p plater driving V8s

[RAPID_BA]

im sure if i grab the p-platers who rolled their car on my front lawn, they would giggle amongst themselves. Thats my point.

They only get it once something tragic happens, until they mature take the weapons out of their hands

[GS608]

Ban 6 cyl cars as well? Good idea, let every p plater drive around a 4 cyl pos with no acceleration and watch how many are killed once they get on their opens buy a 6 cyl or v8/turbo and kill themselves because they have no idea how to handle a powerful car.

[chrisfpv]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I'm trying to wrap my head around this;

Do your parents already own a car? It's probably a safe assumption to suggest that they do...?

So essentially you want them to get rid of whatever cars they own, buy a V8 in their name so you can attempt to pull a shifty and drive it, leaving them with no car?

Forgive me if I've screwed something up, had to read your post at least a dozen times to try and work out what was going on.

He is (or was now) under the impression that if he purchased a V8 on his P plates, and put the car into his parents name that he'd be allowed to drive it as it's not his car on paper.

I also think he was asking if his parents already owned a V8, and they had just the one car could he drive it as it's not in his name, and apparently has no other way of getting a second car lol.

[sanchoXB]

Originally Posted by Zedjay

the law should be power to weight ratio not just no V8...
my 16 year old son cant drive my dads old NL fairlane that he is getting but can drive our FG XR6??
The FG is way way faster than the NL.....infact there would be 4 cyl cars quicker than the NL

Or have a horsepower / kilowatt limit.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Id be on the cusp of taking 6 cylinder cars away too.

Cause a an XF with a wheezy old crossflow with no compression, will always outpace and outhandle a 90's model civic......

VTec just kicked in, YO!

Thats just the "speed kills, speed cameras save lives & every p-plater is reckless" Poitcian thought. You a state member are you? Realistically though. Powe to weight ratio is the way to go. That's a calculation that includes all the vehicles characteristics. It's all relative.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

All P-Platers. There is no exception to the rule. No matter how good they think they are behind the wheel, they still have no idea. Do your time and shut the hell up. Because no-one cares what a whinging P-Plater has to say. We only have to open the paper or watch the news to see another P-Plater caught at high speed, killing themselves and others to understand that the rules are not tough enough.

I feel sorry for you if you are being serious. Not all p platers are maniac drivers.
I'm not even on my p's so you can't use that against me.
Sure there are more maniac drivers on their p's then full licence, but if you think every p plater is on a suicide mission then perhaps you should get out more often.

[wicksy]

my brother in law got a exemption to drive his parents 200 series cruiser, all he said that he travels for moto-x and helps with driving to help manage fatigue

[lockieoc]

i do believe that the RTA are going to have to rethink the exemption laws and make some exemptions for some vehicles, the Ecoboost Falcon is proof to this point. Car companies such as VW Audi range go for small capacity engines a strap a turbo or Supercharger or both on them which makes them super fuel efficient but produces less power than a i6 or Commodore and they ilegal to drive on your P's.

I see everyone ranting on about P Plate drivers and how they don't understand anything... I guess im part of the minority that do know how to drive, because the amount of fully licensed drivers i see that have been on the road for well over 10 years still cant seem to grasp the concept of driving. I do believe you have a much better understanding if you understand the mechanics of a car and how it works, half my mates wouldn't know what over-steer or under-steer is, they also don't understand the important role parts of your vehicle have when driving. my mates laughed at me when i spent $1200 on tires, telling me i got ripped of and they only paid $100 a tyre, also i think im the only one to upgrade brakes and suspension on my car.
I see the way some of my mates drive and there is no way i would trust them with a high powered vehicle!

[CODSASR]

for all other low powerd turbo cars such as ecoboost falcon VicRoads offers this

Drivers issued with a probationary licence on or after 1 July 2007 may apply for an exemption to drive a lower performance turbocharged or supercharged vehicle by completing the attached application form below.

Application to drive a Lower Performance Supercharged/Turbocharged vehicle [PDF 104KB]

These exemptions are not based on the driver having to demonstrate hardship. In making the decision, VicRoads must consider:

* the effect on safe, efficient and equitable road use in Victoria; and
* the characteristics of the vehicle, including whether it is designed for sports performance rather than family use.


VicRoads
Exemptions
Locked Bag 5000
KEW VIC 3101.

Probationary drivers granted this exemption will be notified by VicRoads in writing. The letter should be carried by the driver at all times when driving this vehicle.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

All P-Platers. There is no exception to the rule. No matter how good they think they are behind the wheel, they still have no idea. Do your time and shut the hell up. Because no-one cares what a whinging P-Plater has to say. We only have to open the paper or watch the news to see another P-Plater caught at high speed, killing themselves and others to understand that the rules are not tough enough.

Originally Posted by Ben73

I feel sorry for you if you are being serious. Not all p platers are maniac drivers.
I'm not even on my p's so you can't use that against me.
Sure there are more maniac drivers on their p's then full licence, but if you think every p plater is on a suicide mission then perhaps you should get out more often.

I’m with Bucky on this one.

There are certainly some reasonably good P Plate drivers around, however, reasonably good and knowing what you’re doing are two different things. You don’t have to be travelling at Mach 1 to be a danger to yourself and others. How many times have you seen some pretty little 18 year-old in a Jazz, Exel, Swift, whatever pull some incredibly stupid stunt simply because she has no idea?

Many of the idiotic manoeuvres I see with P Platers are usually done well under the posted limit.

We had similar restriction years ago on V8 cars and the like but they were not law. It was simply unaffordable to run one 25 - 30 years ago and practically no one would give you insurance for one. I guess things are a lot different these days.

I doesn’t matter how hard I try, I can’t remember anyone when I was 18 talking about buying a HZ GTS or an XD with a 351 which would have been the equivalent of a BA XR8 today.

As others have pointed out, P Platers are still learning and have a lot to learn. I don’t see the problem with limiting the type of cars but power to weight should be the measure for this.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I feel sorry for you if you are being serious. Not all p platers are maniac drivers.

No, but all P platers are inexperienced drivers. Negotiating our roads, potential hazards can be avoided based on experience and knowledge and your own behaviour can be tempered in a stressful situation. I've avoided countless accidents from anticipation of someone pulling off a bonehead maneuver infront of me because I've seen it hundreds of times before.

My missus is on the path to getting her licence again after one of her friends was killed in the car infront of her. She gave up driving on the spot. I'll often play Jedi mind trick on her when I point out what some bonehead is about to do before they do it. You develop a sixth sense based solely on experience.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by XR

He is (or was now) under the impression that if he purchased a V8 on his P plates, and put the car into his parents name that he'd be allowed to drive it as it's not his car on paper.

What the OP seemed to indicate was that he wanted to purchase a V8 in his parents name and have that as the only car in the family so he can own/drive a V8. I guess a clarification in English may be required.

[Saraco]

Should be power to weight. In S.A., no V8 or turbo... unless it's a diesel or 3 cyl Smart car or similar. So you can't drive a 253 Holden, yet a non turbo, flat 6 Porsche Carrera is a 100% legal. The Porsche would blow most V8's to the weeds!( That's if a P plater is lucky enough to get to drive one).

[GasoLane]

As much as we dislike it the rule makers have to work on the minority that drive like idiots. That, and the pipe dream of Police forces and Pollies of getting the road toll down to zero.

A Red P plate means that you're still Practising. A Green P means that you've nearly got it right.
A P plate upside down (d for dumb) means that you've either rolled your car or you're not smart enough to put it on the right way up, in both cases you should go back to L's .

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I’m with Bucky on this one.

There are certainly some reasonably good P Plate drivers around, however, reasonably good and knowing what you’re doing are two different things. You don’t have to be travelling at Mach 1 to be a danger to yourself and others. How many times have you seen some pretty little 18 year-old in a Jazz, Exel, Swift, whatever pull some incredibly stupid stunt simply because she has no idea?

Many of the idiotic manoeuvres I see with P Platers are usually done well under the posted limit.

"Bucky" pretty much said every p plater is some maniac that does 200km/h at every chance.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Ben73

"Bucky" pretty much said every p plater is some maniac that does 200km/h at every chance.

That’s not the way that I interpreted it.

[MNM96]

Originally Posted by dags41v

New drivers dont know everything so should spend a couple of years learning the ropes before they are given a lethal weapon.

Cause nobody ever died driving a 4 cylinder!



This law is in place because its easier than educating our children.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

That’s not the way that I interpreted it.

I Did because he quoted my post which I quoted something else.

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

The facts are that most p-platers drive beyond their abilities. They just "wanna go fast" wanna be quicker, they drive with absolutely no margin for error, they never foresee other drivers mistakes.

For instance if there is a crest on a hill, the p-plater will come flying over it not aware and with no regard for what is on the other side.

im no peter brock so i dont drive like one, p plater think they can.

Originally Posted by Ben73

SOME P- Platers.

I know I sure as hell didn't drive around like that on my P's.

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

All P-Platers. There is no exception to the rule. No matter how good they think they are behind the wheel, they still have no idea. Do your time and shut the hell up. Because no-one cares what a whinging P-Plater has to say. We only have to open the paper or watch the news to see another P-Plater caught at high speed, killing themselves and others to understand that the rules are not tough enough.

This is the only forum I have seen that doesn't have the quote pyramids.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Ben73

"Bucky" pretty much said every p plater is some maniac that does 200km/h at every chance.

That's how I read it too, you said that "some" P platers are maniacs, then he said "All P-platers". What a load of crap. Anyone who says that all P platers are maniacs is probably too old to have any clue about what they are talking about- they just read the newspaper, watch 60 minutes and they know it all. The vast majority of P platers are sensible drivers. Newsflash: most P platers, particularly females, don't have any interest in driving whatsoever, they just get from A to B and go about it sensibly. This business that "every P plater is a maniac trying to kill themselves" is so incredibly stupid, words don't do it justice. It's the ones that are still immature that go out and do immature things. Particularly when you mix a young car enthusiast and immaturity together you get problems, it's inevitable.

I cop more crap on the roads from cars without P plates on them than from cars with P plates. I'm at the age where alot of my friends are still P platers, I know a large group of males, most on their Ps, that call themselves car enthusiasts - mainly drive Hondas and talk up how fast they can push their little pieces of jap crap. These are the people you see on the news and in the paper. The fact is, for every one of these morons, there are 10 other young drivers that have no interest in driving at all, let alone driving fast. Yes, they may be inexperienced. But no, they are not maniacs driving beyond their ability. I hate stupid P platers as much as the next guy, sometimes after seeing what some of them do on public roads I wish I could drag them out of the car and go to town with a baseball bat; I was nearly T boned the other week by a moron P plater in the standard issue hoon (read: gay) Honda Integra. But the fact is, you never notice the P plater driving like the rest of us, or ever read a news article about a P plater driving within the speed limit on the way to work or uni, it's always about the P plater that took their life because they were driving too fast - I have no sympathy for these people. Not far from my house on Christmas night last year a P plater turned a corner at high speed and rolled his Mitsubishi Colt 6 times into the bush, killing himself. He was 28 years old, hardly normal P plater age but he just adds to the bad reputation of young drivers.

[Skotty]

Meh, I can see your points but you can get a I6 BA, fair bit of power, VE's fair bit of giddy up from factory... more than enough to cut y0 mad single peggers in.. ;) so why need a 6T or 8... most p platers wouldn't have a clue what to do if they are boosting off down the road, say the diff open wheels and take out the closest pole/sign/small child.. there are a few that do...

The laws in SA aren't too bad IMHO, you can have a turbo/8 on your p's if you are over 25. thats more than reasonable because the maturity is generally there for someone over 25 so they are past the street racing/burnout stage but there is still the minority that drive like fvckwits...

[burnz]

so how do they police power/weight???

VB commodore with 308 is low powered, wont take much to make them high powered.
4T engine's the same, up the boost.

dyno for rego?? canary every five minutes to have them tested??

[RAPID_BA]

Originally Posted by Rodp

No, but all P platers are inexperienced drivers. Negotiating our roads, potential hazards can be avoided based on experience and knowledge and your own behaviour can be tempered in a stressful situation. I've avoided countless accidents from anticipation of someone pulling off a bonehead maneuver infront of me because I've seen it hundreds of times before.

experience.

Thats gotta be the post of the thread and exactly the situation, driving safely is more than just following the rules, its about allowing a margin for error for other imbocile drivers, p-platers (due to no experience) drive with no margin for error, if they dont cause the accident they are sure to plow into anyone who makes an error.

You gotta take the weapons out of their hands at least. I loaned my car to a very experienced driver, he said he couldnt own my car as you just wanna open it up all the time as its fun. He said hes not as tempted in his vw golf tsi

Imagine a p-plater?

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

Thats gotta be the post of the thread and exactly the situation, driving safely is more than just following the rules, its about allowing a margin for error for other imbocile drivers, p-platers (due to no experience) drive with no margin for error, if they dont cause the accident they are sure to plow into anyone who makes an error.

You gotta take the weapons out of their hands at least. I loaned my car to a very experienced driver, he said he couldnt own my car as you just wanna open it up all the time as its fun. He said hes not as tempted in his vw golf tsi

Imagine a p-plater?

What would make a TSi tempting? not much more poke than the TDi...
I see plenty of idiots driving high powered cars, ducking and diving through traffic doing 30kph than everyone else, there are plenty of fully licensed drivers that shouldn't be allowed anything more than a N/A 4 cylinder

[hendoau99]

i'm a p plater and i honestly dont know why p platers continue to drive like idiots. i reckon defensive driving courses should be made compulsory. and i agree with lockieoc's post, if you understand how car parts work and when they work at there most efficent, you'll have much more respect for your car and drive responsibly.

[Kingsley]

Originally Posted by fitzwa

100 % agree with power to weight. They do it with bikes so why the hell not cars.

A few weeks ago about 5 ks from my house a car load of teenagers driving a 6cyl Falcon, failed to negotiate a bend and slammed into some tree's outside a house in excess of 180km/h. No skid marks, nothing.

There were six kids in that car which only seats 5, 2 girls died. At least 1 wasn't wearing a seat belt and was ejected from the vehicle and found 20 odd metres away in the front yard of the house, she died instantly and had to be identified by a tattoo because she couldn't be done visually. The other girl died a few hours later in hospital.


My apologies for the morbid post and it's a bit off topic but enoughs enough. I'm terrified of the day my kids start to drive.

What was equally dangerous were the many, many people who decided to slow down to a 30 kph or less crawl on that stretch of road (speed limit is 100kph on a blind bend.) to gawk at the tree, or park with the *** of their car hanging out in the lane then wander out on to the road in front of oncomming traffic without looking, or standing in the middle of the road to take pictures. The cementary 1k away could experienced a population explosion that week alone on the stupidity of some of the mourners.

I was lucky enough to get through my youth only losing two friends from car crashes. Of those two, one was in a Renault that suffered steering failure, the other was speeding on a wet road driving a Porsche with suspect tyres. But considering how bad the roads were at the time with the availability of powerful cars with questionable brakes and suspension, I'm surprised more weren't killed. Maybe we weren't as impaitent...

I can understand why people would prefer a power to weight ratio, but if the person concerned does an advanced driving course or courses, then I don't see a problem with any of them owning a V8 or turbo. Lets face it, even the most gutless four banger is capable of a 100 kph in a 60 zone, so driver education should be taught as a compulsory component through school. It's the one thing that all kids will want to do at some point is get their licence.

[2002au]

Originally Posted by hendoau99

i'm a p plater and i honestly dont know why p platers continue to drive like idiots. i reckon defensive driving courses should be made compulsory. and i agree with lockieoc's post, if you understand how car parts work and when they work at there most efficent, you'll have much more respect for your car and drive responsibly.

this. for me, i dont be stupid (on my L's, not p's though but same applys) because i just think how long it took me to get my car from working, and how long i wait to actually drive it! thats what my dad tells me also

[CANFRY]

Originally Posted by XR

He is (or was now) under the impression that if he purchased a V8 on his P plates, and put the car into his parents name that he'd be allowed to drive it as it's not his car on paper.

I also think he was asking if his parents already owned a V8, and they had just the one car could he drive it as it's not in his name, and apparently has no other way of getting a second car lol.

nah besically ive been told and searched it on google and apparently if your parents only own a v8 and there willing to let u drive it because they dont have any other cars in there name then if you go to the rta and say my dad is gonna let me use it to work and thats the only car i can use they will do some sort of exemption or sumthing im not 100% i just wanted to see my dad has a ba ghia that hes gonna sell but yeh i was thinkin about buyin a v8 and puttin it in his name and his other car is in my uncles name anyway so he would still own a car and yeh i was hoping i could buy a v8.
and for all the ppl sayin yeh i shouldnt because im on my p's well ive got a perfect record no accidents havnt been caught driving like a ******* dont speed or drink drive and ive had my licence for a few yrz so im confident i could control myself not to be a hero and drive like an idiot.
but like i said its probably just a story that goes around.

[kyro_02]

so, in short... what we have here is..

p platers killing themselves in 6cyl/v6 cars instead of a v8(that unless done some work to, probably wouldn't go much quicker than a 6cyl/v6, if at all..)

I know as a p-plater somewhat a few years back, I got caught with careless driving, as the cop reckon I did a 360 in an intersection and took off and hid, okey; he was right... but in the end it was done in an under-powered slow POS excuse of a car..

no matter what car it is, slow as all hell... you can just do as much damage, it just may take a lot longer to get there

what i'm saying is, even though i am full license now..............these laws suck

[CANFRY]

yeh like ive got mates that drive like idiots and shouldnt even be on the road
and there gettin around in 4 cyl n old 6 cyl that could still get up around 200km n dont handle at all it all comes down to whos behind the wheel i think but yeh like i said i can see why alot of ppl are against 90% of p platers just by lookin at half my mates
but yeh im pretty sure if i was gonna kill my self by driving like an idiot i probably wuld have in the car ive got now
but i just dont choose to drive like that and i understand that theres other ppl on the road n stuff like that.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Lu.14.nd

nah besically ive been told and searched it on google and apparently if your parents only own a v8 and there willing to let u drive it because they dont have any other cars in there name then if you go to the rta and say my dad is gonna let me use it to work and thats the only car i can use they will do some sort of exemption or sumthing im not 100% i just wanted to see my dad has a ba ghia that hes gonna sell but yeh i was thinkin about buyin a v8 and puttin it in his name and his other car is in my uncles name anyway so he would still own a car and yeh i was hoping i could buy a v8.
and for all the ppl sayin yeh i shouldnt because im on my p's well ive got a perfect record no accidents havnt been caught driving like a ******* dont speed or drink drive and ive had my licence for a few yrz so im confident i could control myself not to be a hero and drive like an idiot.
but like i said its probably just a story that goes around.

WOW, and you said all that without taking a breath!