Old School vs Generation Y

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

They were made for the purpose of the time
Dont ever remember the prehistoric GTHO being to shabby on power, slow by todays standards, but it didnt have multi cam, injection, turbos, a computer running it
I dont think the new breed of V8s with all this,injection, computers, maybe turbos are to shabby on their emmissions, economy,power either

Considering the old school cars were as simple to make , as simple to maintain(you didnt need a science degree to do an oil change) they seem to have been goin for along time , many been round the clock many times

The new breed dont have as many non servicable parts in them , the part works or it doesnt , non greasable moving parts, thats a step forward ......

Yes it was fast for its time, but you'll find even modern V8s are a lot cleaner with what comes out of the exhaust. Remember when Top Gear Australia put the GTHO around the track and a FG XT beat it? Thats the thing, back in the 70s it was amazing, not by todays standards.

I wasn't around in 1970, hence why I don't really appreciate the cars from back then.

New cars aren't hard to maintain, oil and filter is still easy, most cars these days have HLAs, so no checking/adjusting valve clearances.

Modern engines also have much tighter clearances, use thinner oils and go longer between each oil and filter change.

EFI was invented because of emissions regulations, carby simply wouldn't cut it anymore, there are a lot of benefits in regards to everything when it comes to EFI; power, emissions, cold starts, etc. Being able to time precisely how much fuel and exactly what time it goes in and managing spark has its benefits.

Everyone thinks new cars aren't reliable, but in over 300,000km we haven't had many issues with the old mans 2003 Mazda 323, or in 250,000km my mums 1999 WF Festiva, my 2010 Focus had an issue with a dodgy battery but that wasn't the cars fault.

How many people would go back to driving a car from the 60s/70s as their main car after the last 40 years of improvements?

[washoutbeach]

Its always a laugh to see Gen Y or Gen Q or whoever feeling proud and haughty about their prancy hybrid cars.

Of course they are actually catastrophic for the environment and their batteries are glow- in- the- dark toxic.

Toyota spewed when an independent report found that over comparable life-times, thirsty Hummers are much better for the world than Prius's.

But it seems to me that in the battle for hearts and minds, it seems people are more interested in image and impressions as opposed to fact.

Now the two big problems with the feral greenies:-

1. They think their views and beleifs are more correct than ours-which is basically disrespectful and wrong.

2. They don't offer environmental solutions that prevent old, poor and sick people from suffering.

You see the very wealthy dont care about the carbon tax, because they can
afford it. Such is life. But for the vast majority of us its painful, distressing and inhuman.

It makes me sick to think that pensioners and struggle-street folk will have to freeze or boil because of lack of resources ( in a country with massive wealth). Its a disaster that people are looking to discard their beloved old big cars because some cardigan wearing woofta doesn't like the look of them.

And if we are honest, Carbon tax, hybrid cars, most of these green ways-do nothing for the environment at all. They appeal to people who are basically stupid, selfish and have an ego problem.

Freedom, liberty, voluntary care of the environment is OK.

But all this hard line environmentalism feral champaign socialist stuff- no sir, I do not agree.

I dont own one, but I will defend anyones right to own a Massive v8 and drive with air con up full bore full with the windows down!

[2011G6E]

They're exactly damn right...

The running costs have come out of electric cars...and they're shocking compared to ordinary cars. They didn't include the "as yet unknown" future resale value...but the outlook wasn't good.

Yes, I can go in and buy a brand new four stroke lawnmower for under $200...will it last as well as the twenty year old Victa I also have in the shed? Doubt it. Will it outlast the fifty year old Pope push mower I also have in the shed...like buggery it will.

Yes, I have a house full of computers, TV's, DVD players, and other electronic devices of a wide and bewildering variety...but back when we looked forward to such a future, it included very cheap and easy electricity from nuclear power stations. The only way cheap old coal fired power costs so much is because of artificial means like a carbon tax and government regulations.

Yes, my brand new four liter six cylinder G6E gets better economy than my 1982 Toyota Celica four cylinder five speed...but will the G6E still be rolling along like new in thirty years? Doubt it.

[OffRoadFalcon]

Originally Posted by Chopped

And yet it is being sent via email........

It's easy to reminisce about the "good ol' days" BUT most of the changes to society have been made by "old schoolers", either in business or government.


We all know Gen X rocks
Boo-Yah

... and Gen Y sucks, in many ways anyway, IMO. Despite me being it...

Can't get a good lot of my friends away from a screen now! Maybe thanks to you old timers for inventing them :P

[Maka]

Great thread Plucka,

todays gen are just jealous because we got milk in glass bottles at school..lol[/QUOTE]

...yep and it was for free lol!

Technology for technology's sake? or is it progress? or is it lets suck the worlds resources dry quickly while we can.....ethical consumerism? pure capitalisim? WTF is that? Damn it lets just kill the world - World i kill you! i'm off to get another mobile phone and this one's got..... Sound familiar?

Gen Y will become the most important generation in the very near future but when the time comes i pray they dont lose interest too quickly....... because i cant wait for Forza 7 & COD World in Flames to be released then.

ps,sincere apoligies to any one offended

cheers,Maka (S) for STRAIGHT OLd Scho0ler, ya dirty little #$@%

[poppa smurf]

yeah!.....all true but I am in no hurry to go back to those days

good days but very hard

[OffRoadFalcon]

Originally Posted by Maka

Great thread Plucka,

todays gen are just jealous because we got milk in glass bottles at school..lol

...yep and it was for free lol!

Technology for technology's sake? or is it progress? or is it lets suck the worlds resources dry quickly while we can.....ethical consumerism? pure capitalisim? WTF is that? Damn it lets just kill the world - World i kill you! i'm off to get another mobile phone and this one's got..... Sound familiar?

Gen Y will become the most important generation in the very near future but when the time comes i pray they dont lose interest too quickly....... because i cant wait for Forza 7 & COD World in Flames to be released then.

ps,sincere apoligies to any one offended

cheers,Maka (S) for STRAIGHT OLd Scho0ler, ya dirty little #$@%[/QUOTE]

edit: Dunno what happended here above... ^^^^^^ imagine it in a quote box
Haha! This definitely sounds familiar! A few friends I have get new phones every couple of months! No I'm not kidding!

I don't even have a phone I just borrow the parents mobiles when I need one.

Haha Maka, if everyone else's story about that milk is like my Mum's, then we aren't jealous!! Milk thats been left in the sun in a hot wheatbelt town for a few hours........... lovely.

[DJR-351]

As we get older we sometimes begin to doubt our ability to "make a difference" in the world. It is at these times that our hopes are boosted by the remarkable achievements of other "seniors" who have found the courage to take on challenges that would make many of us wither, Harold Schlumberg is such a person:

THIS IS QUOTED FROM HAROLD:

"I've often been asked, 'What do you do now that you're retired?'
Well...I'm fortunate to have a chemical engineering background and one of the things I enjoy most is converting beer, wine and whisky into urine. It's rewarding, uplifting, satisfying and fulfilling. I do it every day and I really enjoy it."

Old Harold is an inspiration to us all.

[gtfpv]

whats happening todayhas nothing to do with GEN Y . it's the gen x'ers and baby boomers who created the throw away society we now live in .
how can GEN Y , ( living at home , popping pills in night clubs with your trousers around your knees , playing games on touch screens all day ) be responsible for anything other than showing the world that your knees can somehow hold up your pants .

[ratter]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

how can GEN Y , ( living at home , popping pills in night clubs with your trousers around your knees , playing games on touch screens all day ) be responsible for anything other than showing the world that your knees can somehow hold up your pants .

[Maka]

Grinzy, back then the trick was to get to (primary) school early enough to get the fresh stuff lol! We'd get in line, teachers handout the milk, have a race with your mate sculling the nice cold milk then go kick a footy around for a bit before going into class. Great positive start to the day for the kids. God bless old Gough lol!

cheers,Maka

[Maka]

Originally Posted by poppa smurf

yeah!.....all true but I am in no hurry to go back to those days

good days but very hard

Your dead right poppa but at least we were fitter back then lol.

cheers, Maka

[washoutbeach]

The only good use for a hybrid car is to jump start a GT.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by washoutbeach

The only good use for a hybrid car is to jump start a GT.

even then, a manual and a hill would be a more dignified effort

[RUXTON]

Today's generation is full of soft c**ks. I'm 16 so I guess I am a part of it. I love nowadays technology but with that comes more problems. I mean, more stuff to go wrong in cars, a good reason why i have an EL falcon

[flappist]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

even then, a manual and a hill would be a more dignified effort

Shame it won't work.

If the battery is below a preset voltage the computers will not allow the vehicle to start.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by flappist

Shame it won't work.

If the battery is below a preset voltage the computers will not allow the vehicle to start.

thats exactly right . since the mid early 1990's clutching a car with a flat battery wont work at all .

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by flappist

Shame it won't work.

If the battery is below a preset voltage the computers will not allow the vehicle to start.

i am living in the past - while i understand that eb's onwards are worthy of the gt badge, in my mind when i hear gt, i only think up to xb

[karj]

Originally Posted by washoutbeach

Its always a laugh to see Gen Y or Gen Q or whoever feeling proud and haughty about their prancy hybrid cars.

Of course they are actually catastrophic for the environment and their batteries are glow- in- the- dark toxic.

Toyota spewed when an independent report found that over comparable life-times, thirsty Hummers are much better for the world than Prius's.

But it seems to me that in the battle for hearts and minds, it seems people are more interested in image and impressions as opposed to fact.

Now the two big problems with the feral greenies:-

1. They think their views and beleifs are more correct than ours-which is basically disrespectful and wrong.

2. They don't offer environmental solutions that prevent old, poor and sick people from suffering.

You see the very wealthy dont care about the carbon tax, because they can
afford it. Such is life. But for the vast majority of us its painful, distressing and inhuman.

It makes me sick to think that pensioners and struggle-street folk will have to freeze or boil because of lack of resources ( in a country with massive wealth). Its a disaster that people are looking to discard their beloved old big cars because some cardigan wearing woofta doesn't like the look of them.

And if we are honest, Carbon tax, hybrid cars, most of these green ways-do nothing for the environment at all. They appeal to people who are basically stupid, selfish and have an ego problem.

Freedom, liberty, voluntary care of the environment is OK.

But all this hard line environmentalism feral champaign socialist stuff- no sir, I do not agree.

I dont own one, but I will defend anyones right to own a Massive v8 and drive with air con up full bore full with the windows down!

I think one of the problems with the whole evironmental debate is that we've essentially got one vocal extreme debating another vocal extreme. Apocalyptic scenario vs nothing is wrong.

It's always going to end in tears.

When you look at who is overly vocal on the issue... it's sort of like... we've got Al Gore & Tim Flannery in one corner, debating Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones in the other. A career politician and a paleontologist debating a journalist and a radio broadcaster on enviromental science. WTF?

As for an ETS not doing anything for the environment, that's not quite correct. Emissions trading has been around for years and used very successfully in the USA to control emissions that caused acid rain. It is not an economic model spawned to deal solely with climate change. Emissions trading was developed to be 'flexible regulation' so that change could be achieved without draconian regulation that stifled industry or caused skyrocketing prices. Voluntary care of the environment doesn't work.

At the end of the day though, an ETS will cause prices to rise... and that's what people on the street living their day to day lives really care about. I remember saying to my brother back in 2007 when most people believed in climate change... 'just wait till they find out it will cost them money'

As to the orginal post though... I don't really buy into generational warfare. Some things previous generations did better and some things the new generation do better. Just a fact of life.

[TheInterceptor]

Can't wait for my Nokia to die! Don't think ill be replacing it when it does go. Though it has helped me get out of a pinch once before.

Hate my gen, hate how society turned out, hate most people, hate eco greenie yuppies and all this emissions rubbish. I'm a cranky bastard at 19...sue me..and being the year 2012, somebody probably will

The "olden days" appeared to have had less dropkicks present on the planet

[RUXTON]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Hate my gen, hate how society turned out, hate most people, hate eco greenie yuppies and all this emissions rubbish. I'm a cranky bastard at 19...sue me..and being the year 2012, somebody probably will

The "olden days" appeared to have had less dropkicks present on the planet

Oh man I hate yuppies and I'm younger again (16). Lets all go drink overpriced coffee at a vineyard and drive our hybrid or our BMW there!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Can't wait for my Nokia to die! Don't think ill be replacing it when it does go. Though it has helped me get out of a pinch once before.

Hate my gen, hate how society turned out, hate most people, hate eco greenie yuppies and all this emissions rubbish. I'm a cranky bastard at 19...sue me..and being the year 2012, somebody probably will

The "olden days" appeared to have had less dropkicks present on the planet

thats not true mate , there have always been drop kicks around . many 19 year old males have extreme anger issues and always have , its something that happens to us at that age and earlier . from 13 to 30 , after age 35 youv'e usually lost your nut and settle down a bit as you realise anger was just something in your head , and in every mans head . its just the we we are .
if you want to have a laugh , ask an old person to move out of your way / or see if any move out of your way and courtious towards you . they are old arragant people who push in and think they have all the rights in the woreld , you think they were different when they were younger ?
when i grew up if i swore at one of them , i wouyld be picked up by the hair and thrown over the fence to the evil dog/ and be thankfull my parents didnt find out . this created respect .

[burnz]

hi im garry o'callaghan it's 8 o clock and here's sammy sparrow...lol

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by RUXTON

Oh man I hate yuppies and I'm younger again (16). Lets all go drink overpriced coffee at a vineyard and drive our hybrid or our BMW there!

Haha! Too right.

Originally Posted by gtfpv

thats not true mate , there have always been drop kicks around . many 19 year old males have extreme anger issues and always have , its something that happens to us at that age and earlier . from 13 to 30 , after age 35 youv'e usually lost your nut and settle down a bit as you realise anger was just something in your head , and in every mans head . its just the we we are .
if you want to have a laugh , ask an old person to move out of your way / or see if any move out of your way and courtious towards you . they are old arragant people who push in and think they have all the rights in the woreld , you think they were different when they were younger ?
when i grew up if i swore at one of them , i wouyld be picked up by the hair and thrown over the fence to the evil dog/ and be thankfull my parents didnt find out . this created respect .

Apon re-reading my post, yes that would be right.

Some people are just headcases from day dot no matter what

[MWTB]

Almost 7.30; better have my glass of warm milk and get to bed, it's getting late.

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

They're exactly damn right...

The running costs have come out of electric cars...and they're shocking compared to ordinary cars. They didn't include the "as yet unknown" future resale value...but the outlook wasn't good.

Yes, I can go in and buy a brand new four stroke lawnmower for under $200...will it last as well as the twenty year old Victa I also have in the shed? Doubt it. Will it outlast the fifty year old Pope push mower I also have in the shed...like buggery it will.

Yes, I have a house full of computers, TV's, DVD players, and other electronic devices of a wide and bewildering variety...but back when we looked forward to such a future, it included very cheap and easy electricity from nuclear power stations. The only way cheap old coal fired power costs so much is because of artificial means like a carbon tax and government regulations.

Yes, my brand new four liter six cylinder G6E gets better economy than my 1982 Toyota Celica four cylinder five speed...but will the G6E still be rolling along like new in thirty years? Doubt it.

If your G6E is maintained properly, of course it will be rolling like new in 30 years.

I think we have a romantic view of old cars when in all realism, they did not make them to last; they made them to rust.

People say cars aren't made out of steel anymore. Really? So because the bumpers are plastic, then the whole car is?

My 18 yr old NC, 17 yr old EF and 26 yr old XF have never been restored and have absolutely NO rust. Rewind to the glory days of the 70s. I reckon XA-XCs were already rusting from factory!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by flappist

Shame it won't work.

If the battery is below a preset voltage the computers will not allow the vehicle to start.

Had that problem with my Focus, battery dropped a cell and wouldn't hold any charge.

So I go to roll start it down the hill, and I end up with a dead car, at the bottom of the hill which I can't push back up. Get the old man's Mazda 323 to save the day to jump start it, but its small battery doesn't have enough juice to turn over a diesel engine fast enough even while its running.

So I left it there for the day, come back and get the mightly EL Falcon which saves the day, being able to jump start the Focus.

Roll start on a modern car will only work if there is enough juice to power up the ECU and other modules.

[ratter]

Older cars will outlast todays cars based on the same treatment and conditions!

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by ratter

Older cars will outlast todays cars based on the same treatment and conditions!

I used to think this was true. I don't think this is the case anymore.

That line of thinking has been around since the 80s. As I said in my previous post, my 80s and 90s Fords have lasted without RUSTING, which is something I cannot say for cars in the 60s and 70s.

I'll try and give an example. My 18 yr old NC Fairlane Ghia has absolutely NO rust. It is in fantastic condition. Now let's look at XA Falcons. They were 18 in 1990, right? How many unrestored XA Falcons in 1990 had no rust?

What I'm trying to say, is that all things being equal, while cars of today may not have chrome bumpers, the technology and quality, together with the improvements in rust treatments etc actually sees them lasting longer.

[ratter]

I've been working on cars now for over 30 years so I guess that makes me a little qualified to voice an opinion on something I see day in and day out.
Rust is not the only thing that will cause a car to deteriorate.
But speaking of rust, Only 2 weeks ago I had a territory on the hoist, it was rusting around the front rails near the firewall, this was a 2 year old car that does not tow a boat at all, speaking of territories, we see quite a few rusting under the bonnet near the firewall, what do you think these will be like in 5 or even 10 years time?

I'm not living in the past thinking that old cars are better than new cars, far from it and in fact have been known to preach to some die hards that think a car with chrome bumpers is far superior than a car with plastic bumpers.