You Don't own MY Reality

Originally Posted by tweeked

Wow..........You need to talk to more men. You will be surprised if you go in with an open mind.

I'm not saying that they don't, just that that's the conditioning they've received. Boys have historically been raised to not cry, stiffen that upper lip/etc.
You don't need to look far to see what I mean.

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Am talking natural birth, pregnancy, not a cyborg!

This earth has been reproducing for thousands of years, its only scientific ego crap that has changed it all, dolly the sheep is an example, who wants to produce or breed a soulless shell, ya can copy anything now but ya can't give it "soul"...

Chilly Beers

So you are against IVF that has helped thousands of families, I can keep going on and on but after reading your other posts I will leave it as is since you belong to a bygone era.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

So you are against IVF that has helped thousands of families, I can keep going on and on but after reading your other posts I will leave it as is since you belong to a bygone era.

Stop reading my posts if they don't fit your way of thinking, just skip em and go to the next one.Your assumption I am against IVF?...did I say that!
Everyone has an opinion, if your head can't comprehend that then I feel very sorry for you


Chilly Beers

[Itsme]

Each to their own........

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Each to their own........

Geez what sort of office do you manage, riding a horse with one hand, firing a handgun with the other, and two arrows sticking through ya chest!
Too cool, lol...


Chilly Beers

[jaydee]

Was looking on line for a local mechanic after wifes 2019 Mazda is no longer covered by free servicing.
Saw one local mechanic and it had the rainbow flag down the bottom of the website saying it was LGBTQI friendly. Really?
Is this now an advertising prerequisite?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Was looking on line for a local mechanic after wifes 2019 Mazda is no longer covered by free servicing.
Saw one local mechanic and it had the rainbow flag down the bottom of the website saying it was LGBTQI friendly. Really?
Is this now an advertising prerequisite?

Hey if it attracts more business I certainly paint a rainbow, I'm not fussy who pays me money for work.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Geez what sort of office do you manage, riding a horse with one hand, firing a handgun with the other, and two arrows sticking through ya chest!
Too cool, lol...


Chilly Beers

I neither work in or manage offices at all but it is a long story how I came across my nickname, my ex-partner who retired gave it to me.
Cheers.

[Feathers]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Got to disagree with you, we were always happy being male or female, boy and girl, man and woman!....it was never an issue until they invented this thing called Internet, or iphone!

Now you push a button and suddenly you are looking into someone's bedroom, its just boredom with being a "normal human" these wannabe "stars" or influencers are being fooled by their own self importance and lack of self esteem.


I have always been happy being me, I don't want to project myself as a person who is better or more special than others, we are just human, not GenX or GenY or Rainbow children, or Millenials and the newest Alpha children!
We are male or female, you get the oddity of a hermaphrodite occasionally but basically we are designed to procreate, just like plants and animals!
We are designed to reproduce offspring, nothing else, two women can't produce a child nor can two men


Chilly Beers

That's not quite what Leesa was saying though.

As an example; if a woman walks into a doctor's surgery tomorrow, and asks about getting her tubes tied, the doctor will most likely deny her request, especially if she's under 45 and has not had a child already.

The doctor will refuse the request, not because it's unreasonable, or unethical, but because at some time in the future, she may find herself a husband who wants kids.
That's far more important than the woman's quality of life though, right? The possibility that someone else might want to breed with them at an unspecified time in the future.

Meanwhile, her same aged, hypothetical, future husband could request a vasectomy right now, and his doctor would allow it, with very little fuss.

Yet, (depending on the type of procedure), both surgeries can be reversed if the patient changes their mind down the track...so why do women have to fight for their bodily autonomy, and doctor shop until they find someone willing to even consider it, but men don't?

I've experienced similar, asking a specialist to treat me for a condition (let's call it A), while making it very clear that I'm not interested in anything to do with this other related condition (Condition B).
They disregard all of that, and want to start me on treatments to fix Condition B anyway, and if it also happens to do something to ease Condition A, then that's a bonus, but not something they're concerned about.

The treatment that would likely fix Condition A causes birth defects, and though there isn't a snowflakes chance in hell of me becoming pregnant, they STILL won't allow me to have it.

But they WILL give it to men, despite the fact that they could get someone pregnant while on it.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

So you are against IVF that has helped thousands of families, I can keep going on and on but after reading your other posts I will leave it as is since you belong to a bygone era.

Maybe research 'Dolly the Sheep' and you will see how silly your effort is to put IVF and cloning in the same sentence

[slowsnake]

Having trouble doing partial Quotes, so I cut and pasted what I wanted.

You state and I quote--"that is not quite what Leesa was saying though" unquote.
What are you a mind reader?....or is Leesa sitting next to you discussing all of this!

QUOTE
I've experienced similar, asking a specialist to treat me for a condition (let's call it A), while making it very clear that I'm not interested in anything to do with this other related condition (Condition B).
They disregard all of that, and want to start me on treatments to fix Condition B anyway, and if it also happens to do something to ease Condition A, then that's a bonus, but not something they're concerned about.


The treatment that would likely fix Condition A causes birth defects, and though there isn't a snowflakes chance in hell of me becoming pregnant, they STILL won't allow me to have it.

But they WILL give it to men, despite the fact that they could get someone pregnant while on it...UNQUOTE



I have no idea what you have written above means, its just a hotchpotch of letters and numbers.?...I really don't get what it is that Leesa is not saying but you are saying it for her!...I know what she posted I read it!


Cheers Billy

Originally Posted by slowsnake

Stop reading my posts if they don't fit your way of thinking, just skip em and go to the next one.Your assumption I am against IVF?...did I say that!
Everyone has an opinion, if your head can't comprehend that then I feel very sorry for you


Chilly Beers

Yeah you sort of did.
Natural birth, pregnancy = check. Referencing how we've been reproducing for thousands of years, which IVF certainly hasn't = check. Scientific ego crap = check.

The technique between IVF and cloning isn't all that different in the context of what you took a shot at. They're both embryos produced in a petri dish by... scientific ego crap.

If you want to rant perhaps you should narrow your scope so that you're not misspeaking?

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Maybe research 'Dolly the Sheep' and you will see how silly your effort is to put IVF and cloning in the same sentence

In the context of what slowsnake went on blast at, it was pretty reasonable to put them in the same sentence.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Was looking on line for a local mechanic after wifes 2019 Mazda is no longer covered by free servicing.
Saw one local mechanic and it had the rainbow flag down the bottom of the website saying it was LGBTQI friendly. Really?
Is this now an advertising prerequisite?

yeah, the gays and all their disposable income. Id be gunning for that too if i was a mech

Originally Posted by jaydee

Was looking on line for a local mechanic after wifes 2019 Mazda is no longer covered by free servicing.
Saw one local mechanic and it had the rainbow flag down the bottom of the website saying it was LGBTQI friendly. Really?
Is this now an advertising prerequisite?

It might sound silly but it'd absolutely work for me. The amount of delicate masculinity amongst mechanic shops is insane and they often treat others poorly, particular if they think others are somehow lesser than a man. So if the shop can even acknowledge that they're friendly to particular groups of people (as opposed to ewwww gay germs!), it's a good sign that they're not full of insecure men and are likely to treat you like a normal person instead of looking down on you.

How many men do you know that wouldn't even hold a rainbow flag, lest it somehow make gayness contagious as if before they know it they'll be sucking a dick? I've seen dudes refuse to use pink network cables, and others that don't want to but end up carrying it between thumb and tip of index finger... as if trying to make a statement that the colour is unwanted and we shouldn't think less of them as a man for having to touch it.

Some dudes are FRAGILE. Being comfortable enough in themselves to have a rainbow flag at the door, that still says good things impo.

edit: oh hey there's maybe a new word for the censor

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by leesa

It might sound silly but it'd absolutely work for me. The amount of delicate masculinity amongst mechanic shops is insane and they often treat others poorly, particular if they think others are somehow lesser than a man. So if the shop can even acknowledge that they're friendly to particular groups of people (as opposed to ewwww gay germs!), it's a good sign that they're not full of insecure men and are likely to treat you like a normal person instead of looking down on you.

How many men do you know that wouldn't even hold a rainbow flag, lest it somehow make gayness contagious as if before they know it they'll be sucking a dick? I've seen dudes refuse to use pink network cables, and others that don't want to but end up carrying it between thumb and tip of index finger... as if trying to make a statement that the colour is unwanted and we shouldn't think less of them as a man for having to touch it.

Some dudes are FRAGILE. Being comfortable enough in themselves to have a rainbow flag at the door, that still says good things impo.

edit: oh hey there's maybe a new word for the censor

Such stereotyping. Bravo.

[nstg8a]

These days a heterosexual male waving the lgbtqifhde@6+ flag would probably be accused of culture misappropriation.


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[shedcoupe]

Yeah it's so bannerist.
Leesa's not stereotyping as she's qualified her statement with 'some men'. btw.
SOME men are indeed week as water and are threatened by lots of things.

There is a thread in the pub about 'psychos in the auto-repair business' where more than one person has mentioned the fragile masculinity in some mechanics as well as how their wives/daughters have been treated.
But because it's me typing it all of a sudden it's not a real thing. Nice.

bossxr8 I trust you'll head over to that thread next and reply to them that they're wrong and those things don't exist, yeah? Nah course not.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by leesa

There is a thread in the pub about 'psychos in the auto-repair business' where more than one person has mentioned the fragile masculinity in some mechanics as well as how their wives/daughters have been treated.
But because it's me typing it all of a sudden it's not a real thing. Nice.

bossxr8 I trust you'll head over to that thread next and reply to them that they're wrong and those things don't exist, yeah? Nah course not.

You generalise that most of them are. You typically paint men all with the same brush. Why do you hate men so much?

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You generalise that most of them are. You typically paint men all with the same brush. Why do you hate men so much?

What I said about mechanics is based on my experience as a woman. What's your experience of using mechanics as a woman?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by leesa

What I said about mechanics is based on my experience as a woman. What's your experience of using mechanics as a woman?

So a few bad eggs makes them all the same. Cool.

So men don’t get ripped off too?

If you want to debate it you'll need to answer my question rather than asking me another one. Do you have any experience of using mechanics as a woman? How about as an openly gay (and fabulous) man? Maybe straight-but-clearly-not-mechnically-minded male? Or maybe a minority of any kind? Anything other than a presumably-straight male who dabbles in cars? Just so that I have a point of reference for your perspective.

[FTE217]

Being in the game I have been in and out of workshops for sometime and later got into Wholesale and to date.
Obviously got to know alot of Owner Mechanics and a couple close by pretty good mates.
I have watched at other mechanical visits how much some of them have ripped off the unassuming male customer hand over fist.
So many I shake my head in shame.
One of my mates who I have recommended to many male/female, they can't thank me enough dealing with a diligent polite bloke he is to both or how many genders today.
There is plenty of dis honest rude operaters, pick a industry for females who can take advantage of the opposite sex ? fashion,cosmetics,floral to name a couple.
Get over it please, sadly it goes both ways, humans can't help themselves.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by FTE217

sadly it goes both ways, humans can't help themselves.

Sums it up nicely - end of story........

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by leesa

If you want to debate it you'll need to answer my question rather than asking me another one. Do you have any experience of using mechanics as a woman? How about as an openly gay (and fabulous) man? Maybe straight-but-clearly-not-mechnically-minded male? Or maybe a minority of any kind? Anything other than a presumably-straight male who dabbles in cars? Just so that I have a point of reference for your perspective.

No but my fiance has.

Tell us your experience of being a gay man. I’m genuinely interested.

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Maybe research 'Dolly the Sheep' and you will see how silly your effort is to put IVF and cloning in the same sentence

Leesa post #42 sums up my response to "slowsnake" previous comments which I believe cloning and IVF is medical science linked together in regards to procreation.
You have your opinion I have mine.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

No but my fiance has.

Tell us your experience of being a gay man. I’m genuinely interested.

I'm not going to try convince you that women, gay men, non-mechanically-minded men, minorities and others often get spoken down to by some/many mechanics with big egos. You're clearly not open to the possibility and it's triggered you into wanting to argue, but I'm not up for arguing about it. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

Leesa post #42 sums up my response to "slowsnake" previous comments which I believe cloning and IVF is medical science linked together in regards to procreation.
You have your opinion I have mine.

see if i can help,,
cloning; using your cells to grow/create an organ/appendage (mouse as host,,3D printer another)

IVF; using her egg with a donor seed..

we already have artificial humans; man made eggs and seed in artificial womb..

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by leesa

I'm not going to try convince you that women, gay men, non-mechanically-minded men, minorities and others often get spoken down to by some/many mechanics with big egos. You're clearly not open to the possibility and it's triggered you into wanting to argue, but I'm not up for arguing about it. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

This could be said about pretty well any industry really..

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

In my personal opinion, if you were born with an X chromosome, you are a Man. That's my opinion, and nobody has any right to demand that I change. If somebody else chooses to think differently, that too is their opinion, and they are similarly entitled.

I don't think anyone is saying you aren't entitled to your opinion. Sounds more like your problem is if that someone who was once a man now wants you to refer to them as a woman, or non-binary, that you can't respect that.

If so, that makes you a douche bag.

I don't really understand the notion of wanting a sex change, so be it people are free to do whatever makes them happy. Do I understand the whole 'non-binary' "I identify as a tunafish"? Nope - not even one bit and as you say, that's my right. But I still have to give them the courtesy of treating them like a decent human being.