Covid 19 -

[Charliewool]

Is this proposed vaccine going to be available this year? Next year? The year after?
I think we’re a bloody long, long way out and maybe jumping the gun a little on whether or not it’s compulsory, the legalities and associated moral dilemmas it entails?
By the time it arrives (if?) We all could be “biters or walkers”?

[Fed]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Gawd NJNP, I think 2020 will be known as the year of acronyms!

I do a quick google on them.
NJNP relates to pokeman & transvestites.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Having said that I'm guessing that you've spent time in all the other states?

Only a wind up mate. Seems to have worked!

Tassie is my favourite (haven't been to WA or NT though) but we are all lucky to be in Australia regardless of where.

[russellw]

220 new cases for Australia and 12 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.876% although active cases drop to 8,297. NSW recorded 7 cases, WA recorded 4 and Queensland recorded 1 case with the balance in Victoria.

6 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.334% and active cases rise to 96.

The UK had 812 new cases and 16 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 12.892% although we know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines.

Just on 44k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,358 deaths sees CMR remain at 3.095% and active cases at 43.7% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 73M, Russia 33M, India 31M, Germany 10M, Bahrain 1M and Argentina 1M tests;
Colombia passes 0.5M cases;
North America passes 0.25M deaths;
Asia records a new daily high with 96,476 cases;

Albania (158), South Korea (297), Libya (489), Lebanon (589), Moldova 626, Ukraine (1,967), Colombia (13,056) and India (69,196) recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It’s OK Martinka, it will be a suppository.

I’m still unsettled by this inference that “a cure” (my summary of the way people are thinking) is just around the corner.

That may be a solution for some, but a potato in the exhaust pipe seems a lot worse than a jab in the arm.

[Bossxr8]

News reports today saying the Vic Government asked the ADF to use surveillance drones to spy on people not following covid rules. But the ADF knocked back their request.

Dan must have been so disappointed his police state didn't get them.



HOW MILITARY AIRCRAFT COULD HAVE SPIED ON LOCKED-DOWN
Police would have been sent to illegal gatherings spotted by unmanned military spy planes in a plan rejected by the Defence Force, just days before Daniel Andrews raised concerns with colleagues about troops hitting the streets.

[HIPO]

No one worried about Morrison discussing vaxing with Gates earlier this year ???

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Gawd NJNP, I think 2020 will be known as the year of acronyms!

Off topic, but acronyms are when the initials still make a word, like PIN (personal identification number).

Anything else is an initialism.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by prydey

Off topic, but acronyms are when the initials still make a word, like PIN (personal identification number).

Anything else is an initialism.

Not quite, I think as long as you can pronounce it in a wordlike manner it counts.

[Franco Cozzo]

You can see it's starting to take its toll on people from a mental health perspective, there's low morale about from the non customer facing staff at work and they're struggling with the isolation.

I guess because they have limited interaction and then they can't do anything post work either so they've got virtually zero contact with others aside from work colleagues and their families.

I'm fine, no big deal but I talk to circa 100 different people a day from everywhere.

Keen on a pub feed when it all comes back, I think the last time I went to the pub/restaurant was in Jan or Feb.

[Citroënbender]

I’m be noticed that malingering unhappiness, too, and not even in Victoria.

Re the pub feed, it might have to be a while yet but BVT is still in my sights…

[zilo]

Originally Posted by russellw

I've no issue with coercion or the application of sanctions against those who refuse to do something that (by the time it is available) will offer a measure of protection for not only them but for the entire community.

one word for you ...Thalidomide.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

I think its a basic human right to not be forced to put something in your body you don't want. Im not an anti vaxer but like a lot of others question the development time of these covid vaccines and will be waiting a bit before i or my family choose to have one.

Well said.

If I had to choose, compulsorily, to vaccinate I would need to choose between a multi national, profit driven, minimum time to market company like AstraZenaca or the Russian "Sputnik" vaccine....

I reckon I would prefer to risk an early adopter experience with the Russian vaccine.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by zilo

one word for you ...Thalidomide.

Or Vioxx. Merck & Co fabricated data and lied about the side effects of its drug. It's estimated to killed between 50,000-500,000 people from heart attacks. There's a treasure trove of data about how these pharmaceutical companies lie and fabricate evidence to rush products to the market only to have them recalled because they're killing people.

And the government wants us to believe a rushed to market RNA vaccine will be safe and effective with no short term or long term side effects. Without doing such studies. Unbelievable. You can't make this garbage up. No RNA vaccine to date has ever been successfully used on a large scale vaccination program.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by zilo

one word for you ...Thalidomide.

Not a vaccine, and was never made to save lives. Just something to suppress a natural behavior.

Polio, TB, small pox vaccines on the other hand.
All of which wouldn't have been eliminated from the western world if we had idiots running around claiming they shouldn't have to have the vaccine because it violates their personal freedoms.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Not a vaccine, and was never made to save lives. Just something to suppress a natural behavior.

Polio, TB, small pox vaccines on the other hand.
All of which wouldn't have been eliminated from the western world if we had idiots running around claiming they shouldn't have to have the vaccine because it violates their personal freedoms.

How long was spent developing those vaccines?


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[marty351]

https://youtu.be/ftm1hiXgYsA

Extreme...

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Not a vaccine, and was never made to save lives. Just something to suppress a natural behavior.

Polio, TB, small pox vaccines on the other hand.
All of which wouldn't have been eliminated from the western world if we had idiots running around claiming they shouldn't have to have the vaccine because it violates their personal freedoms.

Well said...seriously some people.

I think it goes without saying that you wouldnt inject a rushed vaccine developed in Russia or China without it having wide spread trials and studies...does that really need to be spelled out?

I cant see something decent being made within 12 months from here, but has there ever been such global focus?

Some good questions regarding prior duration for vaccines to be produced, but again effort an technology is very different these days and should be more efficient.

[Franco Cozzo]

First days of New Zealand lockdown were unlawful, High Court finds

Wellington: The New Zealand government exceeded its powers telling residents to stay at home in the first nine days of the coronavirus lockdown, the High Court has found.

Public announcements Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and others made between March 26 and April 3 were justified, but went beyond the actual lockdown order made by Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield forbidding congregating, except with social distancing and shutting non-essential businesses.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania...19-p55nap.html

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania...19-p55nap.html

So what's the consequence of this? Kicking Ardern out of office would be a good start.

There's a flood of legal challenged going to start against Victoria and WA for their lockdowns.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Romulus

So what's the consequence of this? Kicking Ardern out of office would be a good start.

There's a flood of legal challenged going to start against Victoria and WA for their lockdowns.

There won't be any consequences because they'll simply say they were acting on the advice they were provided.

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Not quite, I think as long as you can pronounce it in a wordlike manner it counts.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

You can see it's starting to take its toll on people from a mental health perspective, there's low morale about from the non customer facing staff at work and they're struggling with the isolation.

People need to HTFU. A few months of lockdown is not even beginning to aproach the six years of spending half your nights in an air-raid shelter and living with severe shortages that the WW2 generation had to live through. Not to mention that nearly half the British population lost a family member to the fighting and 30% of the country was under constant bombardment.

Originally Posted by zilo

one word for you ...Thalidomide.

Here's one back. Polio. How you can compare a 'supposed fix' for a bit of nausea with a life saving vaccination beggars belief. The amount of global scrutiny any vaccine that becomes generally available will get will make anything that has come before pale into insignificance.

The anit-vax morons are fond of trotting out Thalidomide and the other pharmaceuticals that have had negative side effects along with the tiny percentage of people who have adverse reactions to the vaccinations but the reality is that we would still be losing tens of thousands to polio, smallpox, diphtheria etc. without the compulsory programs of the 50's and 60's.

[russellw]

243 new cases for Australia and 13 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.910% although active cases took a big drop to 5,919. NSW recorded 5 cases and Queensland recorded 1 case with the balance in Victoria.

5 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.330% and active cases rise to 101.

The UK had 1,182 new cases and (supposedly) 6 deaths yesterday for a CMR of 12.847% although we know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines.

Just under 45k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,260 deaths sees CMR drop to 3.093% and active cases at 43.2% with the raw numbers falling slightly. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The UK completes 15M, India 32M and Sweden 1M tests;
Asia records a new daily high with 96,565 cases;

Lebanon (605), Ethiopia (1,778), Ukraine (2,134) and Argentina (8,225) recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by russellw

People need to HTFU. A few months of lockdown is not even beginning to aproach the six years of spending half your nights in an air-raid shelter and living with severe shortages that the WW2 generation had to live through. Not to mention that nearly half the British population lost a family member to the fighting and 30% of the country was under constant bombardment.

That's an interesting 'You kids have it easy! Back in my day' flex from someone who didn't live through those times

Here's a perspective from 89 year old Nonna, she lived through Italy during their rise of fascism, the heyday of Nazi Germany, German occupation of Italy and the resulting invasion and fighting from both the UK/Americans when they came through as a young girl to early teens by the end of hostilities, the oldest of all her siblings which she was responsible for feeding and keeping herself and her younger brothers alive.

While the British were hiding in their bomb shelter Nonna was scouring the battlefield for dead horses to cut up or killing and eating people's pets that escaped to feed her family, or stealing what she could from farms and begging for food from British and American soldiers while caught up between four countries fighting a war in her backyard.

Yet she's absolutely against all the lockdown restrictions and is concerned about it's effects on our youth from the perspective of employment and inability to go out and enjoy themselves - she accepts her own mortality, that she's at the end of her life and it's not fair that she's being used an as excuse by a government for draconian measures, no one asked her about her thoughts.

So yes while I'm sure the people who lived through WWII faced tougher challenges, I'm interested in their perspectives on having their freedoms curtailed by their own government and what they think having lived through a war fought against authoritarian governments that killed an estimated 50M-70M people.

Does anyone else here have relatives who lived through that WWII period and are still alive to tell their stories?

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by russellw

People need to HTFU. A few months of lockdown is not even beginning to aproach the six years of spending half your nights in an air-raid shelter and living with severe shortages that the WW2 generation had to live through. Not to mention that nearly half the British population lost a family member to the fighting and 30% of the country was under constant bombardment.

So because people went through shocking times during WW2 that people are now soft if they are struggling mentally with lockdown and isolation etc?

Especially as people have considerably different circumstances that can make the lockdown far harder than for others.

For mine that's a very unsympathetic opinion and strange comparison but you are entitled to it.

[Bossxr8]

Typical extreme comparison that gets thrown on people who don't want to do exactly what the government tells them to do. Talk about brain washed.

And no i'm not anti-vax. Just want to know it's 100% safe and effective before i'd even consider it. And the proof will be in the pudding over time, not just in clinical trials that can be manipulated.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's an interesting 'You kids have it easy! Back in my day' flex from someone who didn't live through those times

Here's a perspective from 89 year old Nonna, she lived through Italy during their rise of fascism, the heyday of Nazi Germany, German occupation of Italy and the resulting invasion and fighting from both the UK/Americans when they came through as a young girl to early teens by the end of hostilities, the oldest of all her siblings which she was responsible for feeding and keeping herself and her younger brothers alive.

While the British were hiding in their bomb shelter Nonna was scouring the battlefield for dead horses to cut up or killing and eating people's pets that escaped to feed her family, or stealing what she could from farms and begging for food from British and American soldiers while caught up between four countries fighting a war in her backyard.

Yet she's absolutely against all the lockdown restrictions and is concerned about it's effects on our youth from the perspective of employment and inability to go out and enjoy themselves - she accepts her own mortality, that she's at the end of her life and it's not fair that she's being used an as excuse by a government for draconian measures, no one asked her about her thoughts.

So yes while I'm sure the people who lived through WWII faced tougher challenges, I'm interested in their perspectives on having their freedoms curtailed by their own government and what they think having lived through a war fought against authoritarian governments that killed an estimated 50M-70M people.

Does anyone else here have relatives who lived through that WWII period and are still alive to tell their stories?

Jeff next door lived through the biltz of Birmingham and, later on as a teenager, dodged Stukas dropping bombs when he was in the Merchant Marine towards the end of the war. His attitude is that this isn't comparable to the hardships of WW2, but he is supportive of the current government measures.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Jeff next door lived through the biltz of Birmingham and, later on as a teenager, dodged Stukas dropping bombs when he was in the Merchant Marine towards the end of the war. His attitude is that this isn't comparable to the hardships of WW2, but he is supportive of the current government measures.

NSW current government measures or VIC ones because they're two completely different animals, we're acting like 7 different countries at the moment.

NSW has gyms, hospitality and sports, there's no limitations about how far you can exercise away from home and what you can leave your house for.

VIC has everyone's at home on unemployment benefits or you have work home work home work home work home.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's an interesting 'You kids have it easy! Back in my day' flex from someone who didn't live through those times

Here's a perspective from 89 year old Nonna, she lived through Italy during their rise of fascism, the heyday of Nazi Germany, German occupation of Italy and the resulting invasion and fighting from both the UK/Americans when they came through as a young girl to early teens by the end of hostilities, the oldest of all her siblings which she was responsible for feeding and keeping herself and her younger brothers alive.

While the British were hiding in their bomb shelter Nonna was scouring the battlefield for dead horses to cut up or killing and eating people's pets that escaped to feed her family, or stealing what she could from farms and begging for food from British and American soldiers while caught up between four countries fighting a war in her backyard.

Yet she's absolutely against all the lockdown restrictions and is concerned about it's effects on our youth from the perspective of employment and inability to go out and enjoy themselves - she accepts her own mortality, that she's at the end of her life and it's not fair that she's being used an as excuse by a government for draconian measures, no one asked her about her thoughts.

So yes while I'm sure the people who lived through WWII faced tougher challenges, I'm interested in their perspectives on having their freedoms curtailed by their own government and what they think having lived through a war fought against authoritarian governments that killed an estimated 50M-70M people.

Does anyone else here have relatives who lived through that WWII period and are still alive to tell their stories?

Yes. My father was born during an air raid on Bristol in 1941.
A bomb came through the ceiling, whilst my grandmother was giving birth, bomb didn't explode and here I am.


It took many walks with my grandfather to find out what what exactly happened that day, and needless to say, when you can see the eyes of a tail gunner of a doomed bomber opening fire and spraying **** everywhere,

[HIPO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwlkumcRf6w

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yet she's absolutely against all the lockdown restrictions and is concerned about it's effects on our youth from the perspective of employment and inability to go out and enjoy themselves - she accepts her own mortality, that she's at the end of her life and it's not fair that she's being used an as excuse by a government for draconian measures, no one asked her about her thoughts.

Your nanna is under the impression that the youth aren't at risk from this virus, but your nanna is wrong.

https://twitter.com/DipshikhaGhosh/s...43571197341697