Arrrrrgghh!! My New Car!!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by big_landau

in my experiences a factory paint job is the best.if the car is repaired i can guarantee it wont be as good as a factory paint job.i personally wouldnt take the car.

measure for measure . factory paint is consistant around a vehicle . it is done by robots , human hands cannot do better than robots - think of welding consistancy , human hand versus robots .
comparing the two though is like is like comparing the taste of 2 oranges off different trees .
a proper proffessional paint job with time and effort would be far superior than a ford falcon single coat factory paint job , but would it be better than a premium euro vehicle factory paint job .
panel beaters paint work comes down to time and effort and products applied with experience involved as well . jojos panel repairs isnt going to do the same job as porsche spray painting specialists . in other words there is a great difference in paint finish on a $3000 job versus $30 000 .

[drew`SEVNT5]

Wow.

Lotsa out of proportion over reaction in this thread...

Ask for a new car? Really? REALLY?

Just get them to fix the bloody thing, in my experience, if the shop is good, then the paint will be even better than factory..

[ute83]

Originally Posted by drew`SEVNT5

Wow.

Lotsa out of proportion over reaction in this thread...

Ask for a new car? Really? REALLY?

Just get them to fix the bloody thing, in my experience, if the shop is good, then the paint will be even better than factory..

But you will always know that it's not a new car. It would play funny buggers with my head. No way would i take it.....

[Gaz]

It's just a new paint job.. It will be better than factory. No orange peel FTW.


I agree it should be resprayed and it's good their doing it. You drive you car, at some point it will have a dent/scratch and stone chip - probably in the near future.

[FGII-XR6]

it is still a new car , a large number of cars have paint repairs before leaving the factory and a good paint shop will equal or better the factory finish

Originally Posted by ute83

But you will always know that it's not a new car. It would play funny buggers with my head. No way would i take it.....

[drew`SEVNT5]

Originally Posted by ute83

But you will always know that it's not a new car. It would play funny buggers with my head. No way would i take it.....

Then, with all respect, I think you have bigger issues that a resprayed roof...

[ute83]

Originally Posted by drew`SEVNT5

Then, with all respect, I think you have bigger issues that a resprayed roof...

With all due respect, I think you mean "than". Maybe you have never had a brand new car. Anyway FFS it's a brand new car, it would be a different story if it was a second hand car.

[ute83]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

it is still a new car , a large number of cars have paint repairs before leaving the factory and a good paint shop will equal or better the factory finish

Some cars go their whole life without needing a paint repair. I have seen paint jobs start to wear off where they join the factory paint.

[greens_tuf]

Originally Posted by drew`SEVNT5

Then, with all respect, I think you have bigger issues that a resprayed roof...

Nah mate, I must have issues with my head too! I know exactly what that guy is saying...

[Smoke Pursuit]

why accept it.. It will never be 100% like the factory...

Tell them to order you another one, or swap the spare wheel with another one they have in stock (all they have to do is swap the wheel / boot carpet over).

Its not hard, dont do it because you will always know its been damaged, and trust me even tho you think it might match, it will only match because they have blended it..

[BadMax]

This thread has an amazing amount of opinions.

For starters, you will in no way shape or form get a new car, no matter how much you jump up or down, go to court what ever, it wont happen. We don't have lemon laws here and these laws wouldn't protect you from something so minor.

I have been in the panel industry for about 20 years, most of you wouldn't have a clue about how many cars get repaired before being given to the owner. I dare say at least onw other poster in this thread has a repair on their car and not know about it.

gtfpv, ever taken a tour of an OEM paint shop? The robots are hardly perfect, actualy they are far from it, human application by someone who is talented is far more accurate. I have measured factory finishes on Aussie built cars that vary from 120um at the front to 80 um at the rear. To demonstrate the fact, I just took measurements off my FG XR6T in Sillhouette and recorded as low as 102um and as high as 145um. Every manufacturer uses a process called product optimisation, in other words lets skimp on paint until it's just barely enough. My Falcons bonnet is a different colour to the gaurds but has never been painted, not that anyone untrained has picked it, I still know.

Just get the roof fixed, make sure it's looks like the rest of the car, in other words not too flat and the colour is ok and move on.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by BadMax

This thread has an amazing amount of opinions.

For starters, you will in no way shape or form get a new car, no matter how much you jump up or down, go to court what ever, it wont happen. We don't have lemon laws here and these laws wouldn't protect you from something so minor.

I have been in the panel industry for about 20 years, most of you wouldn't have a clue about how many cars get repaired before being given to the owner. I dare say at least onw other poster in this thread has a repair on their car and not know about it.

gtfpv, ever taken a tour of an OEM paint shop? The robots are hardly perfect, actualy they are far from it, human application by someone who is talented is far more accurate. I have measured factory finishes on Aussie built cars that vary from 120um at the front to 80 um at the rear. To demonstrate the fact, I just took measurements off my FG XR6T in Sillhouette and recorded as low as 102um and as high as 145um. Every manufacturer uses a process called product optimisation, in other words lets skimp on paint until it's just barely enough. My Falcons bonnet is a different colour to the gaurds but has never been painted, not that anyone untrained has picked it, I still know.

Just get the roof fixed, make sure it's looks like the rest of the car, in other words not too flat and the colour is ok and move on.

Well considering he hasnt paid for it or taken delivery of it then i think hes in a strong position.

I had a BFII Pursuit replaced by Ford back in 2007 because of a factory paint botch up.. Took me 2 weeks and lots of phone calls but I won!

[CAMS290]

There is a panel shop in Ringwood VIC and all I see when I go pass the place is brand new Fords and Holdens out the front, must be a hell of a lot of pre delivery repairs done on new car paintwork is all I can say, I am always amazed at how many new cars are there.

[jixel 78]

Take delivery and drive it for gods sake. Its just a bloody Falcon. Cash sale was it? Mmmmmm. It`ll have plenty of blemishes when you trade it on the new Taurus.

[Joshmcmillan]

Originally Posted by jixel 78

Take delivery and drive it for gods sake. Its just a bloody Falcon. Cash sale was it? Mmmmmm. It`ll have plenty of blemishes when you trade it on the new Taurus.

Don't you take any pride in your car's simply because they're Falcon's?? He's obviously upset with the problem, as would I be and I'm sure most people here would be, it doesn't matter that it's a Falcon......

Hope you enjoy the Taurus.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by BadMax

This thread has an amazing amount of opinions.

For starters, you will in no way shape or form get a new car, no matter how much you jump up or down, go to court what ever, it wont happen. We don't have lemon laws here and these laws wouldn't protect you from something so minor.

I have been in the panel industry for about 20 years, most of you wouldn't have a clue about how many cars get repaired before being given to the owner. I dare say at least onw other poster in this thread has a repair on their car and not know about it.

gtfpv, ever taken a tour of an OEM paint shop? The robots are hardly perfect, actualy they are far from it, human application by someone who is talented is far more accurate. I have measured factory finishes on Aussie built cars that vary from 120um at the front to 80 um at the rear. To demonstrate the fact, I just took measurements off my FG XR6T in Sillhouette and recorded as low as 102um and as high as 145um. Every manufacturer uses a process called product optimisation, in other words lets skimp on paint until it's just barely enough. My Falcons bonnet is a different colour to the gaurds but has never been painted, not that anyone untrained has picked it, I still know.

Just get the roof fixed, make sure it's looks like the rest of the car, in other words not too flat and the colour is ok and move on.

hi mate thanks for the info . it's good to read about the hi tech side of things .
you have to remember that most of us cannot pick what you can ( you can see fault in cars that others see as perfect. this is my point mr average should not be able to obviously pick a fault in the paint that all the pros have missed !!!!!! and furthermore , why is it that people take delivery of a car that has had paint touch ups without ever knowing . and others pick up the car in good faith only to get it fixed and drive off after an argument with the painters with a different coloured panel ??? happens too often . and that doesnt say too much for the proffessional better than factory repair at all.
if you read what i have just said in this post , and then read my previous one , you will relate that i have experienced every facet of what i have stated . . too many painters boast , but how many have happy customers who cant tell their car has been painted.- i can answer that for you , it's the ones who never seen pre damage , and the cars that are prepped well are the ones yet to be sold , so no body knows . and i woud say this is because the car is repaired pass a trade worthy inspection before it is sent to the yard . ( thats my opinion anyhow ) .

[jixel 78]

Problems problems. Everyone wants a showcar. People are trying to replicate factory markings these days. At least his car is `unique`. Until it gets buried into the back of a Land Rover on the way to a barbeque watching the sat nav while making a call on the bluetooth.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by jixel 78

Problems problems. Everyone wants a showcar. People are trying to replicate factory markings these days. At least his car is `unique`. Until it gets buried into the back of a Land Rover on the way to a barbeque watching the sat nav while making a call on the bluetooth.

thats the attitude of a pessimist !! why by new then when you can buy one a few months old with a ding in it and never have to worry about it ?

[jixel 78]

Maybe even start a `blemish` comp.
My blemish is the shape of a strawberry.
My blemish has orbiting moons.
My blemish has a gender.

[AussieAV]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, both the serious ones and the, shall we say, passionate ones.

I picked the car up today and was happy to part with my money. The car looked brilliant. I had visited the panel shop last week and saw it all prepped just prior to it being painted, so I know they actually did the whole roof. Dealer and Panel Shop handled this very well and answered all my concerns.

At the end of the day, it became obvious that even if I had pushed for another car, there was no way of knowing what it may have had done to it prior to handover anyway.

There is no telling what other warranty issues may come up in the next 3 years. If any do come up, I'd rather the dealer remember me as the guy who worked sensibly through the issue with them, rather than someone who made their life hell. Pretty sure thats the better way to be taken care of in the future.

Got some new wheels, tyres and tint coming, so will post some pics soon.

[Grippy]

That's a good result, now enjoy your new car!

[seduced_xr]

oh dear.. another FG paint stuff up, we have Seduce and its currently flaking off the front and rear bars and the rear wing.. the fun begins.

[mik]

perhaps get a proviso written up in the contract ,you will only take delivery of the car if .......
A. the paint is repaired to your satisfaction
B. you get a paint gaurantee for x amount of years(say 5) if the damaged area changes color ,peels, goes bad in anyway it will be fixed for free to your satisfaction.

[AussieAV]

Originally Posted by mik

perhaps get a proviso written up in the contract ,you will only take delivery of the car if .......
A. the paint is repaired to your satisfaction
B. you get a paint gaurantee for x amount of years(say 5) if the damaged area changes color ,peels, goes bad in anyway it will be fixed for free to your satisfaction.

A. Done
B. and Done

Cheers Mik

[GT450]

Well done aussieav you took the correct ,civilised approach with your dealer and he will remember you for it, never minding what half the blowtorch answers you got on here and where they may have got you. Now get out and enjoy your new vehicle and let us all know what your thoughts are.
Cheers
GT450

[nicco]

Glad to hear you got it all sorted.

Just a bit of a story with the repairs on new cars though, my mum bought a new corolla in about 2001. A year or so later someone backed into the right hand rear door.

When we took it to the panel beaters, they had a terrible time trying to get the ding out... turned out the whole door skin was rippled badly, bogged over and repainted. We never even knew!!

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by CAMS290

There is a panel shop in Ringwood VIC and all I see when I go pass the place is brand new Fords and Holdens out the front, must be a hell of a lot of pre delivery repairs done on new car paintwork is all I can say, I am always amazed at how many new cars are there.

It's kept a mate and the panel/paint shop he works for fully employed for years, and as pointed out by another poster, most of these new car owners would not know their car has had a touch up after leaving the factory....

[cedric]

mate of mine works local ford they got a new xr6 that was floor stock from another dealer. while final delivery deatailing it they found stone chips that had been painted over and apon very close look it was a different colour underneath. apperently the other dealer ripped the blue xr6 front off on a hoist or something and grabbed a 2nd hand yellow one from somewhere and had it painted, stone chips and all. how would you be if that was your NEW car. the local guys got a brand new one before delivery obviously.

[Fez WQ]

Mate let them fix it and you take the car..... nearly All cars get touched up by the time we get them

A good panel and paint shop will do a great job anyway.

My Brother inlaw works on the production line for Holden he says most cars get some sort of touch up very few miss out !!

Just take it

[gtfpv]

all sorted . well done . you handled it wisely .