2015 Ford Everest - Page 15

Matty4 · 19-06-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by paulb351

Looking at pricing online it seems in Phillipines where Toyota sell the Fortuna the Everest is priced lower but above Fortuna and well below Prado. In Aus no Fortuna so price is higher to align closer to Prado And becomes in titanium at least the most costly. Overseas markets have a four badge lineup with what Aus call Titanium called the Titanium Plus and the titanium model a reduced feature list

Success or not will depend on potential customers, myself included, deciding on this strategy is acceptable and handing over the coin. At this price I've gone from buy now to not interested and see what happens next year...

Agree 100% with this.
I was (am) a potential buyer of one of these but the price at this stage has put me off too.
I'll wait 12 months now to see what the market determines what they are really worth. I'm only looking at the Titanium.
When I bought my Jeep it had been out for a bit over 12 months and the RRP DA price was around 81K here in Vic. I bought mine for 73K including towbar (1K) and roof bars (500), so I figure discounting will happen with this too, once people start posting up how much they actually paid and word starts spreading.

Orangejuicepony · 28-06-2015, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I still see the Everest as more a (much better) competitor to Challenger, MUX and Colorado7. But there is no doubt the Everest looks WAY better than the Prado!

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I would say it matches the old girl, but doesn't best it significantly, especially now the Prado has the fuel sipping 2.8 with near enough to the same performance and that loooong range tank no one can come close to its outback touring ability. Plus the long list of aftermarket accessories, close to faultless reliability (not something ford has, ever) and the most comprehensive dealer network.

Toys aside the best thing ford did was give it AWD like the Prado with separate diff lock. And with the pricing more or less the same, it will be very hard for many who trust the old Prado to risk a ford for the first time.

Balls in toyotas caught, but we'll see how long for.

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paulb351 · 28-06-2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty4

Agree 100% with this.

I was (am) a potential buyer of one of these but the price at this stage has put me off too.

I'll wait 12 months now to see what the market determines what they are really worth. I'm only looking at the Titanium.

When I bought my Jeep it had been out for a bit over 12 months and the RRP DA price was around 81K here in Vic. I bought mine for 73K including towbar (1K) and roof bars (500), so I figure discounting will happen with this too, once people start posting up how much they actually paid and word starts spreading.

I'm looking at a titanium also but have to add bullbar, snorkel, long range fuel tank, swap out 20" inch wheels and tyres for off road friendly plus the usual other gear. Makes a prado look like good value by comparison...

Orangejuicepony · 29-06-2015, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by paulb351

I'm looking at a titanium also but have to add bullbar, snorkel, long range fuel tank, swap out 20" inch wheels and tyres for off road friendly plus the usual other gear. Makes a prado look like good value by comparison...

Exactly, and Toyota are rubbing their hands together, especially when Ford are advertising their products for free when making comparisons. Fords marketing department is still the worst in the country.

The truck looks good, the rear is a bit feminine for me but we will see what the mods and bar work does for it.

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Orangejuicepony · 29-06-2015, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I still see the Everest as more a (much better) competitor to Challenger, MUX and Colorado7. But there is no doubt the Everest looks WAY better than the Prado!

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The rear end look way better on the Prado. And when covered in bar work they look very nice.

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SumoDog68 · 16-07-2015, 08:21 PM

Competition is heating up :
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/6...yota-4x4-range

Brazen · 16-07-2015, 08:29 PM

Still can't get over how much on paper the Everest looks like a rip off

paulb351 · 16-07-2015, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Competition is heating up :
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/6...yota-4x4-range

Looks like a similar strategy that Toyota used with Kluger hitting Territory sales with price & packaging matching with marketing push that Terri was never really able to overcome.

paulb351 · 16-07-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Still can't get over how much on paper the Everest looks like a rip off

Guess it depends on your view of Everest as a Ranger base therefore Hilux/Fortuner positioning or as a Prado competitor...

We will see when the product becomes available for us to purchase and we see the sales outcomes.

Bossxr8 · 16-07-2015, 09:29 PM

I know for a fact they have positioned the Everest to take on Prado. They even based the price off what a Prado is, and then factored in how much more to charge for the extra equipment the Everest has compared to Prado, by assuming how much a customer was willing to pay to get that extra tech.

Fortuner, Challenger, MUX etc are in a whole different segment in Fords eyes, not competitors. Even though it might seem that way and customers may cross shop.

Will be interesting to see what Toyota charges for Fortuner.

Vesper Martini · 17-07-2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Competition is heating up :
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/6...yota-4x4-range

Whilst I like the idea of Fortuner for the price, It mast have an impact on Toyotas own Prado sales.
But the article mentions its up against the Mitsi challenger, this is a much smaller 4WD than say a Mitsi Pajero.

So that could mean the Fortuner is smaller too, so a different category than Everest

grey_esp · 17-07-2015, 10:51 AM

These look good, i reckon they will sell at least 10 of these to ever one Everest. Ford has to seriously reassess their price point.

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Competition is heating up :
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/6...yota-4x4-range

Vesper Martini · 17-07-2015, 01:39 PM

From what I've read Fortuner is no Prado/Everest.
smaller engine less comforts etc

As for sales you may be correct. perhaps there should be a more basic Everest at a lower price point, just to stop people moaning about the price if anything else

But Rangers not the cheapest 'Truck' either and it does ok

ivorya · 17-07-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

From what I've read Fortuner is no Prado/Everest.
smaller engine less comforts etc

Just on the engine, correct me if i'm wrong here, but we should see this 2.8L engine in the Prado in the coming updates.

Orangejuicepony · 17-07-2015, 06:46 PM

Prado gets the same 2.8 with the same tune and same transmission as of next month. Not external changes but a few internal spec bumps, GXL gets sat Nav standard etc.

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Orangejuicepony · 17-07-2015, 06:50 PM

Ford have built a ute wagon competitor to the Prado which has no ute DNS in it at all. Prado is wider, has long range tanks, room under the bonnet for dual battery, and a nicer interior style and layout.

The Fortuna is in the same bracket for size and pricing as the others, the Everest is a ute wagon at Prado pricing. Tough sell because no one will pay pay Toyota money for a Ford. Because you don't get the Toyota resale.

150 Prados are worth $40k after five years! Everest? More like half.

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Dr Smith · 17-07-2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Orangejuicepony

Ford have built a ute wagon competitor to the Prado which has no ute DNS in it at all. Prado is wider, has long range tanks, room under the bonnet for dual battery, and a nicer interior style and layout.

The Fortuna is in the same bracket for size and pricing as the others, the Everest is a ute wagon at Prado pricing. Tough sell because no one will pay pay Toyota money for a Ford. Because you don't get the Toyota resale.

150 Prados are worth $40k after five years! Everest? More like half.

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WOW, Everest has a resale history already....

Bossxr8 · 17-07-2015, 07:14 PM

What would you expect from mister Toyota is god

The Prado is such a heap of junk to drive, steers and handles like a boat. The Ranger out drives it with a leaf sprung rear end. The Everest should be even better going to coils.

But yeah, it does have good resale. But until the Everest actually goes on sale its hard to do a comparo in that area.

Brazen · 17-07-2015, 07:29 PM

Interesting that the Fortuner base can only come in Auto, but the high spec versions come standard in manual. Usually other way round.

Kind of surprised to see Everest doesn't come in manual. Maybe wouldn't be a popular variant? Approx 20% of GX and GXL Prados are manual

Sprintey · 17-07-2015, 07:44 PM

Ford builds Everest battleship to slug it out with Toyota's Prado battleship then Toyota sneaks in with Fortuner submarine and torpedoes Everest

naddis01 · 17-07-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Orangejuicepony

The Fortuna is in the same bracket for size and pricing as the others, the Everest is a ute wagon at Prado pricing. Tough sell because no one will pay pay Toyota money for a Ford. Because you don't get the Toyota resale.

I'm not defending the pricing of the Everest as I feel it is too high but have you seen the resale on a PX Ranger? It would be as good or better than Hilux.

Tbm1121 · 18-07-2015, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Interesting that the Fortuner base can only come in Auto, but the high spec versions come standard in manual. Usually other way round.

Kind of surprised to see Everest doesn't come in manual. Maybe wouldn't be a popular variant? Approx 20% of GX and GXL Prados are manual

Yet, they have them,just not yet in Australia's model lineup. Test the waters first, if the demand is high, add more options.

Dr Smith · 18-07-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Ford builds Everest battleship to slug it out with Toyota's Prado battleship then Toyota sneaks in with Fortuner submarine and torpedoes Everest

So Fortuner will only hurt Everest sales?

vztrt · 20-07-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

So Fortuner will only hurt Everest sales?

Gotta love some of thinking here.

grey_esp · 20-07-2015, 10:56 AM

If ranger is fords Hilux competitor than surely the ute based wagon 'Everest' nearest equal would be the ute based Fortuner, the sales team can spit what ever BS the like to try and justify their price but its not Apples with Apples. I understand the Everest has a lot of smarts in it but toyota will add it all to their product too. I like the everest and I think toyotas are over rated but the Everest is just over priced.

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

From what I've read Fortuner is no Prado/Everest.
smaller engine less comforts etc

As for sales you may be correct. perhaps there should be a more basic Everest at a lower price point, just to stop people moaning about the price if anything else

But Rangers not the cheapest 'Truck' either and it does ok

dead_man00124 · 20-07-2015, 11:17 AM

i think a lot of the pricing issues people are having is also to do with what they are paying for almost the same thing oversea's so feel like we are again ripped off.

ivorya · 20-07-2015, 09:22 PM

Off Topic.

I wonder what ford will bring here to close the gap between Kuga and Everest? If anything,

Edge?? Explorer??

dead_man00124 · 20-07-2015, 09:29 PM

We are getting edge iirc

vztrt · 21-07-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ivorya

Off Topic.

I wonder what ford will bring here to close the gap between Kuga and Everest? If anything,

Edge?? Explorer??

The rumour is Edge but nothing confirmed by Ford yet.

http://www.ford.com/crossovers/edge/?gnav=header-suvs

paulb351 · 28-07-2015, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dead_man00124

i think a lot of the pricing issues people are having is also to do with what they are paying for almost the same thing oversea's so feel like we are again ripped off.

Doesn't help that there is a four model lineup with the top model called titanium plus and markets get different model mix. Eg NZ gets a two model mix, other markets different combinations

Philippines has a titanium at list P1,899,000 which translates to Aud$57,130. No adjustments for customs duty, Lct and gst and may not compare directly as the Philippines model titanium may be the lower spec rather than titanium plus which our model titanium looks to be. Sales will tell the story on the price it against Prado in Aus marketing plan and the success in getting punters to part with the cash and buy into that marketing line...