Illicit Drugs- Decriminalise and regulate or further enforcement?

[Citroënbender]

War on Donuts?

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Fev

World wide evidence overwhelming supports decriminalization of Cat 1 drugs and treatment of users. While pot should be legalized for recreational use 18 and over for the tax and that people will actually use less.

You have to back up both with strong support networks and no interference from the conservatives and bible thumpers. You can't just decriminalize it and leave it as a free for all for the dealers, it doesn't work and never has worked. You need to cut them out and make it more attractive and easier for users to go the legal route.

Look to the Dutch do they have a problem like us with drugs.

I am a Conservative and a Bible thumper.
To be a conservative means that one does not experiment with nonsense.
Bible wise has foundations that are solid, problem is that some don't understand that the Law is under Grace with true Christianity and not just only the letter of the Law as it was 2000 years ago, stuck in the mud like and unwilling to think beyond the letter in ignorance. we have a problem Houston ? so lets try work something out that will actual work in the long run.
It's like back in the 1970's their were only X amount of people and cars on the road, but now the rules have had to change because you can't have everyone driving about ****ed like once was common to see and thought nothing of it really because in 15 km you may only drive by 3 cars on the road home where I lived but now it's could be 1000.
So we can not just stick our head in the sand and hope that things will get better with a program that clearly does not work, not to mention kids that are way out of control now because they lack direction, so they are lost and bingo one ends up dead because morons are making the drugs.

[JC]

Originally Posted by M&Ms

Considering Drugs, Alcohol and Gambling are (IMO) the roots of most evil in this country (Domestic Violence, Aggravated Violence, Thefts, Suicide, Road Trauma, etc), a responsible government should be doing all that is necessary to control these elements. Zero tolerance IMO to illicit drugs would be a good start.

Darwin Award for anyone who takes these drugs knowing it could be the last thing they take.

[pottery beige]

is this like where every kidlet with add got shaker pills.....

single mums flogging pills off and buying meff with profits??

[73 4V XB]

I saw on the news last night about the drugs being sold at music events. Then heard they wanna set up all this testing crap... who’s paying for it? Govco? Why am I paying for testing on a illegal substance that some degenerate chooses to “experiment” with. They get the (what ever joy) there is while I’m paying for them to stay safe and secure in their precious little cocoon.
I put drug testing up there with pool fence laws. You can’t have a pot plant next to a pool fence inside but it’s ok to have your light weight seats 2 feet outside the fence.
At what point will common sense prevail in this worsening world we have created?

[hayseed]

It's no Different to the Injecting Room in Kings Cross.
it's illegal to Smoke (legal) Cigarettes in a Government Building,YET, You can go to a Government Funded Building to Inject Illegal Drugs..

Go figure...

[five 7]

Originally Posted by hayseed

It's no Different to the Injecting Room in Kings Cross.
it's illegal to Smoke (legal) Cigarettes in a Government Building,YET, You can go to a Government Funded Building to Inject Illegal Drugs..

Go figure...

Thats because the lunatics are running the Asylum, same as over here. (NZ)

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by five 7

Thats because the lunatics are running the Asylum, same as over here. (NZ)

The problem has got way out of control and it's only going to get much worse.
The drugs that are out their now fry their brains, they have holes in their brain as large as golf balls where the drug has just eaten it out, the amount of fools that are taking this rubbish like crack etc will be such a big problem that the hospital system will not be able to cope, let alone the dole supporting all the morons.

[TEZG]

Interesting to hear the names people are calling those that can’t handle their drugs, none in the family? Don’t forget alcohol is a drug. If the answer is no, you’re lucky.

Mummy’s little helpers are a major health issue, have been for years, as mentioned earlier, legalised drug addiction right there.

“Social” use of pot should not be illegal. If that happened would anyone here start smoking it again? I doubt it, I wouldn’t.

It’s not just young people that use party drugs. There was a gig in Sydney recently, those attending were in their 40’s and 50’s, cops busted a heap of them for possession.

The rehab options for young people in Sydney are appalling, there’s hardly anything and if you don’t have private health insurance even less. The options for adults has been declining for years, a poor situation indeed.

We can all have our opinions, evidence as previously mentioned is the bottom line however I don’t think this country would support the evidence based approach which brings better outcomes, why? Because most people like having “low life’s” in the community, it makes them better about themselves.

[simon varley]

prohibition has never worked. didn't with booze in the 20s and isn't now. Legalise, control and tax.

but if you commit crimes under the influence you get the book thrown at you - same as with alcohol

and while we are at it, if you make yourself sick - no public healthcare. I suggest we extend this to alcohol, opiates, and tobacco too.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by simon varley

prohibition has never worked. didn't with booze in the 20s and isn't now. Legalise, control and tax.

but if you commit crimes under the influence you get the book thrown at you - same as with alcohol

and while we are at it, if you make yourself sick - no public healthcare. I suggest we extend this to alcohol, opiates, and tobacco too.

Don't forget fat people with poor diets... may as well make it fair.

[TEZG]

Drug testing drivers.
Tests can return positive when it’s been days or longer since there has been any drug use, no intoxication at all. Bad luck, you’re done.

That just ain’t right.

[Crazy Dazz]

Unfortunately there is altogether too much absolute crap sprouted about drugs, and the simple fact is that nobody in authority actually cares enough to do enough.
Politicians like to throw around terms like "the war on drugs". What BS.
I'd LOVE to watch the USA launch an actual war on drugs. Can you imagine it, B52s carpet bombing drug plantations, smart-bombs taking out the factories, Abrams rumbling through their Haciendas, and Rangers slaughtering the Cartels where they stand.
But rhetoric aside, the problem is that governments are not prepared to tackle the demand-side of the equation, which is the cause of the whole problem. They like to pretend that the problem is the evil "Mr Bigs", but it just isn't. Granted the drug trade can be a nasty business, and some have risen to the top by murdering anyone who gets in their way, but at the end of the day they are simply supplying the demand. If you cut down supply, all you do is make it what's left even more profitable.

But no, we just keep making excuses for the people using the drugs, and basically turning a blind eye. We resort to stupid measures, like testing sewage, so they can proclaim the drug usage then sit around wringing their hands. Nobody is prepared to take any unpopular measures.

And the really sad and terrible thing is the reason why.
Same reason why prisons are full of drugs. Because they make the inmates easier to control, and if they die, who cares.
On the left, you have those chasing the votes and preferences of the neo-hippies, who think Dope cures cancer and that any attempt to curtail drug use is "fascist".
Whilst on the right, they just don't give a ****. A dead drug-addict is just one less junkie.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by simon varley

prohibition has never worked. didn't with booze in the 20s and isn't now.

Oh FFS.
And here I was thinking we might get through without somebody sprouting that gibberish.

Every law we have is based on prohibition. Murder, speeding, minimum wage, methanol in our beer, you name it.
Yes, people still break the law, that doesn't mean we legalise everything.

What's more, we should never give up on something just because it appears too hard. Either the law is right, or its not. If the law is wrong, it should be changed, regardless of how easy it is to enforce. If the law is right, but hard to enforce, then we just need to try harder.

[Franco Cozzo]

Makes me wonder if it was decriminalised, regulated and heavily taxed if the Melbourne Gangland war would have even occured - it's a huge untapped market which is why it attracts these types to it, the money is unbelievable.

Hanging about the seedy parts of Melbourne that they don't advertise in the tourism brochure, I've come across people from all walks of life - one particular interesting event I've witnessed was a group buying $2600 worth of cocaine from a 17 year old kid. I thought I was doing real well getting $175 for a 10 hour day at work on the weekend when I was 17 a decade ago - $2600 in a single transaction

The buyers were middle aged men of the white collar variety and a few women.

[Syndrome]

Pill testing? Safe injecting rooms? The war on drugs has been lost.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Pill testing? Safe injecting rooms? The war on drugs has been lost.

It's just damage control - if people OD in a 'safe injecting room' it's not out on the street for the soccer mum to see driving the little ones to school, who then complains to the media.

It's isolating Joe Average voter from an issue, if the government actually cared about attempting to rehabilitate drug users they'd treat it as a mental health issue rather than a criminal problem.

It'd probably be cheaper than putting them through our prison system too just quietly.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Unfortunately there is altogether too much absolute crap sprouted about drugs, and the simple fact is that nobody in authority actually cares enough to do enough.
Politicians like to throw around terms like "the war on drugs". What BS.
I'd LOVE to watch the USA launch an actual war on drugs. Can you imagine it, B52s carpet bombing drug plantations, smart-bombs taking out the factories, Abrams rumbling through their Haciendas, and Rangers slaughtering the Cartels where they stand.
But rhetoric aside, the problem is that governments are not prepared to tackle the demand-side of the equation, which is the cause of the whole problem. They like to pretend that the problem is the evil "Mr Bigs", but it just isn't. Granted the drug trade can be a nasty business, and some have risen to the top by murdering anyone who gets in their way, but at the end of the day they are simply supplying the demand. If you cut down supply, all you do is make it what's left even more profitable.

But no, we just keep making excuses for the people using the drugs, and basically turning a blind eye. We resort to stupid measures, like testing sewage, so they can proclaim the drug usage then sit around wringing their hands. Nobody is prepared to take any unpopular measures.

And the really sad and terrible thing is the reason why.
Same reason why prisons are full of drugs. Because they make the inmates easier to control, and if they die, who cares.
On the left, you have those chasing the votes and preferences of the neo-hippies, who think Dope cures cancer and that any attempt to curtail drug use is "fascist".
Whilst on the right, they just don't give a ****. A dead drug-addict is just one less junkie.

So true.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's just damage control - if people OD in a 'safe injecting room' it's not out on the street for the soccer mum to see driving the little ones to school, who then complains to the media.

It's isolating Joe Average voter from an issue, if the government actually cared about attempting to rehabilitate drug users they'd treat it as a mental health issue rather than a criminal problem.

It'd probably be cheaper than putting them through our prison system too just quietly.

I am trying to save tax payers money as to forking out dead money, we could send all the no hopers to a 3rd world Country like Indo and build Jails their for that type their.
You know the money we spend on every idiot is truly beyond a joke, not to mention how some of the poor good and honest people living here do it, as I feel for them, I would rather some one worthy got the cash any day than just some dip stick moron living the life and just taking everyone for fools, laughing and boasting that they are one up on another twerp locked up because they have destroyed more worth in value than the other.
Not to mention that there are people who love being back home in jail with free everything and see their old mates.
Political Correctness has a lot to answer for as it's bleeding us all dry like a Vampire.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's just damage control - if people OD in a 'safe injecting room' it's not out on the street for the soccer mum to see driving the little ones to school, who then complains to the media.

Ask the people of Richmond about how a safe injecting room in their suburb has 'cleaned up' the streets:


https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...22-p51pxb.html

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Ask the people of Richmond about how a safe injecting room in their suburb has 'cleaned up' the streets:


https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...22-p51pxb.html

Richmond is an absolute ****hole that used to be home to the Pettingill clan who were the biggest heroin dealers in the city during the 1980s:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pettingill_family

The only thing that's changed in Richmond is the restaurants got nicer and it's a mix between your drug dependency types and MILFs in $200,000 SUVs - it still smells like **** regardless of its new fancy facade.

Richmond was a ****hole and now it's just a fancier ****hole with nice restaurants, that it's newer residents seem to be a little upset people are devaluing it's 7 figure property prices.

I think the people of Richmond should realise they bought into H-town Melbourne and it's better than a few decades ago.

Kath Pettingill threatened to kill my old man when he was investigating their family claiming benefits back when he was fresh faced and had a full head of hair