FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread - Page 16

P6LTD351 · 05-06-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I'm just hoping Ford give the 2014 Falcon everything it was intended to get, and not start decontenting it to save cash for the shutdown.

This.

bigwil · 05-06-2013, 08:35 PM

I was really hoping to see a sneek peak of the 2014 Falcon.

Buntz · 06-06-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boss290

I'm hoping we do in fact get a 2014 Falcon. And that Ford don't decide to pull the plug early.

That is also a big concern. Ford would have to hand back that money. However I think Ford will commit to this at least, ending years of history in 2016.

Eaturbo · 07-06-2013, 03:29 PM

Dont worry guys the Commodore will end up like the Falcon. I spoke with an old work mate who sells Holdens today. He said in 2000 he would sell 15 Commodores a month with the dealership doing up to 50 a month and now the whole dealership would be luck to sell 15 Commodores a month. The other thing is that VF was only a facelift not a whole new car and more like the AU to BA, now when the next commodore is due there will be no Falcon and even less commodore buyers and they have to develop a whole new car. At best the Commodore might be a global car heavily based on a GM America platform. If the dealerships have anything to do with it they want more products that are relevant on todays roads.

Te5063 · 07-06-2013, 03:58 PM

They need to bring back the GT HO name for the last falcon

Oxa384 · 07-06-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Te5063

They need to bring back the GT HO name for the last falcon

turbodewd · 07-06-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

... The other thing is that VF was only a facelift not a whole new car ....

I think its a new car.

It has aluminium panels and has shed weight. It has an electric park brake. Revamped interior with all the bells n whistles. Lots of new things in it.

ryeman · 07-06-2013, 04:43 PM

I think the floor pan is the same, but a lot of updates for sure

Eaturbo · 07-06-2013, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

I think its a new car.

It has aluminium panels and has shed weight. It has an electric park brake. Revamped interior with all the bells n whistles. Lots of new things in it.

Same floor pan, Same roof and same doors, same engines and transmissions. This car is only a face lift even though it is a substantial one. It is the same as the facelift ford did from AU to BA.

Nikked · 07-06-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by turbodewd

I think its a new car.

It has an electric park brake. i

malazn mafia · 07-06-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Same floor pan, Same roof and same doors, same engines and transmissions. This car is only a face lift even though it is a substantial one. It is the same as the facelift ford did from AU to BA.

The BA has less in common with AU than VF with VE. BA had fuel tank moved, floor pan changed, engines converted from sohc to dohc, whole new range of V8s, nearly 30kw power increase, new windscreen, new rear window, new roof panel, new seat rails, new dash frame, new seats, new windscreen washer bottle, new coolant header tank, new fuse box, new ECU, new HVAC, new fly by wire throttle, new brake pedals,new stereo. If you strip down both cars, practically nothing fits apart from doors. Impressive work by Ford, but they could have saved some money by leaving some unnecessary bits unchanged. If only Ford made new doors there would be no link with AU.

FPV GTHO · 08-06-2013, 01:32 AM

In automotive terms its an MCE - Mid Cycle Enhancement.

Just like SZ Territory, BA Falcon, VY Commodore etc. Next years Falcon will be the same.

If Ford had done new doors for BA, that would've been an extra $300m based on the widely assumed assumption its about $50m a door - 4 SWB doors plus 2 LWB rear doors.

ryeman · 08-06-2013, 07:59 AM

And with the FG they maximised the return by not wasting money on doors either.

**Fordman1** · 08-06-2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

And with the FG they maximised the return by not wasting money on doors either.

What ?

The doors are all new and sit under the roof line and don't wrap over the top.

The feature lines are completely different too

ryeman · 08-06-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

What ?

The doors are all new and sit under the roof line and don't wrap over the top.

The feature lines are completely different too

In the sense of style over engineering ....nobody would know fm a casual look...it was always about improvement in safety.
That's why it's my first EVER Falcon,...never had a Comode either.
In the past both used to put too much emphasis on change for change sake instead of dealing with inadequacies

No.6 · 08-06-2013, 09:08 AM

If the 2014 falcon looks anything like this, i may not get the audi a4 afterall!

Found it on a facebook page called fans of falcon

bigwil · 08-06-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by No.6

If the 2014 falcon looks anything like this, i may not get the audi a4 afterall!

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Found it on a facebook page called fans of falcon

Yep its on the cover of the latest issue of Motor magazine which I got yesterday, haven't had a chance to read it yet.

chookaradley · 08-06-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by No.6

If the 2014 falcon looks anything like this, i may not get the audi a4 afterall!

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Found it on a facebook page called fans of falcon

OMG that looks good!

SS_01 · 08-06-2013, 11:45 AM

So people now like the Taurus??? Cause thats what the image is with a bonnet bulge and a GT rear spoiler.

XtRmn8 · 08-06-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_01

So people now like the Taurus??? Cause thats what the image is with a bonnet bulge and a GT rear spoiler.

+1

**Fordman1** · 08-06-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XtRmn8

+1

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Lazy journalism - copy picture photoshop and sell magazines.

chookaradley · 08-06-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_01

So people now like the Taurus??? Cause thats what the image is with a bonnet bulge and a GT rear spoiler.

Ah... yup!

FPV GTHO · 08-06-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

In the sense of style over engineering ....nobody would know fm a casual look...it was always about improvement in safety.
That's why it's my first EVER Falcon,...never had a Comode either.
In the past both used to put too much emphasis on change for change sake instead of dealing with inadequacies

They surely would've spent the same money having identically styled doors with new frames or going revolutionary on the styling. The expensive bits are all in the framework and such so I don't get the point you're trying to make.

malazn mafia · 08-06-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

In automotive terms its an MCE - Mid Cycle Enhancement.

Just like SZ Territory, BA Falcon, VY Commodore etc. Next years Falcon will be the same.

If Ford had done new doors for BA, that would've been an extra $300m based on the widely assumed assumption its about $50m a door - 4 SWB doors plus 2 LWB rear doors.

Is it really 50 million to setup to manufacture a door? For any car, or just a car built in Australia? Shocking to see that a big Powerball win would only be enough money to manufacture 1 door for a Falcon ???

No.6 · 08-06-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_01

So people now like the Taurus??? Cause thats what the image is with a bonnet bulge and a GT rear spoiler.

I always thought the taurus and the taurus sho were nice looking cars.

FPV GTHO · 08-06-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Is it really 50 million to setup to manufacture a door? For any car, or just a car built in Australia? Shocking to see that a big Powerball win would only be enough money to manufacture 1 door for a Falcon ???

Well you don't just design them and order the dies to press the metal and program the robots to weld them.

Road_Warrior · 08-06-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Is it really 50 million to setup to manufacture a door? For any car, or just a car built in Australia? Shocking to see that a big Powerball win would only be enough money to manufacture 1 door for a Falcon ???

A man whose last name was Polites told me the same thing.

The cost is in all the engineering and design and of course ensuring a door passes muster for a variety of reasons - crash testing, torsional ridgidity, systems, longitudinal forces exerted on the door etc. Then of course you have the not insignificant issue that the passenger cell must be designed and engineered to perfectly fit the said door and accommodate the structural forces that will be subjected to the door. I imagine the $50 million per door price tag incorporates some aspects of engineering and design of the relevant opening in the car's passenger cell.