HSV GTS LSA lettuce tomato & special sauce on a sesame seed bun

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by tex

check it

http://www.hsv.com.au/Gen-F/see/gts/?rid=build

The shape actually works ok in "regal peacock", even the rear end!

Rather unfortunate name that paint, but it looks pretty sweet.

That was fun ...... but something must be wrong with the site as mine kept finishing up as an Epica!

[Ghosn]

Originally Posted by sbutler

Plus a tuned 335, or F6 will still tramp the hsv. So don't hit the panic button just yet.

Don't know why people tend to make these kind of silly statements.

Firstly, you are comparing a modded car with a non modded car and as soon as you tune your 335, say goodbye to your factory warranty.

Secondly, if you want to compare them equally then compare a tuned 335 and a tuned GTS. Apples with apples.

Thirdly, before making blind statements about what a tuned 335 will do to a GTS, lets just wait and see what unfolds before getting too confident about who tramps who?

[jpd80]

There's only so much power you can put through 275s, the problem is that even though you can
make the contact patch bigger with 305s, the down force is then spread over a wider area.

I think we're fast approaching the need for AWD to balance the power being applied to the road.

( I'm talking about indifferent road surfaces, not sticky drag strips)

[No.6]

Well....i gotta admit...the amount of tech has me red with jealousy. I really hope fpv can top the gts...

[lethal66]

Originally Posted by Ghosn

Don't know why people tend to make these kind of silly statements.

Firstly, you are comparing a modded car with a non modded car and as soon as you tune your 335, say goodbye to your factory warranty.

Secondly, if you want to compare them equally then compare a tuned 335 and a tuned GTS. Apples with apples.

Thirdly, before making blind statements about what a tuned 335 will do to a GTS, lets just wait and see what unfolds before getting too confident about who tramps who?

Can't agree more there mate. But you forgot to add a couple of things. Having all that power you need to be able to stop when brakes applied and also handling. I know for a fact that mrc on my E3 is awesome so im guessing it will be better again. I can't wait to see it in the flesh then my E3 gts will be going.

[Charliewool]

E3 going... You buying a GT?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by tranquilized

The only way Holden got the budget to do such an extensive mid-cycle upgrade and put all these new tech features into the VF is because they must have put a solid business case forward to GM for exports to the USA. There is no way its been done for the Australian market only.

Ford on the other hand, dont have any export opportunities. I don't expect to see even a fraction of this tech in the next Falcon. Its only hope is that it should look loads better than the Commodore.

I read somewhere that Chevrolet paid for the interior to be re-done because the VE just wasn't up to their requirements for sale in the US. Hence the VF interior copped such a massive makeover which left more money for Holden to spend elsewhere. Integrating their electrical modules opened up a huge range of options to fit the GM electrical options too.

From what i've heard the 2014 Falcons interior won't be radically different, Ford will be lucky to even have a quarter of the money Holden spent on VF I think, but the exterior will be a huge change.

But in one area Holden must be absolutely s****ing themselves now that sales of Commodore have dropped massively over the last few years when they have just spent so much on it. If it doesn't massively increase sales they are up a creek without a paddle.

No matter how good it might be it won't solve the problem of people preferring to buy small cars, SUV's and dual cab utes. I think they are in trouble. Initial sales might be good for the first 4-6 months but after that just watch the slide continue IMO.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

But in one area Holden must be absolutely s****ing themselves now that sales of Commodore have dropped massively over the last few years when they have just spent so much on it. If it doesn't massively increase sales they are up a creek without a paddle.

No matter how good it might be it won't solve the problem of people preferring to buy small cars, SUV's and dual cab utes. I think they are in trouble. Initial sales might be good for the first 4-6 months but after that just watch the slide continue IMO.

GM has invested heaps in VF Commodore and got great value for money i must add
but while 2014 Falcon will no doubt have more modest achievements, I think Ford is finally
going to ace Holden on looks, that in my opinion is way more important than every last option..

A bold aggressive look to Falcon will go a long way towards the car re asserting itself with buyers.
To me the recent Falcons can be likened to the big awkward kid in the school photo pretending to be small.

[lethal66]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

E3 going... You buying a GT?

Are u kidding mate. Gen F gts. I love the look of them I love the power and I love the gadgets.i know of 5 orders already and that is just on 1 mine site . They are going to be popular.

[Brazen]

It's now the fastest selling model in HSVs history, I'm curious at how the build rate will be.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Brazen

It's now the fastest selling model in HSVs history, I'm curious at how the build rate will be.

How many have they sold ..... as opposed to sold to dealers?

[UberKnee]

Its amazing how well tacky can sell. Not having a go at Holden in particular, but just the HSV's have gotten more and more tacky and ridiculous looking with more speed holes, random blacked out spots, etc. Subtle and/or the old principle of KISS doesnt seem to matter much at all anymore.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Ghosn

Don't know why people tend to make these kind of silly statements.

Firstly, you are comparing a modded car with a non modded car and as soon as you tune your 335, say goodbye to your factory warranty.

Secondly, if you want to compare them equally then compare a tuned 335 and a tuned GTS. Apples with apples.

Thirdly, before making blind statements about what a tuned 335 will do to a GTS, lets just wait and see what unfolds before getting too confident about who tramps who?

Why...that's been any holden lovers statement for years...

"chuck a cam in the R8 and it will smash your F6"

or

"Take it to walkinghome and put a supercharger on it"

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by lethal66

Are u kidding mate. Gen F gts. I love the look of them I love the power and I love the gadgets.i know of 5 orders already and that is just on 1 mine site . They are going to be popular.

Better put your order in then, before they sell out!

[PHawk]

Originally Posted by jimmixr

I think its because of vehicles such as the new GTS as to why ford is reluctant to release a HO...
There will be no guarantee that it would be on top of the pile and ford may not want to discredit the marque

I think its going to be an amazing piece of machinery... like it or not..

We can but hope!!

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Why...that's been any holden lovers statement for years...

"chuck a cam in the R8 and it will smash your F6"

or

"Take it to walkinghome and put a supercharger on it"

so bloody true!!

[UberKnee]

Does price enter into the unmodded v unmodded, modded v modded, unmodded v modded argument?

When you're talking $100k for a GTS compared to $70k for a GT or $50k for a GS, both of which give similar power to the GTS and equal if not surpass it after a tune.

For those prices the Ford and Holden are in different markets and can't really be compared.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Why...that's been any holden lovers statement for years...

"chuck a cam in the R8 and it will smash your F6"

or

"Take it to walkinghome and put a supercharger on it"

I think we can agree that it's always sounded silly when they have said it- and it sounds equally silly if we start falling back on the same flawed argument.

In outright pace the GT will still smoke the Clubsport and the GT-P will still smoke the R8. The GTS is irrelevant, last I checked FPV weren't charging $100k+ for a supercharged V8.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I think we can agree that it's always sounded silly when they have said it- and it sounds equally silly if we start falling back on the same flawed argument.

In outright pace the GT will still smoke the Clubsport and the GT-P will still smoke the R8. The GTS is irrelevant, last I checked FPV weren't charging $100k+ for a supercharged V8.

Great, ugly, sexy, fast, super, spunky, techy, tacky .... whatever anyone wants to believe, but in the end, at least some get it

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by lethal66

Are u kidding mate. Gen F gts. I love the look of them I love the power and I love the gadgets.i know of 5 orders already and that is just on 1 mine site . They are going to be popular.

but you might drive it and be disappointed with the power?? remembering that HSVs and SS seem too lose a lot of power via driveline and the 430kw at the fly wheel might only be 340rwkw?? HSVs and V8 SS are proof of this. just have too look on youtube for proof of this. that's why I don't see what the big deal is about it for less money you could get a F6 or GT tuned and would have more power or if you could buy an E2 play with it a little and get more power and it would still work out cheaper. if you want power there are cheaper ways of doing it then buying a new GTS

[grandpa_spec_F6]

I think ill just kick back and enjoy what my kids will probably never get to experience in their lifetime.... two very iconic aussie built cars / platforms duking it out where HPand v8's are king.

lets all just agree that in this day and age we are spoilt rotten for choice when it comes these locally made monstors

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_F6

I think ill just kick back and enjoy what my kids will probably never get to experience in their lifetime.... two very iconic aussie built cars / platforms duking it out where HPand v8's are king.

lets all just agree that in this day and age we are spoilt rotten for choice when it comes these locally made monstors

we actually are quiet lucky too witness this. I hope it never ends but I reckon it will eventually. maybe not 2016 but it will end. either the manufactures will go or the "fun police" will stop them

[sleek7]

Looks OK, great specs on in, the rear end will need some getting used to that's for sure. Almost like an ugly child that only a mother can love...
Although I definitely wouldn't knock one back if I won it or got one very cheap, if I had ~$100k to spend on a car I would be looking else where.

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by wildrider

but you might drive it and be disappointed with the power?? remembering that HSVs and SS seem too lose a lot of power via driveline and the 430kw at the fly wheel might only be 340rwkw?? HSVs and V8 SS are proof of this. just have too look on youtube for proof of this. that's why I don't see what the big deal is about it for less money you could get a F6 or GT tuned and would have more power or if you could buy an E2 play with it a little and get more power and it would still work out cheaper. if you want power there are cheaper ways of doing it then buying a new GTS

Fine if you are all about POWARRRR!

From what I am reading, those that are tempted or are giving respect are not swayed purely on maximum power and torque alone, but are swayed by that often used term 'total package' including all the different coolers, 9.9" diff, massive stoppers, suspension, etc - which as has also been mentioned many times, has not been tested, and there are no real world figures (yet) for a direct comparison to see if it delivers what it promises.

Until then, all anyone can go on is the spec sheet, which at this stage is quite impressive (bar price) if you do more than just traffic light drags or 1/4 miles - and even then it may still prove impressive at the drags or from green to the next red - or not, as it is yet to be seen if this will deliver the promised superior cornering, braking, and longevity of spirited driving - and as much as all those specs are mega, so is the price.

So yeah, it is possible they may not be as impressed with the power, but may be blown away with the handling, stopping, and ability to take sustained abuse - then also enjoy the gadgets when stuck in their daily commute.

Really is a matter of time - or some tests that deliver times - and then those into no more than power and straight lines can compare dyno figures and 1/4 mile times, and those that are in to spirited driving around a circuit or their favourite bit of black top can assess its suitability and possible superiority (or not).

Won't be long before we know if this horse suits our preferred course, whatever course that may be.

And despite the lettuce, tomato and special sauce - still not available in Country Pack

[BigKerp79]

I wouldn't write it off yet. That engine does really well in the chevs.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

Fine if you are all about POWARRRR!

From what I am reading, those that are tempted or are giving respect are not swayed purely on maximum power and torque alone, but are swayed by that often used term 'total package' including all the different coolers, 9.9" diff, massive stoppers, suspension, etc - which as has also been mentioned many times, has not been tested, and there are no real world figures (yet) for a direct comparison to see if it delivers what it promises.

Until then, all anyone can go on is the spec sheet, which at this stage is quite impressive (bar price) if you do more than just traffic light drags or 1/4 miles - and even then it may still prove impressive at the drags or from green to the next red - or not, as it is yet to be seen if this will deliver the promised superior cornering, braking, and longevity of spirited driving - and as much as all those specs are mega, so is the price.

So yeah, it is possible they may not be as impressed with the power, but may be blown away with the handling, stopping, and ability to take sustained abuse - then also enjoy the gadgets when stuck in their daily commute.

Really is a matter of time - or some tests that deliver times - and then those into no more than power and straight lines can compare dyno figures and 1/4 mile times, and those that are in to spirited driving around a circuit or their favourite bit of black top can assess its suitability and possible superiority (or not).

Won't be long before we know if this horse suits our preferred course, whatever course that may be.

And despite the lettuce, tomato and special sauce - still not available in Country Pack

I agree but it doesn't stop some of the holden fan brigade and media bragging about its POWARRRR! claims plus the fact that some people think that because it has 430kw that FPV has nothing over that. power isn't everything but when I read someone say they want to buy a new GTS because of its power you have too wonder and the fact they love the power of a car they haven't yet driven makes me laugh. I personally cant wait too see the comparisons and also against the European luxury 4 doors seeing HSV think there on par with them

http://www.caradvice.com.au/231042/h...5-rs6-e63-amg/

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by BigKerp79

I wouldn't write it off yet. That engine does really well in the chevs.

its not the engine i'm writing off its the known fact of power loss through the driveline i'm writing off

[BEN189]

Wow, what a car, probably best bang for your buck car of all time with everything you get with it. I've always said I wouldn't spend $80-$100k on a falcon or a commodore but looking at this GTS I may change my opinion. Will FPV respond? I highly doubt it.

[BigKerp79]

Originally Posted by BEN189

Wow, what a car, probably best bang for your buck car of all time with everything you get with it. I've always said I wouldn't spend $80-$100k on a falcon or a commodore but looking at this GTS I may change my opinion. Will FPV respond? I highly doubt it.

Yeah I reckon that ford may lose a few of the faithful to the enemy.

[burnz]

where is it written 100+K price tag?

yet I hear 88~95k plus on roads.