LDV eDeliver 9 Electric Van

[Swordie]

LDV's site says the below for warranty for eDeliver. If the van is used 200Kms per day it will run out of warranty in under 3.5 years based on 160,000km limit. I wonder what the cost is to replace the batteries. I have spoken to a few taxi drivers and they have indicated Camry Hybrids generally need their batteries replaced every 3 years for approx $2700. It's my understanding fast charging wears batteries quicker.


LDV eDeliver 9 Warranty

"Work without worry with LDV’s comprehensive factory-backed 5-year or 160,000km warranty⁴ (whichever occurs first) on every new eDeliver 9. Your eDeliver 9 battery also comes with an 8-year or 160,000km warranty⁴ (whichever occurs first) for even more peace of mind".

"4 - Subject to terms, conditions and exclusions at ldvautomotive.com.au".

https://www.ldvautomotive.com.au/veh...dv-edeliver-9/

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Swordie

LDV's site says the below for warranty for eDeliver. If the van is used 200Kms per day it will run out of warranty in under 3.5 years based on 160,000km limit. I wonder what the cost is to replace the batteries. I have spoken to a few taxi drivers and they have indicated Camry Hybrids generally need their batteries replaced every 3 years for approx $2700. It's my understanding fast charging wears batteries quicker.


LDV eDeliver 9 Warranty

"Work without worry with LDV’s comprehensive factory-backed 5-year or 160,000km warranty⁴ (whichever occurs first) on every new eDeliver 9. Your eDeliver 9 battery also comes with an 8-year or 160,000km warranty⁴ (whichever occurs first) for even more peace of mind".

"4 - Subject to terms, conditions and exclusions at ldvautomotive.com.au".

https://www.ldvautomotive.com.au/veh...dv-edeliver-9/

As with anything, just because your warranty expires doesn't mean the car just stops working. My GTF is out of warranty and my BA ran well over 220,000kms before any issues. EVs are no different. Other brands have batteries lasting well over 400,000 kms.

You are right that fast charging can hurt some battery types but if the cooling/heating system for the batteries are good, it will be minimal impact.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by kypez

I'd expect heavy haulage to switch to Hydrogen as well in the future. Makes sense for them. Could you imagine an EV Road Train with todays technology?!

Or they can finally connect rail better and reduce the need for trucks all together but I don't see that happening any time soon. And for the last mile linkage.

Have you seen what's involved in making Hydrogen and the tare weight of the truck when installed.

This is easily the most frustrating part about hydrogen fuel cell-powered vehicles. The whole purpose of a hydrogen vehicle is that it has no emissions versus an ICE counterpart, yet the vast majority of the energy used to create hydrogen (it’s not an available resource, it must be extracted/created using existing resources) comes from natural gas. And this isn’t going to change anytime soon, and for a very simple reason: natural gas hydrogen formation is cheap, thus it will result in lower prices for the consumer. If consumers have the option between cheap hydrogen, or expensive hydrogen created with (the wasteful use of) renewable energy sources, they’ll choose what’s cheaper.

According to the Bosch Automotive Handbook, during the process of creating hydrogen using natural gas, there isn’t necessarily a CO2 emissions advantage versus using gasoline, diesel, or natural gas in internal combustion engines.

At least Volvo trucks are not just jumping on the bandwagon.

Volvo Trucks (not to be confused with Volvo Cars) already sells battery-electric commercial trucks, but is now experimenting with hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles.

The company on Monday unveiled its first fuel-cell trucks, with a claimed 600-mile range, 15-minute refueling time, and 65-ton hauling capacity. The truck uses two onboard fuel cells with a 300-kw combined capacity supplied by Cellcentric, a joint venture between Volvo Group and Daimler AG, according to a Volvo press release.
Volvo is taking a pragmatic approach to fuel cells, which it views was merely one of three options to reduce emissions alongside batteries and renewable fuels such as biogas. Instead of attempting a breakneck development pace, Volvo said customer pilots will start in a few years, with commercialization later in the decade.

The slow pace is in part due to the lack of refueling infrastructure and green hydrogen, according to Volvo. Only green hydrogen, which is produced using renewable energy, provides an emissions benefit. Other production methods can still be quite carbon-intensive.

As for rail, don't hold your breath, its gonna be awhile, the incompetent ARTC butchering the main Melbourne-$ydney corridor (again)
I don't know how this inept government corporation stays in business with the idiots who run it.

Time to buy more carbon credits. "If you have it a truck brought it."

[Franco Cozzo]

LDV eT60 review - and it blows goats:

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...review-138473/

Why would you price it so expensively - an EV has less components than a traditional ICE car

[Franco Cozzo]

Roev Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger EVs priced


Roev Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger EVs priced
Australian start-up Roev reveals EV conversion pricing and specs for top-selling utes

Aussie EV start-up Roev has released proposed pricing and key product details for its local battery-electric conversions of the top-selling utes in Australia – the Toyota HiLux and Ford Ranger.

Applying to all body styles and driveline types for the HiLux and Ranger, spanning the 2016-2022 model years (which rules out Ford’s just-launched new-generation ute), the prices range from $47,990 to $57,990, depending on the donor vehicle and chosen battery capacity.

Roev’s ‘EV Fleet Program’ conversions will begin in the second quarter of next year, with two battery pack options available across all models – 64kWh and 96kWh.

According to the company, the Standard Range conversion will enable the Ranger and HiLux to cover up to 240km on a single charge, while the Extended Range battery ups that figure to 360km.


“There is huge demand for electric utes in Australia, particularly among large fleets,” said Roev CEO Noah Wasmer.

“We are actively listening to customers to ensure that our product solutions meet their operational needs.

“With a conversion, you’re not only adding an electric vehicle to your fleet, but you’re also taking a diesel vehicle off the road and preventing many years of future tailpipe CO2 emissions.”

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...priced-138543/

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...priced-138543/

Of course there is a demand for big business to buy their Green credentials.

Only yesterday I asked Elon what car should I buy.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

LDV eT60 review - and it blows goats:

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...review-138473/

Why would you price it so expensively - an EV has less components than a traditional ICE car

As with many automakers selling EV's of late, it seems they use the following pricing model:
previous ICE model costs $X
EV-only components cost $Y
Sell new EV only model for $X+$Y and gouge them all until one of our competitors decides otherwise.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...priced-138543/

So do I get to keep my ICE components after the conversion?

[Dr Smith]

It's one thing to charge more for a first to market product, it's another to charge massively more over the ICE version and do a "half-arsed" job creating it...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

It's one thing to charge more for a first to market product, it's another to charge massively more over the ICE version and do a "half-arsed" job creating it...

I think they need to put down the crack pipe and lay off the shard at LDV head office, there is no other explanation for it other than they're glass BBQ enthusiasts.

[smoo]

Chinese will have noted how devoted the gullible and hypocritical westerners are to this destructive and unquestionable 21st century religious cult of climate change.
Hike the price up as there’s no other alternative. Out of touch councils, state and federal Govts will purchase to be seen to do the right thing, along with large corporations with deep pockets.
Expect this and the Ute to have large financial incentives to attract sole traders and small business in the near future.
The hypocritical faux climate conscious white liberal is like those Christian men who hit the bottle then beat their missus and kids in the week, root the nanny or neighbour then turn up to church on Sunday.

[Citroënbender]

Interesting to read a little about Roev. I’ve got friends spinning a non-automotive project at present and it’s the same language, same manoeuvres. By the time they reach the public, these projects seem to lose any genuine merit…

[kevino]

A large traffic control company. Evolution. Qld/Nsw is converting 250 utes to roev ev big step.
Green the fleet to get contracts I guess. Somewhat virtue signalling as traffic control utes dont do big miles.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by kevino

A large traffic control company. Evolution. Qld/Nsw is converting 250 utes to roev ev big step.
Green the fleet to get contracts I guess. Somewhat virtue signalling as traffic control utes dont do big miles.

Thats what its all about as alluded to earlier here by various people.

I think a good lesson in life is its not about actually doing the right thing, its about being seen to be and pretending like you are which is more important.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kypez

I'd expect heavy haulage to switch to Hydrogen as well in the future. Makes sense for them. Could you imagine an EV Road Train with todays technology?!

Or they can finally connect rail better and reduce the need for trucks all together but I don't see that happening any time soon. And for the last mile linkage.

Germans are working on embedded charging in roads so that cars and trucks can charge up while on the move.
If that becomes viable, I can see a lot of range anxiety disappearing.
Lots of details to sort out but new ideas ar always refreshing….

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

A large traffic control company. Evolution. Qld/Nsw is converting 250 utes to roev ev big step.
Green the fleet to get contracts I guess. Somewhat virtue signalling as traffic control utes dont do big miles.

What about the virtue signalling of diesel at $2.33/litre, that’s the oil companies taking the pyss….
At some point the private sector is gonna switch en masses and middle finger the oil companies..


Diesel used to be a cheap fuel, that’s why transport switched to it but oil companies are now the ones
making many users feel unwelcome….

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Germans are working on embedded charging in roads so that cars and trucks can charge up while on the move.
If that becomes viable, I can see a lot of range anxiety disappearing.
Lots of details to sort out but new ideas ar always refreshing….

If you have a heart pacemaker I wonder what the consequences may be....might have a future option the "anti-magnetic field shield liner" option for future EV's.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

If you have a heart pacemaker I wonder what the consequences may be....might have a future option the "anti-magnetic field shield liner" option for future EV's.

Faraday cage/ screen made of flexible metallic fabric to protect occupants from magnetic field
Bwahahahahah

[CyberWasp]

Whilst not charge as you go technology it has almost the same effect.

Driving to work could be so much more fun.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...priced-138543/

Just out of interest, how do mining sites get their electricity? Do they use diesel generators or what?

Completely defeats the purpose if they are charging them off diesel generators.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

What about the virtue signalling of diesel at $2.33/litre, that’s the oil companies taking the pyss….
At some point the private sector is gonna switch en masses and middle finger the oil companies..


Diesel used to be a cheap fuel, that’s why transport switched to it but oil companies are now the ones
making many users feel unwelcome….

Diesel prices are taking the ****... When I can fill up with 98 for less per litre then wifeys Diesel SUV somethings wrong....

Keeps going this way, her next car will be Petrol or PHEV/Hybrid....

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Just out of interest, how do mining sites get their electricity? Do they use diesel generators or what?

Completely defeats the purpose if they are charging them off diesel generators.

Was talking to someone who works in the Pilbara region of WA at a large mine site, apparently at their site they have gas turbines.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Diesel prices are taking the ****... When I can fill up with 98 for less per litre then wifeys Diesel SUV somethings wrong....

Keeps going this way, her next car will be Petrol or PHEV/Hybrid....

According to ACCC this morning high diesel prices are due to supply limited by the Russian invasion of Ukraine so world-wide shortage of diesel...today in Melbourne the difference between 91ron petrol and diesel is over 50c/L. And then you have some freight companies charging a 25% fuel surcharge levy.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Was talking to someone who works in the Pilbara region of WA at a large mine site, apparently at their site they have gas turbines.

Talk about an own goal. I've heard it's a mixed bag, some run diesel gens, some gas, some small scale solar mixed in.

I wonder how many of these mine sites will virtue signal about running EV utes, while charging them from diesel gens or gas turbines? It's the green movement in a nutshell though.


EV would be an advantage underground though, no fumes.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Talk about an own goal. I've heard it's a mixed bag, some run diesel gens, some gas, some small scale solar mixed in.

I wonder how many of these mine sites will virtue signal about running EV utes, while charging them from diesel gens or gas turbines? It's the green movement in a nutshell though.


EV would be an advantage underground though, no fumes.

Likely a cost concern too. Simply able to reduce the amount of diesel used. Doesn't always have to be a green thing.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

According to ACCC this morning high diesel prices are due to supply limited by the Russian invasion of Ukraine so world-wide shortage of diesel...today in Melbourne the difference between 91ron petrol and diesel is over 50c/L. And then you have some freight companies charging a 25% fuel surcharge levy.

Combination of things, war uses a lot of diesel as well as the US was a huge producer of diesel, they reduced/stopped exports of diesel to reduce costs in their domestic market, cause you know - smart.

That fuel surcharge is cheap, was 30% for me.

EV's probably going to reduce their maintenance costs too, you don't need engine oil anymore, you go through less brakes and your service intervals are longer so less downtime of their light vehicle fleets.

[FTE217]

interesting less brake R&R, the EV's weigh alot more as we know, generally the Tesla is like 53% heavier give or take - I was at a business conference and the brake pad biscuit Franco is half the thickness they quoted.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

interesting less brake R&R, the EV's weigh alot more as we know, generally the Tesla is like 53% heavier give or take - I was at a business conference and the brake pad biscuit Franco is half the thickness they quoted.

It is indeed heavier but you got regenerative braking on your side which can be rather powerful, I've been in an Isuzu truck converted to an EV, had 3750kg of concrete in the back + us three fat ****s all over 100kg, we were around 100kg or so over GVM and you could still drive it fine with one pedal, you didn't even need the brakes, we took it on the freeway and then through Port Melbourne and Melbourne CBD then back to Isuzu in Truganina.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Likely a cost concern too. Simply able to reduce the amount of diesel used. Doesn't always have to be a green thing.

Except the generators would most likely run 24/7, powering a million other things.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Except the generators would most likely run 24/7, powering a million other things.

So you're saying they'd be a multipurpose generator? My point still stands, they'd save $$ by not having to fuel a fleet of diesel vehicles, outside of the savings from maintenance and consumables.