Ford pulls out of Japan and Indonesia - Page 2

aussie muscle · 26-01-2016, 04:38 PM

I didn't think auto manufacturing would survive without protections and it didn't.

Of course, if there's another war in the pacific, we'll be ******, again.

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

These free trade agreements benefit almost no one and are the biggest rort going.

We basically threw our auto industry under the bus to save beef exporters. remember this next time farmers complain about drought or lack of drought assistance.

Eaturbo · 26-01-2016, 04:43 PM

Well if you look at it when we had high import tariffs on import cars we had huge support for Aussie cars. We are capable of building whatever shape and model car we need right here. As for people complaining about build quality, we'll build quality comes with higher volume and a bigger budget to develop the cars better. If we had maybe merged our tech and shared development cost with Ford US than we would probably had better built cars. I applaud the Japs and the Americans for putting themselves first. Why we ever wanted to make it easier for other countries to bring there products to Australia and not support our own manufacturing I will never understand. What happens when the rest of the world decides it wants to put the price of goods up and we have no choice but to buy.

BENT_8 · 26-01-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FormulaFG

Ford need Japan. Japan doesn't need Ford

Thats it in a nutshell!

SumoDog68 · 26-01-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

If you want to get technical our locally produced cars are manufactured by foreign owned companies - Japan has their own native car industry which is a big part of their economy and they tend to protect it.

Paull · 26-01-2016, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Huge market with poor conditions for imports means there is no money in it for Ford.

Japan sounds similar to Korea where I think around 93% of cars on the road are locally produced.

Would you believe that Toyota only has around a .5% of the market in Korea yet they are neighbours.

I bet they will pull out of Korea next and concentrate their efforts on other fast developing superpowers like India and China.

They might be neighbours, but the Koreans can't stand the Japanese. Plus they really do look after their own industries

danzvtil · 26-01-2016, 06:30 PM

Cant speak for Japan, but anyone been to Indonesia lately? Theres barely a car in fords global portfolio that would be suitable for that market, Mondeo, too big, kuga, too big, even focus is too large for Indonesia's roads. You can argue till you're blue in the face that fiesta is a great drivers car, but the indos roads are very crowded and speeds barely exceed 70kph.It is also too expensive.

XRtowcar · 26-01-2016, 06:42 PM

Obviously Ford failed those markets by not exporting the Falcon to them.
Japan would have loved an Xr6 turbo.
Blow the pants off those tinny GTR's.
And a ute in Indonesia would have been a success.

MethodX · 26-01-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

Grassby was born in QLD, and was Irish and Spanish heritage. Not Italian

And good on him for saying we should never forget out heritage.
Anglos preach all this multicultural bs, but when push comes to shove they stab you in the back at the drop of a hat.

MethodX · 26-01-2016, 07:15 PM

Ford could if possible increase its stake in Mazda again.

blakef6 · 26-01-2016, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Obviously Ford failed those markets by not exporting the Falcon to them.
Japan would have loved an Xr6 turbo.
Blow the pants off those tinny GTR's.
And a ute in Indonesia would have been a success.

They would prefer an xr6t over a GTR??? Sorry but an xr6t isn't on the same level as a GTR

Syndrome · 26-01-2016, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Could we be next ?? sales of Ford Euro's is dismal???? maybe the Ranger will keep Ford in Australia ??? nothing else will..unless Ford have a big change in marketing etc..

That I would want to see. No Falcon - no Ford!

Windsor220 · 26-01-2016, 07:39 PM

I dont think Ford will be pulling out of Aus anytime soon. They only sold 5000 cars in Japan in a year. They sell more than that a month here.

Yellow_Festiva · 26-01-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paull

They might be neighbours, but the Koreans can't stand the Japanese. Plus they really do look after their own industries

Believe me, I know..

Have gone to Korea almost every year for the past 10 years.

First time I went I thought it was so cute how they all make the peace sign (2 fingers in a V) in all their pics...

Till someone told me it represented V for Victory against the Japs

Trump · 26-01-2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Express

A market for RHD cars lost.

Indeed, and this action is the biggest indicator of what Ford will do with their remaining RHD market... Forget about Britain, they dominate there and their British operation stands on its own two feet quite well.

Yellow_Festiva · 26-01-2016, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Express

A market for RHD cars lost.

Don't fret... Malta is still RHD

Top_Ghia · 26-01-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Don't fret... Malta is still RHD

They're also busted **** broke. They won't be buying a matchbox car.

JAZSXY · 26-01-2016, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

What happens when the rest of the world decides it wants to put the price of goods up and we have no choice but to buy.

Exactly what is happening in China right now, hence what Trump has been on about and why American manufactoring is a giant slowly waking back up.

**kypez** · 27-01-2016, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Oh really?... Contrary to what you might believe, Australia had its own identity (intergrationist with no real immigration before 1948) before the introduction of Multiculturalism in the mid 1970's.

Multiculturalism is a relatively recent ideologically imposed phenomenon - introduced by an Italian migrant in the form of Al Grasby under the Whitlam Govt - who encouraged migrants to have more respect for their (older) country they left than ours. A bizzar policy of Cultural Chauvinism in reverse.

Any wonder why so many people do not respect australia - apart from what it can offer them. The corollary of which is buying foreign cars.

Multiculturalism started when Australia was initially colonised... Didnt turn out too well for the "Australians". Happened well before 1948.

And those that immigrated here (see the early settlers) and society currently still has the Queen as the head of state and our Flag has the Union Jack. If that isnt a hark back to the "old country", I dont know what is! So all Grasby was pointing out, when in Rome, hold on to your old country as the rest of the place obviously does... Dont tell someone to leave their culture behind when you haven't.

And this Australia day, I've seen enough cars with a "Australia - Love it or Leave" and the "Aussie Pride" stickers on imports all day! None of which were driven by multicultural Australia. Meanwhile, multicultural Australia was celebrating in a Aussie made cars... Go figure...

Sprintey · 27-01-2016, 01:06 AM

If we don't own the capital in our automakers, we don't get to decide on whether they stay. I propose we set up a special bank of the Commonwealth to secure domestic capital for...

....what, we did that in 1911? Where is it now? ...it's privatised now?! And borrows short duration on the international money markets to lend long duration into mainly Aussie real estate, wait... wtf?

nstg8a · 27-01-2016, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by XRtowcar

Obviously Ford failed those markets by not exporting the Falcon to them.
Japan would have loved an Xr6 turbo.
Blow the pants off those tinny GTR's.
And a ute in Indonesia would have been a success.

You've never been in a gtr have you?

blakef6 · 27-01-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

You've never been in a gtr have you?

Its a hard choice. A GTR one of the best production cars ever made, or a turbo taxi.. Yeah I will take the GTR thanks

malazn mafia · 27-01-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by blakef6

Its a hard choice. A GTR one of the best production cars ever made, or a turbo taxi.. Yeah I will take the GTR thanks

I want that GTR driveline in a taxi body. Don't fancy the 'race me' look all that much or the attention from mr plod.

stevefreestyle · 27-01-2016, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Grassby was born in QLD, and was Irish and Spanish heritage. Not Italian

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Hi Method, Thanks for correcting me on this - I usually (always) double check facts before posting. I was probably confused with his profound Italian (Mafia?) connection...and fierce advocacy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arch...-1111118782228

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According to former NSW assistant police commissioner Clive Small....Small said there was a longstanding connection between the Calabrian mafia and the Labor Party that went back to the 1960s and included the late federal MP Al Grassby.

Grassby was one of the most colourful and controversial figures in 1970s politics. He was immigration minister in the Whitlam government from 1972 to 1974 and was credited with introducing the policy of multiculturalism to Australia. But he has long been accused of having had links to the Calabrian mafia, which, it was claimed, funded his election campaigns.

After his death in 2005, former National Crime Authority investigator Bruce Provost revealed that Grassby had used political pressure to stop an investigation of his mafia links.

"People in the community should be concerned about the appropriateness of these relationships, which require thorough investigation and transparency," Mr Provost said.........

I will refrain from making further comment on this as it is not really relevant to the thread.

CyberWasp · 27-01-2016, 12:42 PM

One Ford Policy working at its best.

Adamz Ghia · 27-01-2016, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

I recall reading somewhere that Ford was looking at setting up a manufacturing plant in Indonesia. Things have obviously changed.

I predict they will pull out of Australia completely sometime in the future. The closure of the manufacturing plant is just stage one. Their sales here have been on a downward spiral for a long time now and I can't see things turning around considering the amount of competition in Australia. It won't happen overnight but it will happen.

Why will it happen?

**Fordman1** · 27-01-2016, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Why will it happen?

Nostradamus is a troll.

Look at his posting history.

bobthebilda · 27-01-2016, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

Yep, the Japanese are a homogeneous society (as opposed multi-cultural) and thus still have their own cultural & national identity, and they look after their own....

You could be on to something there. Until the Aboriginals started letting all those foreigners in (and probably your forebears), no cars were being imported into Australia.

Adamz Ghia · 27-01-2016, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Nostradamus is a troll.

Look at his posting history.

I know, I like calling him out on the crap he posts. Hopefully others will see he's an idiot and not follow his lead.

NX74205 · 27-01-2016, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Prior to 2013, if somebody stated that Ford would be ceasing manufacturing in Australia they would have been laughed at and called every name under the sun.

Only if you've been living under a rock.

The end of Falcon, and thus the closure of the Australian manufacturing plant, was always a matter of when, not if.

P6LTD351 · 27-01-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Prior to 2013, if somebody stated that Ford would be ceasing manufacturing in Australia they would have been laughed at and called every name under the sun.
Well surprise surprise, look what happened.
I will happily resurrect this thread if and when my predictions come true.

Rubbish. I have magazine articles from the mid 80s saying the same thing.