Australia - 'No Infrastructure'

[CoupeKing]

Focusing towards Mars, there's a reason for that.

[383hq]

Is a lier someone who does a lot of planking?

Pipelines and deep storage (not shallow and wide) is here and now.
4-7m of rainfall from Tully/Innisfail need not be wasted on growing cotton.

Question: are the victorians on the this thread happy to be paying $2m/day to keep the desal plant on stand by ?
Did you notice your taxes/charges go up?(I'm a little curious)

We need extra people to pay tax for those that expect welfare and pension.

We need guys like Musk - vision / solution focused, not people that give you a hundred reasons why something can't be done.

Sure, think about the failure modes and plan accordingly, but solutions are grand.

Hell even the Greeks and Romans moved vast amounts of water everywhere they went.

Can't be that hard if the Greeks could do it. I bet they didn't even have CNC machines, ANFO, 400T dump trucks or excavators...

Socialism is nice too.

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by moneypit

I agree with this 100%.

My post will include a combination of the reasons above that have been made in multiple posts above. The real answer to all of our problems is far more complex and is best described as having more than one cause. In fact it has many multiple causes all across our society. Reasons include: Political, Physical, Practicality, Efficiency of current technology, Cost of operating current technology, Cost of repairing and maintaining current technology available to us.

The problem is money (cost of technology) and manpower (to implement it).

We will never have enough money to do anything of substantial value and until robotics grows substantially in evolution we will never be able to terraform any part of Australia.

The issue stems from the fact that we are not only overpopulated worldwide but we are also 'betting' on the future (betting that technology will save our bacon) by generating fake money in the US FED.

I do not mean that overpopulation is a bad thing. It is only a bad thing in the sense that it is difficult for people to find a job. That is all. We can sustain our current population but it is reliant upon the current inflated financial situation. Our overpopulation is reliant upon the US FED generating 'fake' money and increasing financial inflation worldwide. If that disappears then that excess population will starve to death.

There is also another way that that excess population can dissappear That is through a 'financial crunching' which I believe will occur in the future. The reason why there will be a financial crunch in the future is because we cannot sustain perpetual growth. Perpetual growth on a planet which is finite in size and resources is impossible to do. Basically we will be unable to pay all of the bills and we will not be able to continue living up to the living standards that we have now, we will denegrate back into a 3rd world country as we were in the 1800s.

For example if we were to create several Nuclear power plants all across australia we could generate enough electricity to pump up water from the Great Artesian Basin and import water from the ocean, We could also provide electricity for air conditioning of inland cities which can reduce the cost of inhabiting inner Australia.

However the cost of operating and maintaining and decomissioning those nuclear power plants would be cost prohibitive for any of this to occur. We would also need a large amount of rare earth metals to maintain these systems.

That is just one example. The main point is that we cannot afford to do anything like this and we should be happy with whatever we have right now. We do have a sustainable population but only just.

If we were to go into war with Asia, as allies of the USA we would be in far greater financial strife than we are now.

When you take out the fat and boil it down to the fewest possible words, the best way to describe our situation would be that we are:
"Just barely surviving"

And the reason why Politics doesn't work is because the people have an unrealistic view of the powers that are available to them. They use that to their advantage to control and manipulate the population. Remember that most if not all politicians were former Lawyers and they all do very good business in their political lifetimes. That is why they are in power. But they are just human beings and as a result they are limited in the amount of things that they can coordinate and control to create something new. Like a railway system.

The power that a politician has is very limited. As a result our public view of their abilities is far greater than they actually are.

And the reason why they lie to us and promise us all of these fantastic ideals but never actually deliver is because it helps for them to be seen as a hero according to the populace, it prevents them from being hated by the populace if the population thinks that they are trying but failiing due to no inadequacy of their own but because the other party in the house is causing problems for them and blocking their path towards "delivering to the people".

These people are professional liers, Just like the christian down the street who promises everlasting life. We are all surrounded by liers.

The cold hard reality is is that we are all dependent upon fossil fuels and the middle east. We are still dependent upon the currently still-primitive technological advances that we have made. And we are all extremely dependent upon the false economic system which perpetually increases the cost of items in the hope that it would drive technological progress faster, an economy that we have created in the hope of saving our asses from extinction, or worse, world war 3.

Politicians and buisnessmen who operate global buisnesses know all of this and don't care. They are in it for their own short term happiness as is most people are these days.

There is no point dreaming up big plans that we cannot possibly ever do within our lifetime. These plans for creating a rail network across Australia would put the truckers out of jobs. So politically it would be impossible.

Massive terraforming of Australia would only be possible by the next generation of humans and robots. Working hand in hand.

The only thing that I can see saving our asses politically in the short and long term would be a completely computerised political system without any human beings working in it at all except for large descision making. If we take away the human factor we can allocate jobs to a certain task based upon public demand and targets and destroy or create industries based upon a single command.

But business has far too much power and influence at the moment. That is the first thing which must fall before we can go to a fully open source democratic system that is completely computerised and removes human emotion somewhat from the factor of descision making.

The computer would in essence be doing things for the greater good and not for the individual or small minority.

The closest analogue that I can see to this would be voting Republican next time. They seem to like jobs more than they do like minorities. But remember every political party is corrupt even the good guys.

The computerised system would be online and we could allocate based upon individual votes tallied up the amount of resources that we allocate towards a certain goal. Say for example an inner rail system would get 20% of the total budget and there would be cuts elsewhere. We could allocate these funds temporarily or on a more permanent basis.

It would be far more democratic because each individual nationwide would get a say in how we do things. We would also need individual identification cards for this to be possible... So it might not go down too well with some.

It would probably look somewhat similar to the website https://www.nationstates.net/

Ummm, no thanks I'll pass. That weed your smoking is way to strong.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by GREGL

Ummm, no thanks I'll pass. That weed your smoking is way to strong.

Not the weed man....

https://fordforums.com.au/showthread...88#post5951688

Originally Posted by BAXRSIX

Not the weed man....

https://fordforums.com.au/showthread...88#post5951688

Yeah I haven't smoked that **** in 7 years. ****ed with my head too much. I can get high enough off legal drugs like Caffeine and Sugar and exercise and hobbies. Much more healthier.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by 383hq

Hell even the Greeks and Romans moved vast amounts of water everywhere they went.

Can't be that hard if the Greeks could do it. I bet they didn't even have CNC machines, ANFO, 400T dump trucks or excavators...

They had something better. Slaves!

JP

[roKWiz]

I'm still waiting here in N.E Victoria for a slow speed train network or one that turns up occasionally.
Its well known the Feds (ARTC) who control the line want it closed to passenger services (VLine and XPT's) as its holding up their freight.
Don't hold your breath for high speed rail infrastructure anytime soon.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by LG17

One of the problems has always been our small population compared to the cost/amount of infrastructure needed to traverse the country.
European countries have short distances and large populations which makes infrastructure much more feasible.

The continent of Australia needs more than one country. The incompetent slugs in Canberra can't manage this country. Is there any avenue apart from a cultural revolution australia could be divided or sold off ?

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

They had something better. Slaves!

JP

Touché seems the world's greatest achievements were done through slaves, look at the pyramids. When everyone has equal rights and wants to get paid, look at what happened in modern Greece... Hey why can't we make our prisoners useful for something? Turn them into slaves. Win-win scenario ?

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

The continent of Australia needs more than one country. The incompetent slugs in Canberra can't manage this country. Is there any avenue apart from a cultural revolution australia could be divided or sold off ?

Hang on a minute ......the takeover of NZ is nearly complete and then you tell us your pollies are brain dead as well

Oh well Trump will save us ....oh and that pommy Sheila she has her finger on the pulse

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Touché seems the world's greatest achievements were done through slaves, look at the pyramids. When everyone has equal rights and wants to get paid, look at what happened in modern Greece... Hey why can't we make our prisoners useful for something? Turn them into slaves. Win-win scenario ?

Thats what built modern white australia. White english/irish slaves!

You'd have to massively multiply the incarceration rate to match the ancients in person power. Depending on your definition of slavery, from indebtedness through incarcerated forced work up to 80% of the Egyptian population was in 'enslavetude' (sic)(my word)
To be honest, our society isn't that bad. largely stable, most of us wealthy beyond the ancients wildest dreams and free.
Im an architect and the greatest achievements aren't big piles of stones, nicely arranged piled of carved stones or even tall gleaming glass towers.

Probably our greatest achievement is cooperation, culture, altruism, and love.

JP

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Im an architect and the greatest achievements aren't big piles of stones, nicely arranged piled of carved stones.
JP

Yes they are.

[2011G6E]

Restrictions on development because of green policies.
As has been said: do you honestly think a project like the Snowy Mountain Scheme would have got beyond the planning stage if it was started today? Green groups would be burning themselves in front of parliament house, protests would be Australia wide, the UN would be telling us to stop ruinging our environment...it wouldn't happen.

There is every indication of massive oil reserves offshore...just outside the Barrier Reef. God luck any of it ever being drilled though.

Basically, we've chickened out.


By the way, common misconception about the builders of the pyramids being downtrodden slaves: the pyramids weren't built by slaves. They were built by farmers (during the Nile flood seasons) and paid workers and skilled stone craftsmen. They've found masses of housing for workers and bread ovens, and nowhere does any painting show the stereotypical whipping of hordes of slaves. Lots of guys pulling huge stones, but only being guided by overseers, as you would expect on a big construction job.

[GASWAGON]

Well at least Turnbull is finally doing something about our LNG pricing for eastern households and industries/businesses that use lots of LNG for heating, instead of selling most of it to Asia at dirt cheap prices.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...26-gvsuyb.html

[castellan]

Originally Posted by BAXRSIX

I was wondering how long it would take someone to raise this line of debate, because it is what most people think when you talk about increasing Australia's population.
However I was a little surprised it came from you Trump, being a deep thinker.

Okay, let's roll back to after the second world war.
The Jews and survivors of the Holocaust, a race without a homeland.
Nobody wanted them, even the ships were turned around if you recall.

Eventually a portion of Palestine was provided and in 1948 the State of Israel became a nation.

100,000 displaced Jews walked into this new homeland, of which half was desert.

Today the population of Israel is over 8,000,000, and have become a great nation. Using desalination plants, drip irrigation and aquifers they have managed to grow vegetables and fruit (Remember Jaffa oranges) and their innovations are helping to fill hungry bellies everywhere, but particularly in the developing world.

Now imagine if Australia had given them some of our harsh uninhabitable land to settle in instead.... I think you get my drift here.

Now you say that "there isn't enough fertile arable land to feed so many without resorting to bulk importing".

Do you realise that if you take all the food and produce Australia currently exports to the rest of the world, it would be enough to feed at least 56,000,000 people without even increasing current crops and production!

We currently have enough food to support far more than our current population that's for sure.

Even if we forget about the vast uninhabitable desert that much of Australia is.... Let's take the state of Victoria (size = 237,000km2) and a population of approx. 6,000,000 million which is not desert or uninhabitable by any means.

Now take the United Kingdom (size = 242,000Km2, so for argument's sake the same approximate size of Victoria)... The UK has a population of 65,000,000 by comparison.

We could easily fit 100,000,000 people in the existing habitable, non-desert areas of Australia.

Manufacturing in this country failed because of lack of population / scale of economy. We are taxed to death because to build infrastructure, provide healthcare, education, etc, etc, relies on only 24 million of us to pay for it.

The only way this country of ours will survive in generations to come is to increase our population and not to keep it small, as most Australians would prefer to see for selfish reasons.

If we don't then one day, maybe not in our lifetime but in our great grand children's time... We will be absorbed by America, lose our identity and become the 51st state of the USA to survive! ... (Or maybe plans are already in place if you believe in the New World Order)

Well my Sir name is Hebrew but firstly Jews are not a race, they are in fact a religion. Hebrews maybe called a race because they are the Tribe of Israel and Tribe of Judah but nowadays some like to claim them as Semitic, that maybe true because of Cain and Abel were brothers but Arabs were truly referred to as the Semitic people. but due to socialist workings of Political Correctness we have the game play of bastardisation of the words nowadays. no true practicing Jew referred themselves a Semite, because Semites are (were) referred to as the Muslim Islam.
The main reason why the Jews State has progressed is that the people were united and better educated and truly comprehend what business is and worked for a common cause. it's a crappy worthless bit of land that they made a go of and look at USA or Australia, a great land and full of fools who could not make a go of a land that is great.
Nazi Germany reason why it turned around and powered on so well economically was 'the people were united to work for a goal' and Australia once had a goal, but we don't get that united patriotic nationalistic brotherhood any more, sadly it's all about the individual now and dog eat dog get what you can get by hook or by crook, head in the sand attitude and huge ego driven fools with no morals worth jack but just full of foolish self rights, we once could make cars here and we still could with no problems, but the people now just give up, if the generations before us were just degenerate like how Australia's are now, we would be still be living in stick huts.

It's true that we are being taxed to death and supporting every no hopper you could to think of, but kick the s---t out of people who work for themselves and all the red tape, regulations ect just works against anyone who try's to have a go.

Just look at USA the greatest Nation on earth is now bankrupt and there is no excuse for it at all, no one could be truly that stupid !
The same with Australia our Nation should be that wealthy that we don't borrow a cent but only be lending money to others.

Something is wrong if a man starts his working life and does not own a home by 55yo and should question yourself as to why and the same thing with a Nation, Australia has been here long enough by now to be able to stand on it's own in the world. there is no excuse for it at all !
What's Australia going to be in another 100 years still a busted **** garbage dump scraping for money to get things done and still supporting all the dead beats to just be empowered dead beats.

People are not truly looking towards the future because they are all wrapped up in a narrow minded selfish socialist politically correct dream world tailored for misfits and every 3rd rate dingbat cause.
I have lost count of the people in there 30's with claims that are totally delusional and they are 3rd rate tradesmen plus they are on drugs.

[roKWiz]

Here's a good example of our brilliant infrastructure. Took this picture last week when a freight train ploughed up our rail crossing.
This is one of hundreds of sink holes created when Australian Rail and Track "fixed" the rail corridor between Sydney and Melbourne.
They spent billions on this, people out in the country are calling for heads to roll.
Meanwhile all who were involved in this fiasco are blaming one another.
Just recently politicians are asking ARTC to do a costing to fix it while they give more money to them.
Sort of like leaving the fox in charge of the hen house.

Australia is too busy trying to scrape every last cent of profit from its existing infrastructure and will continue to do so, without maintenance, until that infrastructure degrades beyond the point of usability. Then we'll all stand around with our hands on our hips, wondering what happened and looking for whoever is going to pay us our next dollar.

As a nation, we've no forward-thinking ability and no desire to build any form of industry that provides sustainable profit in the long-term. Let's just keep scraping everything we have from our ****ty country until it literally has nothing left. It's all about short-term profitability, right???

[BPXR6T]

Infrastructure project happening in my backyard right now. https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/siteas...y-Brochure.pdf

Its a bit of a boom for businesses in town. Accomodation, food, services for workers. They had an information session the other day in the town hall offering jobs and opportunites for the local community to get involved. The project will hopefully take some of the grain trucks off the road. They'll just be running farm to silo instead of silo to port.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Infrastructure project happening in my backyard right now. https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/siteas...y-Brochure.pdf

Its a bit of a boom for businesses in town. Accomodation, food, services for workers. They had an information session the other day in the town hall offering jobs and opportunites for the local community to get involved. The project will hopefully take some of the grain trucks off the road. They'll just be running farm to silo instead of silo to port.

This is what Trains are good for, bulk freight................when they don't stuff it up

[olfella]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Infrastructure project happening in my backyard right now. https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/siteas...y-Brochure.pdf

Its a bit of a boom for businesses in town. Accomodation, food, services for workers. They had an information session the other day in the town hall offering jobs and opportunites for the local community to get involved. The project will hopefully take some of the grain trucks off the road. They'll just be running farm to silo instead of silo to port.

This project has been in the pipeline for ages now and it will be good to see it completed.
https://independentaustralia.net/pol...ure-plans,7151
As you can see in this article there are lots of other areas that need upgrading.

For example, quoted from the article, 'A single freight train travelling from Melbourne to Sydney can replace 150 semi-trailers, saving 45,000 litres of fuel on each trip, according to the Australasian Railway Association'. .

If you are interested the author of this article has some other good reads on infrastructure if you just click on his name at the bottom

[BPXR6T]

They've been working on the rail section near me for 2-3 weeks. 1500km of track to upgrade. I can't remember government investing so much in infrastructure around here. The death trap roads just get a bandaid thats ripped off by the next grain truck.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Infrastructure project happening in my backyard right now. https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/siteas...y-Brochure.pdf

Its a bit of a boom for businesses in town. Accomodation, food, services for workers.

Looks like a good project as most of those lines are already there.
As long as the Victorian Gov. are converting the lines.
PLEASE VIC. GOV. DON"T LET ARTC ANYWHERE NEAR IT
I once spoke with a senior rail worker at Gunning where he told me ARTC's intention was to run the passenger Sydney to Melbourne line down so they could spend the money building the inland freight route.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Infrastructure project happening in my backyard right now. https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/siteas...y-Brochure.pdf

Its a bit of a boom for businesses in town. Accomodation, food, services for workers. They had an information session the other day in the town hall offering jobs and opportunites for the local community to get involved. The project will hopefully take some of the grain trucks off the road. They'll just be running farm to silo instead of silo to port.

Consider yourselves lucky.

Funny thing is most of those grain trains will be pulled by ex WA locos that used to do the grain runs here until Barnett ripped out all the tracks.

We now have to transport over 10,000 tonnes of grain 700km via road using pocket road trains on a highway so full of pot holes it breaks cars.
We used to take it 5km to a siding.

I wonder why sick people, pensioners and those left unemployed always get the blame as being bludgers and a drain on society?
I could tell you a horror story of someone with terminal cancer with months to live and he can't get sickness benefits. (He is not considered sick enough LOL) I wonder if these same people would call him a bludger to his face?

[GASWAGON]

Anyone in Melbourne that does alot of driving around especially in Northern City suburbs should go to this sight and register support for the East West Link project.

Apparently Labor knocked it back?

It really really does need to be done its getting beyond the joke now.

http://www.buildthelink.com.au/

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

I wonder why sick people, pensioners and those left unemployed always get the blame as being a drain on society?

Because they are.
Unfortunately medical care simply continues to become progressively more expensive, whilst at the same time more people are requiring it and for longer. Unfortunately it is simple mathematics that society cannot continue to pay the bill.
There is the additional problem that we facing increasing competition from countries with lower taxation, lower costs, and where the sick and elderly either work or starve.

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

I could tell you a horror story of someone with terminal cancer with months to live and he can't get sickness benefits. (He is not considered sick enough LOL) I wonder if these same people would call him a bludger to his face?

Yeah, nice story, pity it's BS.
There's no such thing as "Sickness Benefits."
You just go onto Income Support (aka newstart) and have a doctor sign your form. Even if you can't find a doctor to sign your form, worst case scenario is that you need to say that you looked for work.

The problem remains that for every genuine case, there is somebody else out there rorting the system.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Trump

Australia with a 100 million people... is a recipe for disaster. There isn't enough naturally occurring fresh water to support so many people, there isn't enough fertile arable land to feed so many without resorting to bulk importing, the vast majority of the Australian land mass is essentially uninhabitable desert.

They can finally start to use the Desalination plant.

What is it costing us a day again, even when it's not doing anything??

[Pis-ton broke]

i feel sorry for the country folk that the govco have deserted and the political bs that they have to endure, like rocwiz,s story. i,ve always figured that if the country areas were a little better looked after, then there might be some population growth , like people moving out of rat hole Sydney.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trump

Australia with a 100 million people... is a recipe for disaster. There isn't enough naturally occurring fresh water to support so many people, there isn't enough fertile arable land to feed so many without resorting to bulk importing, the vast majority of the Australian land mass is essentially uninhabitable desert.

You obviously have not visited Northen Australia, plenty of fertile land & water waiting to be developed.
Think lake Argyle & Ord river irrigation scheme would be one example.

[BPXR6T]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i feel sorry for the country folk that the govco have deserted and the political bs that they have to endure, like rocwiz,s story. i,ve always figured that if the country areas were a little better looked after, then there might be some population growth , like people moving out of rat hole Sydney.

Yep, services suck out here. We are constantly fundraising just to keep the hospital doors open with minimal staff. Population hasn't changed here, needs haven't changed, but services are being cut back year after year. E.g. We have an xray machine but no funding for someone to operate it. Break a leg and you're up for an hour drive in the back of an ambo on crap roads. Hospital needed a lift chair. No gov funding so we had a car battery and scrap metal drive to raise the money. We did at least have our own shire and a mayor a few years back to go into bat for us. But since being merged into a super shire we get no funding. It all goes to a bigger town an hour away.