Ambitious China

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will be damaging in the short term, but in the long term we are better off ......

Its the 'push' we need to find other markets, hopefully before Aussies suffer.
Surely there is a long term plan to stop coal mining in Australia, sorry in advance to those that depend on this industry but I am sure you are not that surprised that large scale coal mining isnt going to be going on for too much longer. Just the quality **** we need for steel manufacture I guess

Its almost hypocritical to export is we are truly 'going green'. Maybe it then starts to force the coal burners to cleaner power generation ?

Hopefully the ham producers dont complain/suffer from all those cheap lobsters

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by wodahs

see to me , i dont think this will ctipple us , hurt us yes but not cripple
and i still dont understand why we keep trying to keep this one marker
or why these boats of coal have been sitting there for so long , would have thought finding another market for whats sitting and freeing up the ships may not have made as much proffit , but nor the losses incured by now
surely our stuff is just as marketable further around the world
or is there major reasons why we cant flow more with the markets
im also unsure as to what they are trying to achieve by hurting us other than their tit for tat bullying

I don't think we've much to worry about China, as they're a poor 3rd in buying our thermal coal...........

"Accounting for nearly half the value of Australia’s thermal coal exports in 2011, Japan was the stand-out buyer
(47.3 per cent), followed by the Republic of Korea (18.7 per cent) and China (12.7 per cent)"

https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/defaul...01-to-2011.pdf

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[Mr_G6ET]

It was called out as 'dont believe all you read' but I see that this 'artificial sun' thing isnt only China tech. Other countries are involved

Quote: 'China, five other countries and the European Union, are involved in the project'


Are they BS or reality ?


Here is the link

[MITCHAY]

Well now they are getting to the meat on the bone, the public are going to want a response and a plan from this government.

[burnz]

china is going for our fishing grounds a different way..
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...over-papua-new

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Its the 'push' we need to find other markets, hopefully before Aussies suffer.
Surely there is a long term plan to stop coal mining in Australia, sorry in advance to those that depend on this industry but I am sure you are not that surprised that large scale coal mining isnt going to be going on for too much longer. Just the quality **** we need for steel manufacture I guess

Its almost hypocritical to export is we are truly 'going green'. Maybe it then starts to force the coal burners to cleaner power generation ?

Hopefully the ham producers dont complain/suffer from all those cheap lobsters

Don't delude yourself coal will be exported far longer than you can ever imagine.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

China's aim is to make us and other nations submissive to them, in simple terms they want to influence and control us.

Originally Posted by wodahs

see to me , i dont think this will cripple us , hurt us yes but not cripple
and i still dont understand why we keep trying to keep this one marker
or why these boats of coal have been sitting there for so long , would have thought finding another market for whats sitting and freeing up the ships may not have made as much profit , but nor the losses incurred by now
surely our stuff is just as marketable further around the world
or is there major reasons why we cant flow more with the markets
im also unsure as to what they are trying to achieve by hurting us other than their tit for tat bullying

ill state again by hurting us im not understanding what they are trying to achieve other than their tit for tat bullying
i dont believe they will cripple us , so they wont be any coming in to pick up the pieces
and by hurting us it isnt going to influence us in to submission

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by wodahs

ill state again by hurting us im not understanding what they are trying to achieve other than their tit for tat bullying
i dont believe they will cripple us , so they wont be any coming in to pick up the pieces
and by hurting us it isnt going to influence us in to submission

Your understanding is different to my views, I see more than just as tit for tat as you put it.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

It was called out as 'dont believe all you read' but I see that this 'artificial sun' thing isnt only China tech. Other countries are involved
Quote: 'China, five other countries and the European Union, are involved in the project'
Are they BS or reality ?

35 countries, including the United States, Russia, China, Britain, Switzerland, India, Japan, South Korea, and the 27 members of the European Union, launched the ITER project

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...1204-0022.html

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Your understanding is different to my views, I see more than just as tit for tat as you put it.

your right i dont see your views of world domination through refusal to purchase our goods
thats like domination by playing hard to get
had a girlfriend like that once , played so hard to get i gave up the chase

so let me try to describe it this way
i cant see them achieving what you see via the method they are perusing
hence i dont understand what they really are trying to achieve by doing what they have done

[LG17]

I haven't followed the old steel plants but is it possible for us to get them going again and supply our own steel using our own ores?

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by LG17

I haven't followed the old steel plants but is it possible for us to get them going again and supply our own steel using our own ores?

export taxes on raw commodities to help encourage sales on australian exported refined products (eg steelor other)

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by LG17

I haven't followed the old steel plants but is it possible for us to get them going again and supply our own steel using our own ores?

I sure hope that it is at least something being considered but if it were commercially viable they'd already be doing it same as a lot of things.

Just as China would **** off our iron ore tomorrow if it were that easy.

How this spat plays out might change a few things but they are actually paying more for coal at the moment which is just to stick it to us so never rule anything out I reckon.

[Yellow_Festiva]

We learn more about how much China has 'invested' off shore every day.

Last week it was the vast amount of Aussie wineries they control.

Now I heard on the radio today that they have a major stake in the QANTAS baggage handler operations.

What will it be next week I wonder?

[lari1eye]

Thanks for the info about the Qantas baggages handlers.
Wow.
Swissport is one of the companies involved.
Swissport International Ltd. is an aviation services company providing airport ground and cargo handling services owned by Chinese company HNA Group.
Owner: HNA Group
Number of locations: 307 airports
Number of employees: Around 66,000
Headquarters: Opfikon, Switzerland
I wonder if Virgin Airlines has the same deal?
Last week, the Inland rail project granted a $650 million contract
to build a further 300 kms of railway to the Qld border.
One of the two companies involved was John Holland Constructions, which was bought by the Chinese in 2016.
John Holland website lists 99 construction projects in Eastern Australia....???

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by lari1eye

One of the two companies involved was John Holland Constructions, which was bought by the Chinese in 2016.
John Holland website lists 99 construction projects in Eastern Australia....???

Geeze. I didn't know this.......
And this company is directly employed by ARTC
(the pretend Fed Govco corporation) to maintain our railway lines, they have spent an unbelievable amout of time and money allegedly fixing the botched Sydney to Melbourne rail corridor since Feb, but so far have not started work for the inland rail project (Albury to Semour) due to start next year.

[Citroënbender]

Strategic? Nah, purely coincidental.

[Mr_G6ET]

Now they are much closer, bless them. Just 200 km to our north

[CyberWasp]

This will create a lot of incidents, as we all know, even if it is just for fishing they won’t stick to their area and will stray into Australian waters to fish.
You can imagine how they will react if their boats are intercepted in Australian waters.
It is almost worth sending Australian fishing boats into their waters and let them set the precedent on what happens when caught.

[MITCHAY]

It's will be a PLAN port dressed up as a fishing complex. The later is to effectively give the access to the CCP.

Assuming there ever is a legitmate fishing complex, I'm guessing it will go down something like this.

They will promise to hire all the locals and then bring in people from back home to train them and gradually they will push out the locals and import the rest.

I reckon PNG is gonna get a good old bait and switch, again assuming they get anything at all

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Now they are much closer, bless them. Just 200 km to our north

They're just being good neighbours and helping out the PNG fishing industry.
Just because there's no PNG fishing industry nearby is totally irrelevant.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by LG17

They're just being good neighbours and helping out the PNG fishing industry.
Just because there's no PNG fishing industry nearby is totally irrelevant.

More like they are going to be the neighbors, and I don't think there is anything sus in their purchase. : what else are they going to buy next door ?
I wonder if the Aust Gov knew about this being on the market (sale) and not purchasing to keep 'others' out of the area. Hows the information sharing with our closest neighbors ?

Surely worth the $200m

Australian Gov is of course ****ing lame in this area considering the sale of assets, CPP infiltration of key positions etc.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by LG17

They're just being good neighbours and helping out the PNG fishing industry.
Just because there's no PNG fishing industry nearby is totally irrelevant.

I wonder why the PNG Gov doesn't see the issue, like China globalization

[MITCHAY]

Yes Australia has dropped the ball when it comes to PNG and the rest of the Pacific. They are really not happy with our climate change policy as is a lot of the world.

When it comes to PNG specifically we give a ****load of money and rightly expect to know how that is going to be spent and what oversight there is.

It was only recently we broke with this policy and gave a concessional loan of nearly half a billion dollars for direct funding largely seen to curry favour.

Australia really has no choice here if we want to keep China at arms length because China is all to happy to spend up big.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

It's will be a PLAN port dressed up as a fishing complex........ access to the CCP.

I reckon PNG is gonna get a good old bait and switch, again assuming they get anything at all

Alarming considering reef to airport BS

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Yes Australia has dropped the ball when it comes to PNG and the rest of the Pacific. They are really not happy with our climate change policy as is a lot of the world.

When it comes to PNG specifically we give a ****load of money and rightly expect to know how that is going to be spent and what oversight there is.

It was only recently we broke with this policy and gave a concessional loan of nearly half a billion dollars for direct funding largely seen to curry favour.

Australia really has no choice here if we want to keep China at arms length because China is all to happy to spend up big.

narrow minded from our gov, good input. $200m is small but as you say we dont have deep pockets like they have.

Screwed we are ?

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

narrow minded from our gov, good input. $200m is small but as you say we dont have deep pockets like they have.

Screwed we are ?

We give half a billion a year to PNG in aid and are the biggest donor but that is usually distributed via aid programs where we have recently given funds directly to the PNG government where they can spend as they pretty much see fit to restructure their spending which is quite significant.

So the amount is not really an issue at the moment more that I reckon China are probably willing to dole it out more freely in a country that has corruption issues.

PNG are free to do what they want but they need to understand the risks and potential consequences of getting into bed with China.

[MITCHAY]

China is not happy about the soaring iron ore price and are trying to cut a deal while they are also paying more for lower quality coal due to their games

Why on earth would we even try to cut them a deal while these BS trade bans are going on?

What's funnier is they apparently renege on fixed contracts when spot prices fall so I say **** them

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

China is not happy about the soaring iron ore price and are trying to cut a deal while they are also paying more for lower quality coal due to their games

Why on earth would we even try to cut them a deal while these BS trade bans are going on?

What's funnier is they apparently renege on fixed contracts when spot prices fall so I say **** them

Good call, even big boys have soft spots
Seems like a moment when they complain about that now

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Good call, even big boys have soft spots
Seems like a moment when they complain about that now

The mining companies have the leverage here and would have no apetite to change the pricing model at the moment. Enjoy it while they can and there is potential to drive the price up further.

The downside is that assuming demand stays the same their steel exports price would go up but I don't know how exposed to that we are and if we have capacity to make more here.