Att. QLD Members. Kelvin's Brock is nearly finnished - Page 2

BI6TIM · 10-07-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ebs_4l

well, i think those extractors look pretty rough actually, and appear to be a direct copy of comp style pacemakers.. would have been a lot nicer to use pacemakers

i would have to say, the roughest looking parts are the head flange welds, and the straight piece of pipe coming out cockeyed on cyl.3

Well thanks for your input buddy (<input sarcastic tone of voice here).

They are 1 3/4" primaries from memory and yes it is serious. Everything custom on this car was made to suit each other ie: The man who made the custom exhaust, which is 3", built it with the head mods and cam specs in mind. So whether people like it or not the exhaust was made like that for a reason and I won't be surprised if this car has the most power and does the fastest 1/4 mile time of any N/A 4L non gassed. JMM has nothing!

EB Pete · 10-07-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BI6TIM

Well thanks for your input buddy (<input sarcastic tone of voice here).

They are 1 3/4" primaries from memory and yes it is serious. Everything custom on this car was made to suit each other ie: The man who made the custom exhaust, which is 3", built it with the head mods and cam specs in mind. So whether people like it or not the exhaust was made like that for a reason and I won't be surprised if this car has the most power and does the fastest 1/4 mile time of any N/A 4L non gassed. JMM has nothing!

i like that attitude. good luck to him!
just out of curiosity what place did the exhaust system?

BI6TIM · 10-07-2006, 08:13 PM

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just out of curiosity what place did the exhaust system?

The place is called FatPipes at Kalangur Ph: 3285 7417

EB Pete · 10-07-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BI6TIM

The place is called FatPipes at Kalangur Ph: 3285 7417

where abouts is kalangur?

BI6TIM · 10-07-2006, 10:13 PM

North Brisbane EB Pete. 5 minutes north of Strathpine, if that helps. 5 minutes west of redcliffe if that helps. Talk to Lez, tell him Kelvin with the brock falcon or Tim formaly of Pedders at Lawnton recomended you go there.

BI6TIM · 10-07-2006, 10:13 PM

Oh that's if you were actualy planning on going there.

EB Pete · 10-07-2006, 10:45 PM

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Oh that's if you were actualy planning on going there.

thanks yeah i was thinking about it. thanks heaps for that.

Walkinshaw · 10-07-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BI6TIM

Well thanks for your input buddy (<input sarcastic tone of voice here).

They are 1 3/4" primaries from memory and yes it is serious. Everything custom on this car was made to suit each other ie: The man who made the custom exhaust, which is 3", built it with the head mods and cam specs in mind. So whether people like it or not the exhaust was made like that for a reason and I won't be surprised if this car has the most power and does the fastest 1/4 mile time of any N/A 4L non gassed. JMM has nothing!

Big Call.

The strip awaits

Can't Wait.

ebs_4l · 11-07-2006, 01:31 AM

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Well thanks for your input buddy (<input sarcastic tone of voice here).

no problems

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Originally Posted by BI6TIM

They are 1 3/4" primaries from memory and yes it is serious. Everything custom on this car was made to suit each other ie: The man who made the custom exhaust, which is 3", built it with the head mods and cam specs in mind.

to me, that looks like the off-the-shelf tailpipe and intermediate section (muffler) from redback/lukey... yes, i know they only make one for the v8, but the only difference is the first couple of feet of pipe, my guess is that is a modded 3in v8 system.

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So whether people like it or not the exhaust was made like that for a reason and I won't be surprised if this car has the most power and does the fastest 1/4 mile time of any N/A 4L non gassed. JMM has nothing!

nothing except gigantic amounts of R&D, testing, 1/4mile runs... not that that helps much. i will be eagerly awaiting power figures from this car then, you'd want to take the fairly substantial stereo system out b4 hitting the track. there is a huge difference between a car with huge hp and one that is competitive down the 1/4

dont go getting all upset because i pointed out the fact that them headers look pretty damn rough to me, come on, what sort of 'CUSTOM' fabricator would put that pipe like that into number 3?? thats not all that is rough, but when i look at the rest of the car, then see that, it just stands out, maybe im just super critical of the exhaust fabrication since im so fussy with my own exhaust fabrication work... you wouldnt get money out of me for them, hell, if you or your mate are going to the trouble of getting headers 'CUSTOM' made, then atleast you could go to someone who has a 'TIG' welder....

BI6TIM · 11-07-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ebs_4l

to me, that looks like the off-the-shelf tailpipe and intermediate section (muffler) from redback/lukey... yes, i know they only make one for the v8, but the only difference is the first couple of feet of pipe, my guess is that is a modded 3in v8 system.

What is wrong with you man? The exhuast was custom made from the front to the back, there is no off the shelf items here, whether you like it or not. And unless you yourself can do better with an exhaust and have proof please keep it to yourself.

As for the comments I made about JMM, I knew there would be a reaction of some sort. The truth is I don't hate JMM but i do feel that with all that has gone into that red EB of thiers (engine work and the rather elaborate suspension setup), it should go faster. They are claiming that they are the premier 4L falcon builders, or whatever, yet there is a bloke up here in Brisbane, that is not on this forum, that does a 13.5 1/4 mile in an EA with EF motor. His car has standard design suspension setup (front and rear) and not a JMM part on it.

If that bloke can do that himself and JMM can only beat him by 0.2 sec, what does that say about all there resourses and R&D? Maybe Kelvins car won't be the fasted N/A 4L non gassed, but it deffinately has the potential to be.

ebs_4l · 11-07-2006, 01:10 PM

the problem with trying to outrun jmm, is that, although you may get real close, at such a developed level, you reach a point of ever diminishing returns... you may gain 1 sec easily from 15 down to 14sec, but how much harder is the next second to drop, from 14 down to 13??? thats why they are still the fastest..

oh, and could you elaborate a bit on the engine in this brock then?? it must have some serious work done to it, what sort of management is it using?? what are the specs of the cam?? etc, sounds like it may be the most highly modified 6 around

heres just a bit of my handywork.

Simmo · 11-07-2006, 02:13 PM

pretty pictures. you raise valid points but JMM are not gods and there are enough people in the automotive industry for there to be at least 1 other person/mob to know what they're talking about when it comes to falcons.

OED666 · 11-07-2006, 02:19 PM

JMM's red eb has a suspension setup which greatly improves the qtr time. Its far from a streetable setup

They are doing 13.3 @ 101 MPH.

I did a 14.56 @ 98.28, and my pb of 14.26 at 98.19. I have an AU XR6 HP motor with an aftermarket cam. Apart from that the motor is as it was when it left the factory.

(i also have extractors, exhaust mods and intake mods...)

BI6TIM · 11-07-2006, 03:47 PM

Well I see you have the talent to back up your comments about the exhaust. However the welds may not be to your liking but the exhaust was still made for a purpose and it does very well.

Leaving the exhaust behind us, the engine is quite heavily modified. I'm not real sure yet on how much of that Kelvin is willing to be public knowlage. I can tell you that nothing is untouched. There has been something done with every part of the engine. It was built by Tod at 'Thedge Race Engines' in Geebung.

ebs_4l · 11-07-2006, 06:12 PM

i would like to have the money to go that far with a N/A 4l aswell, i do really like the potential in them, although, i did push mine a fair way N/A, i just couldnt resist a 500hp turbo setup. i would like to push one as far as possible, running 6 throttle setup, massive cam etc. i wonder who will crack 200rwkw in a N/A 4l first, i dont think thats been done yet??? theres a guy on fordmods building one with about 12--13:1 compression with flat top forgies etc and it will be running methanol, interesting to see how that works.

as for other people knowing how to get the 4l going, sure, i bet that just about all workshops could get the same results, BUT, until someone does come out and beat JMM, then they are king still arent they?? dont get me wrong, i am no fan off JMM at all, i dont think they do anything extraordinary, i wouldnt use any of their products, it's just that they do happen to hold the title.

as for people running 14.2 etc, and saying, "ive only got a xr6 engine and thats all" hey fair enough, BUT, this comes back to exactly what i said before, you are at the pointy end of spending a HEAP of cash, and getting very little gains, you could spend an extra 5k N/A and still only go 13.9... you have a cam, intake exhaust etc, thats the easy, bang for buck things that get instant gains.. what would you plan to do to get down to 13.5 even??

this is why i went turbo, the limit N/A is nothing too exciting power or 1/4 wise... driveability suffers, and the guy who spent the equal amounts of cash going turbo is miles ahead

BI6TIM · 11-07-2006, 06:25 PM

ebs 4l, I can agree with most things that you've said. Kelvin and I have also heavily considered going turbo but decided against it for now because lots of people are doing it because it's easy power. No one, to my knowlege, has gone as far with the N/A 4L as Kelvin has. We are just about to pull my engine bay apart now but I haven't decided how silly I'm gonna be with it. I'm thinking it's gonna be pretty spastic cause they now make all sorts of cool stuff for the 4L, like H beam rods and and elaborate aray of forged pistons.

Oh and Kel's car is using Haltech E6X for engine management.

I still think there is plenty of stuff that hasn't been done yet with the 4L. I'm excited to explore the options and see just how nasty an N/A 4L can be.

ebs_4l · 11-07-2006, 08:20 PM

one thing i do see as a challenge, and very possible with the right budget, is taking out hp heroes at summernats N/A 6cyl class, its usually won by a 265... i can see, a multithrottle 4l coming up with the power to do it.. from memory its about the 240rwkw mark???

the cam i have for my turbo, if ground with a 110deg or tighter lobe seperation would be crazy in n/a form, since it has over 300deg duration... has anyone else on here used a 300deg cam in a 4l??? mine has 242deg at .050" and .576" lift, the one thing that tames it for my turbo is its 115deg lobe sep

BI6TIM · 13-07-2006, 07:29 AM

I don't think Kelvin is interested in winning Dyno comps. His interests have changed in the last 6 months of so. If you're a Queenslander you can look forward to seeing this brock where it belongs.....Drifting it's heart out at QLD Raceway!!!
Unfortunately it probably won't be finnished for powercruise this year but there are plenty of days and nights that drifting goes on out there so I'll keep anyone, who might want to come out, posted.

As for cam specs ebs 4l, I can't tell about Kel's cam for two reasons: He doesn't want me too and secondly I don't know the cam specs. I can tell you it was designed by Phil Duggen of Sure Cam. Phil works in with a lot of good engine builders to do the cams for the motors they build ie: Kelvin's motor.

BI6TIM · 13-07-2006, 05:39 PM

I'll be posting more photo's of things as they are completed. Hopefully not too long.

ebs_4l · 13-07-2006, 07:36 PM

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I can tell you it was designed by Phil Duggen of Sure Cam.

he's an absolute mad bastard, he knows his **** alright, he ground my cam for me... one of the best things ive bought

BI6TIM · 13-07-2006, 07:48 PM

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he's an absolute mad bastard, he knows his **** alright, he ground my cam for me... one of the best things ive bought

Correct, he is awesome! I'm just about to buy another cam off him for my new engine.