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Mondeo TDCi / BA XR6T
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The Mondeo TDCi's quoted fuel figure is on the high side for a diesel sedan. But when you take into consideration the size of the vehicle, the auto transmission and its safety equipment, it is quite reasonable. Coming from an XR6T, it was a novelty to see the trip meter showing me 5.4l/100km and a DTE of over 1000 kms after a bit of a freeway run. Enjoy the XR5 scotty. I think the TDCi and XR5 are making up most of the sales at this stage.
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The Golf 2.0 TDI can do 4L/100km. As I'm certain the Focus TDCi can get close to also.
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Report back on a MondeoTDCi doing the Geelong>Melbourne daily run is 1000+kms per tank. |
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The thing about the Mondeo though compared to the Passat or whatever, is that it is a large car - and a Ford... I've had big boofy blokes who would not be seen dead in a VW ask me about my car simply because of the Ford badge (mine is usually the first one they have seen thanks to Fords delivery abilities - and Fords marketing means that usually they haven't heard of the Mondeo diesel.) It might not get 4 litres/100km or whatever those small euros get, but if it gets 6, or 7 or 8 then so what - those euro cars aren't its competition here in Australia. The people who will buy it are those who want the space it offers - equivalent to a Falcon - but with the Euro perks, and the fuel economy of at least a third less than the Falcon/Commodore/Borion alternatives.
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I did the run recently i na Mondeo XR5 Turbo Sydney to Melbourne Return and averaged 7.6L/100km on 95RON Premium. Included lots of roadwork and stops so not ideal (and I wasn't trying)
I'm doing it again at Easter in a Mondeo TDCi so I'll be able to compare.
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If it ends up outselling them then I'd say yes.
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Mate, thats not what I'm saying...... There is a market for a car the size of a Falcon or Commodore but with the fuel efficiency of a diesel - ie the TDCi Mondeo. Its not the fuel efficiency alone that will sell it to many people - its the fact that the Mondeo is a BIG CAR. Not a Golf size car - the fact that the Golf gets 2l/100km or whatever better fuel efficiency is irrelevant, its too small for many peoples needs. When I was choosing a car, a Golf/Passat or Peugeot size car was not anywhere on my list. Understand that to many people fuel efficiency is not the only thing that goes into the decision making when buying a car. The fact that the TDCi does so well economically is a nice bonus, but not the sole reason for buying it. |
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Ford Mondeo TDCi (sedan) 2.0litre DOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel 96kW @ 4000rpm 320Nm @ 1750-2240rpm Length: 4844mm Width: 1886mm Height: 1500mm Wheelbase: 2850mm Front Track: 1579mm Rear Track: 1595mm Weight: 1604kg Mazda 6 MZR-CD (hatch, no sedan variant, hatch or wagon) 2.0litre SOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel 105kW @ 3500rpm 360Nm @ 2000rpm Length: 4670mm Width: 1780mm Height: 1435mm Wheelbase: 2675mm Front Track: 1540mm Rear Track: 1540mm Weight: 1500kg Peugeot 407 HDi (sedan) 2.0litre DOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel 100kW @ 4000rpm 320Nm @ 2000rpm Length: 4676mm Width: 1711mm Height: 1455mm Wheelbase: 2725mm Front Track: 1554mm Rear Track: 1510mm Weight: 1732kg Volkswagen Passat 2.0 TDI (sedan) 2.0litre DOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel 103kW @ 4000rpm 320Nm @ 1750-2500rpm Length: 4765mm Width: 1820mm Height: 1472mm Wheelbase: 2709mm Front Track: 1552mm Rear Track: 1551mm Weight: 1587kg So we have a few cars that are roughly the same size. The Mondeo is the least powerful and second heaviest, and is the cheapest by $100 ($37,990 for it, $38,090 for the 6). How exactly is it something unique in the market that the others aren't? Its the thirstiest, has the dirtiest emissions (grams per kilometre of Carbon Dioxide - 193 Mondeo, 189 407, 178 Passat, 160 6 MZR-CD) and is close with the 6 for the least well equipped. If you look up interior dimensions, like headroom and legroom dimensions, they're all very close to each other, within 20mm (2cm) most of the time. I really like the Mondeo, but realistically the only things really going for it in this fight are that its the cheapest and that it has a very, very, very nice interior... Prices are... by the way, in order... Mondeo TDCi - $37,990 6 MZR-CD - $38,090 Passat 2.0 TDI 103kW - $42,490 407 HDi - $45,190 For $200 less then a HDi, you can get the Passat 2.0 TDI 125kW ($44,990) which in my opinion trumps this entire class... 125kW @ 4200rpm, 350Nm @ 1750-2500rpm and near identical economy to the 103kW version. From that last post of yours, the only vibe I got from it was you hinting at the Mondeo being big, and the rest being small? In actuality, they're all the same size car, they're all direct competitors. By the way, on a world market level, the Passat outsells the rest of these cars by miles. Slightly OT... Just did some reading on the Mondeo 2.2 TDCi... 155bhp (116kW), 265ftlbs (359Nm) and 58 mpg (4.05L/100km)! Yes please! ![]()
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But please don't blame us. We were fooled into the decision by those incompetent motoring writers from Wheels, drive,com.au, the NRMA, Which Car(UK) and a few others who all stupidly awarded the Mondeo Car of the Year in its category in their various car of the year selections last year - when its actually the worst car in its class... Oh Steffo, where were you back in November when I was looking for a car....? But as you say, at least my car has a really nice interior! |
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As far as buying a car to daily drive as a long termer, the Mondeo is difficult to fault. Anything in this class is difficult to fault, you can't really go wrong with any of them. And yeah... ![]() How can anyone not love that interior!
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You don't get a 6 speed auto in any of those other cars at that price, the Mazda 6 is more expensive and doesn't have the same equipment level.
To all you Mondeo owners on this thread you all bought the right car which I'm sure you all know. If I had to pick between the above, it would be a no brainer ![]() |
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Pick up our Panther Black Mondeo XR5 next Saturday
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Im picking up my XR5 mondeo on Monday ![]() Any chance you can post up how the lowering goes? I want to do mine asap, but have heard it MAY interfere with the stability control?... I myself cant really see how it would, as many other cars get lowered without a problem, but would like to get some feedback from an aussie. Anyway, enjoy your new car! |
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![]() (but just make sure the windows are up before you hit the window washers or else that nice interior gets amazingly wet and covered in foam! I've never had a car before like it for the way the water charges across the windscreen, straight into the windows and down the doors. If you haven't tried it yet, don't without a towel handy!) |
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Hold on, I thought this was a discussion between the TDCi and the XR5, since when did this become VWforums.com.au
So Steffo, some of the specs may be a little better than the mondeo. BUT, how does it drive? My Falcon had a bigger and more powerful engine, but it drove like crap. Specs are not everything you know and as Monkeyboy said, the Mondeo is winning awards left, right and centre. The car review guys say it handles better than some BMW's at twice the price. Did they say that about the Passat? Nope. Oh yeah, I reckon if I had a Passat, i wouldn't have had people coming up to me and asking me about my car. The Mondeo is hot and I wouldn't trade it for Passat ever. Even if it does have more power. Oh and plus, it's a Ford. Game over.
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I like my Fords, and I like the Mondeo, but I'm also realistic. You make a point of it being a Ford, which means in a few years it won't be worth anything, like everything with a Ford or Holden badge, regardless of country of origin... and that it will more likely then not lead a life twice as short as a Passat will. **PS - I really like the Mondeo and am in no way trying to bag it, merely pointing out what I believe to be the case as far as cars in this class go... that being, Passat #1, Mondeo #2, Mazda 6 #3, 407 #4 as an overall package (talking about the Diesels here, not the petrol or performance models)**
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Come back to us when you have a yearly average comparison... Maybe just keep that number to Europe... so you can compare apples with apples, as both nameplates have been around in the EU for the entire time. Or if its too much trouble... keep the passat out of the argument. Yes, it has sold lots, yes, it has more power, YES, it is a LOT more expensive, for a similar or lower speced vehicle, which according to many, doesnt handle as good. I havnt driven mondeo, so cant say... |
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Mondeo TDCi
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I recently started another thread thinking that a four car comparison did not fit on a TDCi vs TX5 thread but as the discussion is continuing on this thread thought I would repost here.
I have recently upgraded to a TDCi and that decision was made after test driving and comparing the following: Peugeot 407 Diesel Wagon Mazda 6 Classic Hatch (Petrol) VW Passat Diesel Wagon Mondeo TDCi hatch I have a particular need to carry large items which limited me to either a hatch or wagon meeting the critical dimensions. Summarising my experiences: Peugeot: Stylish car with very long bonnet, difficult to judge the extremities, cramped rear seat area, seemed to hesitate from standing start, too small to fit gear (length) VERY EXPENSIVE Mazda: Petrol version driven. great drive but now a little dated, Auto not available with diesel, too small to fit gear. No diesel available in about to be released new model. Passat: Great car with very good driving performance. Size OK. Too expensive as a family member has recently purchased the base model with premium paint and payed $7,500 more than I did for the TDCi with leather, sunroof, bluetooth and euro plates. Also waited 6 months for delivery. Mondeo: The best drive of the lot and really looks the goods, largest in almost all dimensions, best value for money by a long way. While it is a little less economical than the Passat that is not a deal breaker in my view. The fact that it has been in the top three in almost all "Car of the year" awards both here and overseas speaks volumes. My decision was easy ............. except for the colour
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The 1991-Present Opel Astra manages to be 24th at 7,000,000 cars. The 1993-Present Fiat Punto manages to be 27th at 6,000,000 cars. The 1991-Present Ford Explorer manages to be 31st at 5,500,000 cars. The 1998-2006 Peugeot 206 manages to be 34th at 5,400,000 cars in a single generation. The 1998-Present Ford Focus manages to be 36th at 5,000,000 cars. The 1996-Present Honda CR-V manages to be 63rd with 2,500,000 cars. The 1993-Present Renault Twingo manages to be 68th with 2,400,000 cars. The 1990-Present Nissan Primera manages to be 83rd with 1,302,401 cars. The 1995-2004 Volvo S40/V40 manages to be 91st with 1,000,034 cars in a single generation. The 2003-Present Mazda Axela (aka Mazda 3) manages to be 93rd with 1,000,000 cars. The 2002-Present Mazda 6 manages to be 94th with 1,000,000 cars. The 1991-Present Hyundai Elantra manages to be 96th with 1,000,000 cars. Somehow, I see no Mondeo on the list? By the way, the base model Passat TDI is better equipped then the base-spec Mondeo TDCi. Kind of expected for the $4500 premium, no?
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Some examples: Denmark, up to 12 months Serbia, 7 months min. UK, 4 months Belgium, 5 months (and that's where they are made!) |
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Ford actually have two production lines for the Mondeo, the Chinese Mondeo is made in China and services that market... there are some differences in production of the chinese Mondeo like led tail lights and a few other things....
http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...d/765115/tp/1/
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Hey, I'm not sinking the boot in or anything Steffo - hats off to you for coming onto a forum full of Mondeo owners and criticising it! But I just wanted to stick this up, its a review of the Passat you like so much. Yes, I know its by Jeremy Clarkson and cos its not a British car he bags it like anything, but its a funny read if nothing else! http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...icle549422.ece (hmm, memo to myself.. maybe I should first check his review of the Mondeo before Steffo finds it and waves it in my face.... ![]() |
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