't have a big circle of friends near where I live because I spend a lot of my time at work, 50kms away.

I have my daughter with me on an alternating weekly basis. I see my mum, who lives not far away, a few times a week. She just turned 70 but is pretty fit and healthy, apart from getting bronchitis nearly every winter. (funnily enough, she hasn't so far this winter, touch wood).

So, for me, the biggest risk area for contracting CV-19 is my weekly grocery shop. So, I used a mask today for the first time. When I did my shop at the local Woolies, I could count on one hand the number of others that were wearing a mask too. And most of those were older folk. I certainly received my fair share of looks.

Given that I am a glasses wearer, I did find the mask a little awkward to begin with. My glasses tended to fog up at times. But after a while i did get used to it, and I got used to people having a second look. To me, it reminded me of the first time wearing any PPE for work; it felt different initially, but I soon got used to it.

One major positive out of wearing the mask for me was that I found I touched my face (eyes, mouth) significantly less whilst wearing the mask compared to without.

The benefit from that element alone would encourage me to continue to wear a mask in high risk areas (dong a shop at the local supermarket).

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

The article on the ABC I read stated that the requirement to wear a mask also applied to those who lived outside the metro/Mitchell area but needed to visit those areas for any of the four approved reasons.

Confirmed here Franco:

Face coverings in regional Victoria continue to be recommended in situations where maintaining 1.5 metres distance is not possible – however regional Victorians will have to wear a mask when visiting metropolitan Melbourne or Mitchell Shire for one of the permitted reasons.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I see my mum, who lives not far away, a few times a week. She just turned 70 but is pretty fit and healthy, apart from getting bronchitis nearly every winter.

And that is a good enough reason. And why we are all asked to.

Well done.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Conflicting information

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/face-masks-covid-19

DHHS website says its only recommended to wear face masks and that it won't be enforced.

I've been generally supportive of the government's actions to date, this situation is unprecedented, and I can't imagine it would be easy to set policies on the fly that affect lives either way. But their DHHS website needs a lot of work. It's not easy to find the exact info you are looking for, and the info seems to be out of date. If you are going to dish out hefty fines, then you better set the rules clearly, which they have not done.

Case in point. The DHHS website states you are currently allowed to visit one non family member for reasons including providing mental health care support. This is something I do for a friend of mine, she lives alone, and relies on me to come visit once or twice a week. I'm not a professional health care worker, just a friend to provide moral support. I messaged DHHS this afternoon to seek clarification on whether I can continue to do this (despite their website saying I can). They said "under current rules, no". WTF? They said, however we can both meet somewhere to exercise. I asked, would travelling 16kms to meet her be reasonable? They didn't say "no", but suggested we meet half way to cut travel distance down. How the hell does that make any difference, if one person travels 16km or two people travel 8kms? They also gave me a heads up that police were still doing "spot checks", and wouldn't confirm that travelling 8kms to exercise would not get me a fine. WTF!?!?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

One major positive out of wearing the mask for me was that I found I touched my face (eyes, mouth) significantly less whilst wearing the mask compared to without.
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I was the opposite. When I first started wearing one, I found myself constantly adjusting it, which would inevitably involve touching some part of the face. But now that I'm used to it, its less of a problem.

[cheap]

TP shortages and now Mask shortages. What's next?

[.:4:.]

Clearly shortages of rational and responsible behaviour

[Franco Cozzo]

There's an unknown Melbourne based MMA fighter whose been picked up by the media and gone viral about his stance on COVID19 and masks becoming mandatory

Self-proclaimed “world class MMA fighter” Vik Grujic has announced he “will not comply” with the Victorian government’s directive that all Melburnians must wear face masks.

Grujic says he “will never bow to a dictatorship” after premier Daniel Andrews announced the measure which will come into effect on Wednesday due to the second COVID-19 wave in Victoria.

https://7news.com.au/sport/ufc/i-wil...rule-c-1176645

[marty351]

Who's Vic Grujic?

[Captain Stubing]

An interesting story, my wife has two sisters who live in the UK came to visit us in Australia in March of this year, when Covid was an international whisper. They were to stay for three weeks, but the situation ramped up, and the UK wanted them to return home ASAP, which they did at considerable expense.

One of the sisters is a nurse, and was sent to work in a ward for Covid patients. She caught the virus. The other sister worked from home, and wasn't affected. The sister who caught the virus lived in what we call a Townhouse, with her daughter and her daughter's partner. At the end of it, she didn't pass the Covid virus to her daughter and partner, just by keeping apart in the same townhouse, and observing hygene standards.

My wife's sister is a bit ditzy, as well, so I think she did well.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Captain Stubing

An interesting story, my wife has two sisters who live in the UK came to visit us in Australia in March of this year, when Covid was an international whisper. They were to stay for three weeks, but the situation ramped up, and the UK wanted them to return home ASAP, which they did at considerable expense.

One of the sisters is a nurse, and was sent to work in a ward for Covid patients. She caught the virus. The other sister worked from home, and wasn't affected. The sister who caught the virus lived in what we call a Townhouse, with her daughter and her daughter's partner. At the end of it, she didn't pass the Covid virus to her daughter and partner, just by keeping apart in the same townhouse, and observing hygene standards.

My wife's sister is a bit ditzy, as well, so I think she did well.

Interesting they all live in the same apartment and didn't spread it yet in Melbourne it's spreading like wildfire between parts of our North Western suburbs in community transmission cases up the wazoo.

[XR Martin]

New strain is why, it appears to be more virulent than the earlier strain.

Oh BTW it was pretty obvious in early March that this was going to get bad.
Even mid February someone like a nurse should have seen the signs.

[Jack91]

If its so dangerous that we need to wear masks to go into the city then LOCK IT DOWN FFS. Noone in or out except for critical supplies. No work. Protests or gatherings get broken up with heavy force, no questions asked. Full riot squad.
Regular people 100s of kms from Melbourne are crapping ourselves about what astronomically stupid thing you city dwellers are going to do next because we dont want it here

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Jack91

If its so dangerous that we need to wear masks to go into the city then LOCK IT DOWN FFS. Noone in or out except for critical supplies. No work. Protests or gatherings get broken up with heavy force, no questions asked. Full riot squad.
Regular people 100s of kms from Melbourne are crapping ourselves about what astronomically stupid thing you city dwellers are going to do next because we dont want it here

It'll cause immense damage to the economy, more than it's already caused.

I'm wondering where we cross the point where we decide what people's lives are worth and let it run rampant by opening everything up.

This sort of semi lockdown can't happen forever.

[Captain Stubing]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Interesting they all live in the same apartment and didn't spread it yet in Melbourne it's spreading like wildfire between parts of our North Western suburbs in community transmission cases up the wazoo.

That's it, she was aware she may have been infected, so was careful in her actions. It wasn't till later after she recovered, she was tested and found to have the Covid antibodies in her system that she knew it was Covid, and not a case of the flu.

She should have stayed here so we could go sailing up the Pumicestone Passage more often!

[nstg8a]

Every life has a dollar value whether we like it or not.

It’s only a matter of time before we get to the stage where it’s just “well, we’ve done everything to try and knock this over and you morons would rather have COVID parties, avoid border controls and just generally act like retards... so, it’s every man for himself. Time to let nature clean out the gene pool.”

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It'll cause immense damage to the economy, more than it's already caused.

I'm wondering where we cross the point where we decide what people's lives are worth and let it run rampant by opening everything up.

This sort of semi lockdown can't happen forever.

I agree, but it seems like theres no end to government money handouts. Most of us will just lose our houses and cars, but its cool because everyone in the dhs and centrelink system will get another bonus.

I guess i have a hard time understanding how many people go to uni all their lives, endless research grants and funding, millions of books i cant even read the title of, yet noone can sort this out.
Ive been building stuff, what have all the 'educated' people been doing? I thought we had people for this.

But I guess they did come up with rubbing alcohol on your hands and wearing a mask that filters out less crap than a winnie blue.

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Every life has a dollar value whether we like it or not.

It’s only a matter of time before we get to the stage where it’s just “well, we’ve done everything to try and knock this over and you morons would rather have COVID parties, avoid border controls and just generally act like retards... so, it’s every man for himself. Time to let nature clean out the gene pool.”

There'll be "safe contraction rooms" coming to a suburb near you very soon.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by marty351

Who's Vic Grujic?

Some unknown who wants to get his name in lights for the wrong reasons.One of these people who think rules are made for them to flout

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

The article on the ABC I read stated that the requirement to wear a mask also applied to those who lived outside the metro/Mitchell area but needed to visit those areas for any of the four approved reasons.

Who would want to.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Jack91

I agree, but it seems like theres no end to government money handouts. Most of us will just lose our houses and cars, but its cool because everyone in the dhs and centrelink system will get another bonus.

I guess i have a hard time understanding how many people go to uni all their lives, endless research grants and funding, millions of books i cant even read the title of, yet noone can sort this out.
Ive been building stuff, what have all the 'educated' people been doing? I thought we had people for this.

But I guess they did up with rubbing alcohol on your hands and wearing a mask that filters out less crap than a winnie blue.

Not enough sociology books I suppose, there's a lot of conjecture about Australians standing up for one another, what's right and a 'fair go' - Melbourne is showing you it's a long gone ethos, no one cares about community or each other, we're a very diverse city though, the most multicultural capital city in the country, our universities and employers have been hooked on international students and cheap labour through migration and casualisation of the workforce.

We experienced things early on like the 'daigou' buying up all the baby formula and exporting it, there's huge parts of our community who run business solely through 'wechat', they've got a lots of masks for sale at the moment but everyone else can't buy any at the shops? Even have their own uber eats style service, this all just services a micro economy within Melbourne that caters to their community alone, you might be able to get some benefits if you have friends involved.

It's just a repeat of what my grandparents did in the 1940s/1950s, we've seen it before.

Nearly 40% of Melbourne's population was born overseas - it's the second largest capital city at circa 5 million people, 20% of Australia's entire population lives in Melbourne, and I mean just Melbourne, not the rest of Victoria.

It's probably hard to conceptualise this for people in much smaller and less multicultural capital cities, you don't experience the micro communities and economies divided by race, ethnic identity, ideology and religion to the same extent we do.

Is it a mystery why Melbourne and in particular North Western and South Eastern suburbs/regions are having issues?

When the Spanish Flu came about 100 years ago information and communication didn't play such a huge role, it was easier to contain.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Face masks now mandatory in VIC outside of your home.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...atory/12470424

No, in Melbourne. !

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Not enough sociology books I suppose, there's a lot of conjecture about Australians standing up for one another, what's right and a 'fair go' - Melbourne is showing you it's a long gone ethos, no one cares about community or each other, we're a very diverse city though, the most multicultural capital city in the country, our universities and employers have been hooked on international students and cheap labour through migration and casualisation of the workforce.

We experienced things early on like the 'daigou' buying up all the baby formula and exporting it, there's huge parts of our community who run business solely through 'wechat', they've got a lots of masks for sale at the moment but everyone else can't buy any at the shops? Even have their own uber eats style service, this all just services a micro economy within Melbourne.

It's just a repeat of what my grandparents did in the 1940s/1950s, we've seen it before.

Nearly 40% of Melbourne's population was born overseas - it's the second largest capital city at circa 5 million people, 20% of Australia's entire population lives in Melbourne, and I mean just Melbourne, not the rest of Victoria.

It's probably hard to conceptualise this for people in much smaller and less multicultural capital cities.

Is it a mystery why Melbourne and in particular certain North Western and South Eastern suburbs/regions are having issues?

When the Spanish Flu came about 100 years ago information and communication didn't play such a huge role, it was easier to contain.

Yep, 6 million people live in Victoria, 5 million live in Melbourne.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yep, 6 million people live in Victoria, 5 million live in Melbourne.

Melbourne and Sydney are metropolitan monsters in context of our entire countries population.

If you worked on percentages population numbers by percentage of total country population would be like Los Angeles and New York having around 65 million people each living in their metropolitan areas.

If you stop looking at people as the cause and look at the city itself, is it so bad in Melbourne because of how it's economy is structured, it's centralised nature and the way it's infrastructure is?

I hope that in 25 years time future governments have looked back on this pandemic and city planning has changed to avoid these scenarios. I doubt it though, maybe I'll still be around to see

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Jack91

If its so dangerous that we need to wear masks to go into the city then LOCK IT DOWN FFS. Noone in or out except for critical supplies. No work. Protests or gatherings get broken up with heavy force, no questions asked. Full riot squad.
Regular people 100s of kms from Melbourne are crapping ourselves about what astronomically stupid thing you city dwellers are going to do next because we dont want it here

IMO they're trying to steer the response by data, the data is infections that were acquired on average 11 days ago, trying to do this means you are behind a very fast moving adversary. Those who have controlled/eradicated it locked down hard and early like NZ. A sudden hit, but now their internal economy is opened unrestricted.

And yes Jack there have been some total facepalm moments at the behaviour, hope that is a tiny minority

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Yep, 6 million people live in Victoria, 5 million live in Melbourne.

It’s not the number of people that’s the issue, it’s how it’s distributed. With more and more of this greedy council and developer subdivision ****e everywhere, it’s the concentration and the clusters it creates that poses the main issue and threat when these types of things happen. It’s becoming evident with our crappy Urban planning strategy that just because you can..... doesn’t mean you should.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Melbourne and Sydney are metropolitan monsters in context of our entire countries population.

If you worked on percentages population numbers by percentage of total country population would be like Los Angeles and New York having around 65 million people each living in their metropolitan areas.

If you stop looking at people as the cause and look at the city itself, is it so bad in Melbourne because of how it's economy is structured, it's centralised nature and the way it's infrastructure is?

I hope that in 25 years time future governments have looked back on this pandemic and city planning has changed to avoid these scenarios. I doubt it though, maybe I'll still be around to see

I grew up in Sydney, never want to live in another big city again.

[Sprintey]

Whitey I wonder if it is going to change urban planning long term. Maybe they go low density again and the whole of Victoria becomes a city like Coruscant in Star Wars

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Whitey-AMG

It’s not the number of people that’s the issue, it’s how it’s distributed. With more and more of this greedy council and developer subdivision ****e everywhere, it’s the concentration and the clusters it creates that poses the main issue and threat when these types of things happen. It’s becoming evident with our crappy Urban planning strategy that just because you can..... doesn’t mean you should.

You forgot to mention greedy home owners too.
No, I hear this crap time and time again, most city people don't want to live in the country cause they think they will not find employment or they will not work for less or get bored and demand all the big box shops, malls and instant entertainment. That's why they have their little country holding (read tax write off) so they can pretend to be country folk.
Big hat, no sheep we call them.
Just ask people like Leesa here, that's the way people think.

I like it the way it is, 5mill in the city.