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02-11-2024, 08:30 AM | #451 | |||
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Don’t expect these things to be around in 20 years time with over 500k on the clock like the low stressed 100 series Land Cruiser or 5L Hilux. What isn’t opinion NVH is through the roof on these when they’re blowing their **** out trying to pull up a hill with a load behind them. That is fact and it makes for a very average driving experience. Fortunately they have a stereo which can drown out the engine noise. |
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02-11-2024, 08:47 AM | #452 | ||
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More opinions. There is no facts in there at all.
What about an AMG 4.0L v8? 550+kw. 900nm torque? I don't hear too many negative comments about that yet the bore and stroke sizes are very similar. Compared to older technologies it's a lot of power and torque from a much smaller capacity engine. Where is the evidence that says a particular engine is stressed? It seems conjecture to me due to not conforming to preset views.
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02-11-2024, 09:17 AM | #453 | |||
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Compared to say a 100 series, the bi turbo is pushing the same power and more torque through two fewer cylinders and 2.2 litres. High combustion pressure and power output spread across four smaller cylinders. Why does Cummins offer 6.7, 9, 15 litre engines… why don’t they just hike up the 9 litre to do the job of the 15 litre? It’s a fact. Four cylinders not used for performance are average at best. The diesels used in utes are awful and scraping the bottom of the barrel. If you think they are good you need to sample some more vehicles. What is the longevity of that Mercedes grenade verses a Barra or Toyota JZ/Nissan RB… |
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02-11-2024, 10:10 AM | #454 | |||
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or it’s equivalents in overseas markets, I believe the US is even tougher on NOX emissions for diesel vehicles that fall under CAFE (under 8,500 lb GCWR). Ford tried the smaller 2.0 Ecoblue diesel in Ranger Everest but it was crystal clear that most buyers already paying a premium for a Ranger/Everest would go a step further and pay extra for the smoothness of a V6 diesel that was a descendant of the Terry’s 2.7 V6. ^^^^^^This was Ford’s best move, converting most previous 2.0 buyers to the V6 An outstanding success that the other Thai special brands simply cannot currently match… Without starting an argument, the situation with Cummins larger truck diesels is different in that those larger diesels are used mostly in heavy tonnage hauling or towing where the size of the air pump (engine) determines the level of power and torque under constant load. So if an owner of a Ute is going to do a lot of heavy towing, then those small diesels will probably be found wanting as will the vehicle, maybe a larger Ute is required for that. So yeah, the new Landcruiser 3.0 turbo having issues is not a good start but then, Toyota probably asked for this problem by not trying to transition buyers earlier, it clearly sold as many V8 Landcruisers as possible ahead of the 300’s release….. Last edited by jpd80; 02-11-2024 at 10:18 AM. |
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02-11-2024, 10:29 AM | #455 | |||
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Funny you mention the barra though. Ford used to have 4.1L engines with about 80kw... The same capacity then ended up with over 300kw and a mountain of torque, yet still claimed to be durable and reliable. How is it measured?
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02-11-2024, 10:58 AM | #456 | |||
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It took the best part of 30yrs and many revisions to free up its potential and make it a reliable 300kw+ torque monster. It was always a lazy truck engine. The Ecoblue is highly technical in design to begin with and at 157kw is closing in on its peak from the get go. To meet euro6 and achieve its NVH levels it uses wet belt technology which owners are experiencing engine failures due to delamination despite scheduled servicing and well before recommended scheduled replacement. |
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02-11-2024, 10:59 AM | #457 | |||
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Not sure it's great for carrying passengers as the family bus though. Isuzu DMax is peak fleet queen, Toyota was good in the 2005-2015 era with their older 3L diesel engine but that 2.8L one is a bit of a turd |
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02-11-2024, 11:10 AM | #458 | |||
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I'd have a new Everest, but they dont offer one under 55k unfortunately which is the top end of the budget. In September Isuzu were offering the 1.9l LS-M MUX RWD @$47Kda which got my interest initially. At that price the alternatives are GWM Tank 300 petrol or LDV D90... Last edited by BENT_8; 02-11-2024 at 11:19 AM. |
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02-11-2024, 11:30 AM | #459 | |||
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There is another version with 175kw so 157kw isn't maxxed out. Is 175kw the peak? It's pure speculation. As for the claims of engine failure due to wet belt technology, how is that related to engine capacity and apparently being over stressed? I'm not familiar with any failures myself and have only heard it being an issue with transit. I'm not suggesting a smaller engine is better than a bigger one but simply being smaller doesn't mean it is unreliable or not durable. Happy to be proven otherwise with facts, other than just anecdotes.
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02-11-2024, 11:43 AM | #460 | |||
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As I said, why don’t Cummins crank up the 9 litre to give it the same specs as the 15… what do you think is going to have a longer lifespan? |
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02-11-2024, 11:54 AM | #461 | |||
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02-11-2024, 12:02 PM | #462 | |||
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Rather than push it further they offer a 3.0l V6 @184kw/600nm, a mere 9kw more for 50% increase in capacity and 2 extra cylinders. The 2.0l is maxed. It was a better engine than the 3.2l but only in the absence of what PX3 should have come with, the V6. |
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02-11-2024, 12:04 PM | #463 | |||
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Either way, it’s a dog of an engine with poor NVH along with all the other four cylinders. I have some second hand embarrassment for the buyers of the previous Gen Raptors who forked out ~$85k to have these things power them. |
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02-11-2024, 12:12 PM | #464 | ||||
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Again, it's speculation and doesn't answer the question. No one is asking whether one engine is better than another. Simply, why is the small engine considered unreliable and not durable? Who can know if it will be capable of high km? It hasn't been around long enough yet but there plenty of high km examples around. Whether or not a bigger engine is available is irrelevant. Buyer preference is irrelevant. That's a completely different topic.
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02-11-2024, 12:15 PM | #465 | |||
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The 1KD in my Prado couldnt compete with the bi turbo for refinement and grunt but theres plenty of examples still going strong with north of 350k on them. |
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02-11-2024, 12:35 PM | #466 | |||
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Infact most high k examples of Ranger are 3.2l from the PX2 era onwards. Can you provide evidence of plenty of 2.0l's with over 250k ks on them as thats what is generally considered high milage. |
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02-11-2024, 12:40 PM | #467 | |||
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This discussion has gone far enough as it's not really on topic.
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02-11-2024, 12:54 PM | #468 | |||
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While the 157 Kw version happily drinks our regular diesel with 46 centane. Tuners hate them because it already runs 25 psi boost standard. Ford has done such a great job with it. |
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02-11-2024, 02:07 PM | #469 | ||
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Sort of curious about 2.3 Ecoboost vs 2.0 Biturbo for fuel efficiency and longevity in Ranger, obviously diesel is going to beat out the unleaded job in all situations because diesel is more efficient.
I'm coming up on 250,000 in 1.6L Ecoboost, it's tired though but I'll keep it until it flogs out. |
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02-11-2024, 02:29 PM | #470 | ||
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Son in laws 2l Bi turbo Raptor “failed to proceed” back in January at just over 80,000ks.. 90% hwy use. Serviced by the book, and always by original selling Ford dealer..
Interestingly, when it arrived at service dept and while it was still on the flatbed, the service manager simply said “new engine required, it’ll be 3-4 weeks and here’s the keys to your loaner”… Apparently a pretty common occurrence.. He’s now just unloaded it and bought a SWB Lariat
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02-11-2024, 02:40 PM | #471 | |||
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Fact is the 1KD needs about $7k spent on it every 200k kms to keep it reliable.
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Very entertaining this thread.
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02-11-2024, 07:11 PM | #475 | |||
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Cheaper to replace than rebuild. Ford wont admit it, its taken them a decade to finally come to the party on EGR failures that kill the 3.2l. |
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Here you go.... Check out these cars: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/res...&sort=Odometer
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02-11-2024, 07:40 PM | #478 | ||
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I’ve got a 2014 3.2 Ranger with 225000 that I’ve had since new with 225000 kms. A split intercooler hose and a new battery is all I’ve spent money on outside regular servicing every 10000kms. I reckon she’ll do that again no worries, still sounds and drives like it did the day I picked it up.
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02-11-2024, 07:47 PM | #479 | |||
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And thought they had a chain, not wet belt?
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Not genuine injectors obviously.
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