Falcon to disappear? - Page 2

**Falcon Coupe** · 17-03-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkIV

The BF, good as it is, will cop a flogging from the VE

The crystal ball is working overtime today.

Woz · 17-03-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Des

Type faster next time.... :nutsycuck

Hey, you're not the boss of me!

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Eithor · 17-03-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkIV

The BF, good as it is, will cop a flogging from the VE and

I think your a holden fan.. Prob when the VE comes out it will still be years behind still

UNR8D · 18-03-2006, 01:01 AM

copping a flogging from the VE? thats like saying mitsu's demard outweigh's its supply...

Aurion will add some competition but ford/holden rely on previous buyers to keep in the family so to speek.

**russellw** · 18-03-2006, 01:17 AM

Despite the nature of the speculation there are probably some elements of truth in it.

I'd be surprised to see the LWB range continue in the present guise and if they disappear then the wagon would go too - it ony survived this last time because of the Telstra fleet buys anyway.

The temptation to build a local small to mid sized car must be strong at the moment - they are the growing market segments where Ford is performing poorly (or not evin in contention).

The V8 will no doubt stay but I would be surprised to see anything that looks remotely like what we have now. Backwards to the future??

We will have some interesting times ahead.

Russ

048oss · 18-03-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by russellw

We will have some interesting times ahead.

Russ

Yes we do russelw, yes we do!

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The G6ET Spot · 18-03-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

So the Falcon will look like a lowered Territory with a boot?

I don't believe it, it would be the ugliest vehicle in the world.

No car manufacturer is that stupid, are they?

Oh yes they are that stupid and the other mob called it an

: avalanche.The name was appropriate cause the sales of it tumbled like an avalanche :hihi:

FPV · 18-03-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by russellw

The V8 will no doubt stay but I would be surprised to see anything that looks remotely like waht we have now. Backwards to the future??

We will have some interesting times ahead.

Russ

I dont know if im reading into this wrong but im guessing by the v8 statement that FPV are seriously looking at a pushrod engine? I guess it will be interesting.

new2ford · 18-03-2006, 10:20 AM

Try the nostradamus (hsv_gts_908) on this forum from 2004: http://forum.sportal.com.au/viewthread.aspx?t=29

Apparently by today Ford is on the way out the door and Territory is being thrashed by the Adventra and Chevy Equinox. And the Opel/Vauxhall Omega ... oops sorry, I mean the Holden Commodore ... is a great true blue Aussie car that's soon going to be better than the Falcon. Prophecy's a dodgy game at the best of times.

aquahead2001 · 18-03-2006, 12:15 PM

I think that with all the local cars constructors, there is a fair bit of angst about what the medium and long term future holds for them. I am still amazed that we, the Aussie car buying public, haven't converted to empty beer can cars like the USA has in the past 20 years.

Our fuel prices are about 40% higher than there's, we earn less and cars cost more, yet we still buy full sized cars! Don't get me wrong, I am in love with big Aussie cars, got three of 'em at home right now and really can't contemplate buying something smaller.

But the price of fuel has definitely made me reconsider buying the Territory Ghia that I desperately want!

Can you imagine what the guys and girls in the planning departments are thinking of at the moment? They’re already thinking past the next 5 years and are thinking what the hell are we going to do in 2011??

Bossxr8 · 18-03-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV

I dont know if im reading into this wrong but im guessing by the v8 statement that FPV are seriously looking at a pushrod engine? I guess it will be interesting.

Ford don't make pushrod V8's anymore, so how could FPV get them.

Deadman · 18-03-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkIV

The BF, good as it is, will cop a flogging from the VE and maybe the Camry/Aurion

lmao. Oh wait, is that another 'hypothetical' like your opening post or was that actually a serious statement?

I don't see BF sales getting damaged much by the VE - and I don't see the VE being far superior to the BF either. Time will tell. And the Aurion? Not bad, might steel some fleet sales maybe... If you like the look of a re-designed Toyota BA

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UNR8D · 18-03-2006, 06:56 PM

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I don't see BF sales getting damaged much by the VE - and I don't see the VE being far superior to the BF either. Time will tell. And the Aurion? Not bad, might steel some fleet sales maybe... If you like the look of a re-designed Toyota BA

obviously havent had a too much of a close look at the car then, 200 odd kw quad cam duel VVTI and a S/C version AWD to follow... i dare say if they market it correctly it might sell better than you think.

just remember how many cars toyota sell in aust. they have no 1 for the past 3 years with no sign of slowing, but they also have a excelent customer service base and that brings buyers back and brings in new ones that are ИИИИed off with service elsewhere.

Woz · 18-03-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Ford don't make pushrod V8's anymore, so how could FPV get them.

I believe the suggestion came from the comment of "working backwards for the future?". Meant to suggest that perhaps FPV may consider reverting back to pushrod V8's for future models.

Who cares who makes what these days, I think FPV will have the funds and connections to organise that sort of thing if they wanted to.

Poetic Justice · 18-03-2006, 07:08 PM

Wouldn't be all that bad to drop the v8 really, when we have such a great turbo 6 cylinder ;)

**russellw** · 18-03-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackout

Wouldn't be all that bad to drop the v8 really, when we have such a great turbo 6 cylinder ;)

Heresy.

Falcon Freak · 18-03-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackout

Wouldn't be all that bad to drop the v8 really, when we have such a great turbo 6 cylinder ;)

Some of us want a V8 even if the Turbo 6 is faster.

FF

Poetic Justice · 18-03-2006, 07:26 PM

Yes, but is that "some of us" enough to justify the possible loss that the v8 could incur?

vztrt · 18-03-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackout

Wouldn't be all that bad to drop the v8 really, when we have such a great turbo 6 cylinder ;)

If ford did drop it they would pay dearly for it. Some people just want a V8. Would they still be allowed in the V8 Supercars?(i know they use different V8's)

Jet-Star · 18-03-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

I don't believe it, it would be the ugliest vehicle in the world.

Exactly my thoughts..

Woz · 18-03-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackout

Wouldn't be all that bad to drop the v8 really, when we have such a great turbo 6 cylinder ;)

I'd have a V8 over a turbo 6 any day of the week. I don't care what it's in.

MO · 18-03-2006, 10:30 PM

Alright you lot enough speculation as to the future of the Falcon......I have the latest straight from the horses mouth and my source is honourable.

The next Falcon is going to be called "The Millenium Falcon" it will have a V8 photon drive there will also be an performance model it will have a V8 hyperphoton drive.

The base model will get to light speed in 2.5 parsecs...the performance model will get to light speed in........1.2parsecs.

My source...YODA.

ltd · 18-03-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

Try the nostradamus (hsv_gts_908) on this forum from 2004: http://forum.sportal.com.au/viewthread.aspx?t=29

Apparently by today Ford is on the way out the door and Territory is being thrashed by the Adventra and Chevy Equinox. And the Opel/Vauxhall Omega ... oops sorry, I mean the Holden Commodore ... is a great true blue Aussie car that's soon going to be better than the Falcon. Prophecy's a dodgy game at the best of times.

Mate, I liked that big al guy in that thread. Amazing how ignorant some people can be isn't it? Firstly this HSV guy is making stories up, then he starts to defend his own stupid beliefs with statements like "I don't know why, it just is".
Actually, I retract my statement about him being ignorant, I think he may just be intellectually disabled.

ltd · 18-03-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by John McMaster

Alright you lot enough speculation as to the future of the Falcon......I have the latest straight from the horses mouth and my source is honourable.

The next Falcon is going to be called "The Millenium Falcon" it will have a V8 photon drive there will also be an performance model it will have a V8 hyperphoton drive.

The base model will get to light speed in 2.5 parsecs...the performance model will get to light speed in........1.2parsecs.

My source...YODA.

As long as it isn't plagued by problems with the hyperdrive like the original I'll be happy.

Bossxr8 · 19-03-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Woz

I believe the suggestion came from the comment of "working backwards for the future?". Meant to suggest that perhaps FPV may consider reverting back to pushrod V8's for future models.

Who cares who makes what these days, I think FPV will have the funds and connections to organise that sort of thing if they wanted to.

Funding is a dirty word at Ford Australia at the moment.

Poetic Justice · 19-03-2006, 09:36 PM

Why is that though?

I thought they were doing awesome as opposed to previous years? (read; the au times)

Bossxr8 · 19-03-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackout

Why is that though?

I thought they were doing awesome as opposed to previous years? (read; the au times)

That was the case till about half way through last year when petrol prices went through the roof, and Ford US going into free fall has only added to the problem.

Poetic Justice · 19-03-2006, 09:58 PM

Fair point.

I think they need to rethink their strategies then. Whilst the Falcon should and hopefully will remain. They need to do something like borrow the Mazda 6 and re style it, badge it a TX5 and offer a medium sized cheaper car.

Hally · 19-03-2006, 10:20 PM

In all seriousness, it doesn't matter if we are Ford or Holden fans, our local car industry is in a whole loss of strife. There are a myriad if factors to this but a couple are:

Rising fuel prices - the biggest growing market sectors are small and medium sized cars. Neuther Ford or Holden manufacture this type of vehcile in Oz, and product development cycles the way they are means they have both missed the boat (Toyota is making the next Camry 4cyl only....)

Tarriffs - With import tarrifs falling to 5 percent very shortly, it is a free for all for all importers. Korea, Japan and Europe have substantial import tariffs for cars being imported to there countries, but Australia drops them to 'be fair'. I say stuff them and protect our local manufactures.

US Pensions - Both Ford and Holden are subsiduaries of US parents, Both these parent companies have enormous pension and ongoing employee benefit liabilites that are crippling balance sheets. This has a direct effect on Ford OZ and Holden because the US parents won't lend them the cash to develop new models.... they don't have any!!

Just some ramblings.....

Hally

b2tf · 19-03-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkIV

Futura, Fairmont and wagons will go.'

Doubtful. If anything I would say XT would get the chop before Futura.

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200kw six and ZF will be std. Manuals for XRs only. (US CVT being considered conditional on market acceptance by traditional Falcitory buyers)

Possible. Who knows.

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AWD will be optional on XR6 Turbo (260KW) and Fairmont Ghia (Turbo optional)

Believe this one when I see it and not a minute before. 99% BS
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Boss 260 will be only V8 used (XR8 will be distinguished from other V8s only by styling and suspension tune ala current NA XR6).

Unlikely. Not all V8 buyers buy them for performance.

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Non FPV V8 development on hold pending fuel prices - a Ford family diesel will be ready if necessary and V8s may be dropped from non FPV range.

Ha - what, you think Ford didnt learn last time they dropped the V8?

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EGas dev also pending LPG pricing - diesel may replace.

Never drop LPG. Wont happen.

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Fairlane and LTD sedans will be replaced by a LWB Territory version (the names may still be used). The super luxurious LWB T will have 20cm added behind the rear doors and have optional 6 seat layout with 4 "captains chairs" in the rear.

Watching a bit toomuch Star Trek perhaps?

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'TS' Territory dropped.

Makes sense- drop one of the best selling models

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Falcon ute (2WD) will be low-riding like sedan.

And therefore rule out 90% of rural and primary producer customers i.e. the main client base. Nice try.

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Territory ute (4WD) will be dual cab style (like US Explorer Sport Trac) .

Quite possible, and I for one would love to see it happen.