First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle

[MercuryT]

Mitchay I agree with you morally etc.

His crimes simply don't carry anything like the sentences for the truck driver under the Criminal Code.

A Judge can't just forget the law and jail him because Pusey is a massive tool.

A suspended jail sentence and massive fines likely imo.

Crashing into and killing 4 valued State Servants due to Meth etc is far, far worse even if media took the other angle for attention.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Mitchay I agree with you morally etc.

His crimes simply don't carry anything like the sentences for the truck driver under the Criminal Code.

A Judge can't just forget the law and jail him because Pusey is a massive tool.

A suspended jail sentence and massive fines likely imo.

Crashing into and killing 4 valued State Servants due to Meth etc is far, far worse even if media took the other angle for attention.

I understand what you're saying and I agree. But what the truck driver did or did not do is a separate issue. If he is guilty then so be but at least he is remorseful for his part it seems.

Being immoral is not a crime and like I said this is a technicality. He ****ed off from the scene and in the process has done horrible things that are disgusting but no crime.

I'm not saying he should be held for that. If he crashed his car and then did that he did he would be done as fried chicken but since he was already pulled over that is the grey area.

The bloke was already on bail driving like a ******** and in and of itself should be enough to hold him is what I was saying.

All I'm saying is I think it is fair he has been refused bail based on what has happened and what is publicly available. The courts will ultimately decide.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I understand what you're saying and I agree. But what the truck driver did or did not do is a separate issue. If he is guilty then so be but at least he is remorseful for his part it seems.

Being immoral is not a crime and like I said this is a technicality. He ****ed off from the scene and in the process has done horrible things that are disgusting but no crime.

I'm not saying he should be held for that. If he crashed his car and then did that he did he would be done as fried chicken but since he was already pulled over that is the grey area.

The bloke was already on bail driving like a ******** and in and of itself should be enough to hold him is what I was saying.

All I'm saying is I think it is fair he has been refused bail based on what has happened and what is publicly available. The courts will ultimately decide.

Mitchay you are mixing two together.

I'm sure most hate Porsche driving, multiple offence D'Head. Complete idiot, I used to deal with them.

That legally though doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the other (far more serious) crime of drugs and manslaughter.

I know where you are coming from.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Like I said earlier it will be a technicality. To be clear even if he seems to be a true **** **** if he has committed no crime than he should not be held unreasonably.

But he was already on bail when he allegedly committed these driving offences at the very least.

Apparently the bail application was denied because of public safety concerns and given what has happened and what is publicly known that would seem appropriate.

All the times they let people out on bail and they go on to do other terrible things and people complain about it.

Sorry this is not the time to back this bloke in about be picked on unfairly in my opinion. Even without the accident the bloke seems a good candidate to keep away from being out in public,

I totally get what you’re saying but I genuinely don’t think that anyone here is really backing him. I’m certainly not, that’s why I tend to discuss points of law.
There’s a lot of people watching this very closely as it’s one of these cases where a legal precedent could be set. Thankfully, the magistrate, Johanna Metcalf has her head screwed on and is well aware of what the prosecution is up to. Her comments yesterday surprised me and in reality, I was relieved.

There’s many people, myself included, on this forum who have a pretty good idea of how the police operate, as well as the odd member as well and it’s easy to see what the police are trying to achieve here.

As for the truck driver, I will reserve my comments regarding him until the trial is over.

Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/news/nationa...8d415e26bd6819

Connect Logistics suffer some consequences of the 'audit'.

While on the surface some may say 'wow, how dangerous is this company', realistically they are probably no worse than many other vehicles on the road. They just like to word things to make them sound like death traps (my opinion obviously).

The fatigue rules are one size fits all, and they don't always (if ever) make things actually safer. Breaches of the fatigue rules can be very petty.

Either way, its hardly enough to find them culpable for anything related to the incident.

As you say, I wouldn’t read too much into that. It’s basically grandstanding from the NSW HWP. They have a massive axe to grind and they will hound this company as hard, or if not harder than Lennons. Some of the things they’ve found are nothing more than nitpicking. If they found any “real” major defects, they would be front page news. Some of the things like unbalanced braking force on an axle, ffs, if anyone thinks that one axle on a tri working at 94% with the opposite working at 86% is a problem, they should stay home in case the sky falls on their head. I’d say that they’re more interested in log book duplicate pages and pay records. I suspect that they won’t find much wrong.

Just to note, photographs of the crashed truck at dusk show some of the top clearance lights out on the front R/H side on the van. Those FTE vans have an indentation in the fibreglass for them. Nothing major, but they’ll make an issue out of it.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Mitchay you are mixing two together.

I'm sure most hate Porsche driving, multiple offence D'Head. Complete idiot, I used to deal with them.

That legally though doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the other (far more serious) crime of drugs and manslaughter.

I know where you are coming from.

I've made my arguments clear so I won't bother arguing it anymore. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know it at all.

I like to think I'm a pretty objective person but on certain matters maybe not.

The pub test obviously has no basis in law and perhaps it shouldn't or it should depending on your view.

We will see how it plays out. But at least we can still have a respectful debate about it without tearing each other to shreds which is getting harder these days

[zilo]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Yeah ok, fair enough.

I've just noticed a huge difference in Vic compared to Tas. VicPol seem to be very intimidating just imo.

If other States worse then it's a worry, but not my place to say right or wrong etc.

Lived in Vic most of my life, now in Tassie.
Your instincts are correct...In Victoria it's all about revenue, traffic operations group are police that...well..are good for traffic...thats about it...and about as far as you can get without completing High school...
They are forever having to meet quotas to justify their jobs.
How would you feel spending all day ebry day in a Commodore...like a taxi driver? It would pizz off almost anyone.

but Tassie...no mass speed camera program...just cameras set with a forgiving margin in very obvious places....no stupid camouflaged vans at the bottom of hills.

Little known tourist friendly fact...interstate drivers usually given a warning if never detected before...including by actual police.

mate and I were running a bit late for the ferry cuppla years ago...130 in a 100 zone....out he came and pulled us over in the fully marked Subaru.

We explained we were late for the ferry...he said he wouldnt take long.
Came back and wrote "warning" on the ticket and asked us very nicely to please slow down as there had been a fatality there recently and was the reason he was patrolling the area.

wow...coming from Vic that really was something.

Later that night my mate played guitar on the boat and the harley angels or whatever were lining up beers for him..he had a big win he said to the gang.

one of them said "Phhtt..i was doing 160 and he let me off with a warning"


But we all slowed down...and that was the thing..we had our ONE warning as they recorded D/L numbers.

A year later I had 4 glasses of wine which usually puts me just under...but the wine was 18% i hadnt thought of that...so I had the redlight come up on the breathalyser.

He asked me if wouldn't mind sitting on the side for 45 minutes until my blood alcohol level went down bit?

Sheet yeah i said.....I have never done that again...never.

The point is that is genuine law enforcement not revenue raising.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by zilo

Lived in Vic most of my life, now in Tassie.
Your instincts are correct...In Victoria it's all about revenue, traffic operations group are police that...well..are good for traffic...thats about it...and about as far as you can get without completing High school...
They are forever having to meet quotas to justify their jobs.
How would you feel spending all day ebry day in a Commodore...like a taxi driver? It would pizz off almost anyone.

but Tassie...no mass speed camera program...just cameras set with a forgiving margin in very obvious places....no stupid camouflaged vans at the bottom of hills.

Little known tourist friendly fact...interstate drivers usually given a warning if never detected before...including by actual police.

mate and I were running a bit late for the ferry cuppla years ago...130 in a 100 zone....out he came and pulled us over in the fully marked Subaru.

We explained we were late for the ferry...he said he wouldnt take long.
Came back and wrote "warning" on the ticket and asked us very nicely to please slow down as there had been a fatality there recently and was the reason he was patrolling the area.

wow...coming from Vic that really was something.

Later that night my mate played guitar on the boat and the harley angels or whatever were lining up beers for him..he had a big win he said to the gang.

one of them said "Phhtt..i was doing 160 and he let me off with a warning"


But we all slowed down...and that was the thing..we had our ONE warning as they recorded D/L numbers.

A year later I had 4 glasses of wine which usually puts me just under...but the wine was 18% i hadnt thought of that...so I had the redlight come up on the breathalyser.

He asked me if wouldn't mind sitting on the side for 45 minutes until my blood alcohol level went down bit?

Sheet yeah i said.....I have never done that again...never.

The point is that is genuine law enforcement not revenue raising.

dont pay the ferry man

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Misogynist means a person who dislikes or is prejudice against women, in other words a woman hater.
Cheers.


PS: is roKWiz a woman?

Yes, sometimes ??

[Romulus]

Agreed Full Noise, I've seen how the Police and Prosecution work in Court. Let's just say perjury is difficult to prove when the 'law' is providing testimony.

It's good to know Metcalf can see through the shenanigans Prosecution is attempting. Pusey will spend more time in remand than a custodial sentence will bring. Community sentiment will be ignored, the Magistrate will operate within the confined of the law, not public opinion. And that's a good thing.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Agreed Full Noise, I've seen how the Police and Prosecution work in Court. Let's just say perjury is difficult to prove when the 'law' is providing testimony.

It's good to know Metcalf can see through the shenanigans Prosecution is attempting. Pusey will spend more time in remand than a custodial sentence will bring. Community sentiment will be ignored, the Magistrate will operate within the confined of the law, not public opinion. And that's a good thing.

If he lives that long.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

If he lives that long.

He's in protective custody so he may last longer than expected...

[russellw]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

If he lives that long.

A couple of questions for you:

You don't happen to be from the deep South of the USA by any chance?
Do you wear a white sheet with holes cut in it for 'special' occasions?
Have you been magically teleported from the 19th Century?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by russellw

A couple of questions for you:

You don't happen to be from the deep South of the USA by any chance?
Do you wear a white sheet with holes cut in it for 'special' occasions?
Have you been magically teleported from the 19th Century?

Ya'll have a nice day now.

Seriously Russell, I was referring to him being his own worst enemy.
The way he's going he will kill himself in a high speed car accident or through drugs, when he walks.

[MercuryT]

Helping d'heads like Pusey are the exact reason I gave it away after just 1 year.

Morally I couldn't do the job properly (my Boss picked up on it) so very happy in Property even if on less money!!!

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Helping d'heads like Pusey are the exact reason I gave it away after just 1 year.

Morally I couldn't do the job properly (my Boss picked up on it) so very happy in Property even if on less money!!!

I'm not sure which profession has a worse reputation!

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I'm not sure which profession has a worse reputation!

No not real estate mate.

I'm still law but help people in conflict (State Govt) - much more enjoyable and rewarding.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Helping d'heads like Pusey are the exact reason I gave it away after just 1 year.

Morally I couldn't do the job properly (my Boss picked up on it) so very happy in Property even if on less money!!!

Good on you. Great to hear some stick to ethics rather than the all mighty dollar.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Good on you. Great to hear some stick to ethics rather than the all mighty dollar.

Thanks mate.

My job now is helping parties can't agree to reach a property resolution that is satisfactory - that both are comfortable with, so it doesn't get messy in Court and more unnecessary $$.

I really enjoy it as (in most instances) the issue is not that difficult legally - it's the personal aspect, which means they argue and carry on about irrelevant nonsense etc etc.

When a 3rd Party sits them down and says "right, X needs to be resolved and I'll facilitate that. Let's sit down and talk it through as respectful adults" - it's amazing how different people are in person with others involved compared to emails etc

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I'm not sure which profession has a worse reputation!

No Win No Fee solicitors would be first place and daylight second would be my guess.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Thanks mate.

My job now is helping parties can't agree to reach a property resolution that is satisfactory - that both are comfortable with, so it doesn't get messy in Court and more unnecessary $$.

I really enjoy it as (in most instances) the issue is not that difficult legally - it's the personal aspect, which means they argue and carry on about irrelevant nonsense etc etc.

When a 3rd Party sits them down and says "right, X needs to be resolved and I'll facilitate that. Let's sit down and talk it through as respectful adults" - it's amazing how different people are in person with others involved compared to emails etc

Maybe the moderators should heed this advice.

Tone if often misconstrued depending on ones opinion or frame of mind.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Maybe the moderators should heed this advice.

Tone if often misconstrued depending on ones opinion or frame of mind.

If you have a problem with any moderators on this Forum then there are other avenues to deal with this.

I am a very reasonable person but I lose patience very quickly with some who think that they can have a go at people that help run this forum in their own time for no monetary advantage in any way so that people like yourself can keep posting your opinions.

Any further posts having a go at moderators will be deleted.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by PG2

If you have a problem with any moderators on this Forum then there are other avenues to deal with this.

I am a very reasonable person but I lose patience very quickly with some who think that they can have a go at people that help run this forum in their own time for no monetary advantage in any way so that people like yourself can keep posting your opinions.

Any further posts having a go at moderators will be deleted.

PM sent.

[MercuryT]

Let's move forward.

Pusey walk imo. Huge fines etc.

Truck Driver 4 times manslaughter by car.

Drugs involved.

I think life. If not 30 minimum.

But I'm not sentencing expert as sentencing a seperate area that Judges rely upon.

[Franco Cozzo]

Makes you wonder how a character like Pusey became a nurse? Was he always the Pusey we've experienced recently or did something happen and he took a turn for worse?

[PG2]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Makes you wonder how a character like Pusey became a nurse? Was he always the Pusey we've experienced recently or did something happen and he took a turn for worse?

If he was a 'front line' nurse such as working in the emergency department he would have seen a lot of funky stuff. That stuff sooner or later will affect you I would assume.

[Trendseeker]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Makes you wonder how a character like Pusey became a nurse? Was he always the Pusey we've experienced recently or did something happen and he took a turn for worse?

I was surprised to read that he was once a registered nurse and wondered how he could morph from that caring role to his recent sociopathic behaviour. But then I remembered a story about an ambulance paramedic who married a wealthy woman and was convicted of murdering her after only 6 months of marriage. I guess while some people have a calling to go into those careers, to others it’s just a job.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-...-murder/831336

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

Let's move forward.

Pusey walk imo. Huge fines etc.

Truck Driver 4 times manslaughter by car.

Drugs involved.

I think life. If not 30 minimum.

But I'm not sentencing expert as sentencing a seperate area that Judges rely upon.

IMO Pusey is now getting his just deserts for being an a** h*** and a bit more for his anti social behavior and as for the truck driver well he will be dealt accordingly to law and get help for his mental issues.
Cheers

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by PG2

If he was a 'front line' nurse such as working in the emergency department he would have seen a lot of funky stuff. That stuff sooner or later will affect you I would assume.

Not really as you would tend to walk away from it, personally I think Pusey is just a selfish low life person who thinks the world owes him.

[jaydee]

Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration. Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding.
I think thats him.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

IMO Pusey is now getting his just deserts for being an a** h*** and a bit more for his anti social behavior and as for the truck driver well he will be dealt accordingly to law and get help for his mental issues.
Cheers

^^^^^

And this is the exact reason why the Magistrate will apply law, not public sentiment, when it comes to sentencing Pusey. He'll spend more time in remand than a custodial sentence will earn. And that's a poor indictment on the legal process.