Triton 2023 Reveal ?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Who remembers the good ol days when the Thailand Specials were sub or low $20K for 4x2 single cab povvo spec

Hell back in the day before I bought my Focus I was quoted $26K DA for a dealership stock povvo spec FG tray ute with the ZF, but I didn't want the auto

Now there's no Falcon Ute the Thailand Specials jumped $10K for entry level.

I do! Paid $23,000 for a PK Ranger in 2010.



That thing was the truest form of Povo spec as you could get, it didn't even come with a heated rear windscreen, let alone ABS or DSC, cruise control..........

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I do! Paid $23,000 for a PK Ranger in 2010.

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That thing was the truest form of Povo spec as you could get, it didn't even come with a heated rear windscreen, let alone ABS or DSC, cruise control..........

Same spec now would probably cost $36K if you could buy it today

I don't even think my Thailux has a heated rear windscreen either, it has power steering, EFI and AC though and that'll do me

I don't mind povvo spec, I just don't like $36K povvo spec - wouldn't have ever happened of we still made our own cars.

Wouldn't have $40K Honda Civic, Corolla et al either.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

so you want to blame Mitsi for some kent running into the back of one priceless.

I can only assume you have one with that attitude.. why fit rear bumpers to anything then ya Jim Henson Character

[Vesper Martini]

side point but There is actually an ADR 91/00 for rear underrun protection

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Same spec now would probably cost $36K if you could buy it today

I don't even think my Thailux has a heated rear windscreen either, it has power steering, EFI and AC though and that'll do me

I don't mind povvo spec, I just don't like $36K povvo spec - wouldn't have ever happened of we still made our own cars.

Wouldn't have $40K Honda Civic, Corolla et al either.

A lot of truth in that, but car prices are skyrocketing everywhere not just Australia, supply is the issue.
perhaps if we did still have a car industry they would be dominating right now, but they also might also be cashing in on it too

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Same spec now would probably cost $36K if you could buy it today

I don't even think my Thailux has a heated rear windscreen either, it has power steering, EFI and AC though and that'll do me

I don't mind povvo spec, I just don't like $36K povvo spec - wouldn't have ever happened of we still made our own cars.

Wouldn't have $40K Honda Civic, Corolla et al either.

I think if you look at value for what you're getting the utes are a far better deal than the civic,s etc anything with a deck on these days adds a lot of $ .....try buying a braked tandem trailer

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PooDog

I think if you look at value for what you're getting the utes are a far better deal than the civic,s etc anything with a deck on these days adds a lot of $ .....try buying a braked tandem trailer

Better deal? Half a car, 'body on frame' chassis and drum brakes on the rear

Actually - give me Ecoboost V6 Ranger but 2WD, drums on the rear, just power steering, AC with just the on/off button, a 4 speed fan switch, heater slider and 2 speaker stereo (with phone and bluetooth) and a bench seat on 14" steel wheels with 205/70R14C tyres.

$35K weapon

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I dunno Are they not built with stronger suspension components & stronger everything than a Falcodore ute?



not same same but better from Thailand

Putting aside the typical other olden/Ford ute QC issues we've all experienced when talking a 1tonner in the guise of suspension ability they kill the thailand utes x 5000%, the std ute also was a stronger overall work unit.
You can't beat leaf springs for carrying loads and our shackle bush's etc lasted 20+yrs than the crap they have today incl the current OE leaf packs.
As for the front end, again olden/Ford eat them for breaky mind you as mentioned not apples for apples but we're talking workhorse's.
The ol locals used to have dual control arm front ends then progressed to struts.
Strong units with 18 or 22mm strut piston rods.
Cope with side loads and all forces.
The front ends of these Thailand utes the OE's to appease to the market as they were becoming work and play purchase's re designed a shock absorber adding the spring seat like what many IRS rear ends have/had over many years.
16mm shock piston rods, softly valved.
The bottom bush copped that much loading originally they couldn't cope, premature bush was left right and centre.
Quality has improved but I still defy the OE's have gone this cheaper way, much like Franco goes on seeing drum brakes still at the rear.
The Amarok for offroaders was a joke re its front shock absorber.
Its lower mounting bracket would "bend" for some owners whilst offroad, the Aftermarket had
So no they are not stronger overall when comparing to the ol locals.
Hence why the Aftermarket 4x4 companies have been selling a motza for years now and ongoing.
Larger bore shocks, upgraded coil and leaf packs.
The only negative overall is the use of PU, it still is not overall the better component to use compared to rubber for control arms/shackle bushs etcetcetc.......
What the Thailand specials have done well is the cabin ambience for a work vehicle.

[Vesper Martini]

I don't profess to know a lot about the tray back Holden but isn't it a product of yesteryear

The Holden One Tonner produced between 1971 an 1984, and again between 2003 an 2005.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Better deal? Half a car, 'body on frame' chassis and drum brakes on the rear

Actually - give me Ecoboost V6 Ranger but 2WD, drums on the rear, just power steering, AC with just the on/off button, a 4 speed fan switch, heater slider and 2 speaker stereo (with phone and bluetooth) and a bench seat on 14" steel wheels with 205/70R14C tyres.

$35K weapon

Was actually meaning your getting more metal in a ute at least it has a chassis most cars are just plastic held together with plastic push in clips a Lego kit would be stronger

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I don't profess to know a lot about the tray back Holden but isn't it a product of yesteryear

The Holden One Tonner produced between 1971 an 1984, and again between 2003 an 2005.

yesteryer nope, most if not all tray backs/cab chassis today are still leaf packs barring exceptions with coil fronts.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by FTE217

yesteryer nope, most if not all tray backs/cab chassis today are still leaf packs barring exceptions with coil fronts.

Sorry what are you saying the leaf springs are not as good in the new Utes?
when I look under them all the components seem far more heavy duty than a Falcodore, brake discs, drum brake sizes etc are all bigger

With the exception of The Amarok (made in Argentina?) you mentioned I haven't heard of the suspension being inadequate.

PS Im not a fan of them having 3.5 tonne towing capacity, but they do have this over a Falcodore

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Was actually meaning your getting more metal in a ute at least it has a chassis most cars are just plastic held together with plastic push in clips a Lego kit would be stronger

They are definitely better built.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

They are definitely better built.

The whole plastic fantastic thing is for crash safety, like how a VE Commodore has a plastic radiator surround, its to dissipate the forces in a stack rather than make it solid as a rock.

But yeah Thailand Specials are usually pretty nice to work on because they're basic, at least the ones without VW badges anyway.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Better deal? Half a car, 'body on frame' chassis and drum brakes on the rear

Actually - give me Ecoboost V6 Ranger but 2WD, drums on the rear, just power steering, AC with just the on/off button, a 4 speed fan switch, heater slider and 2 speaker stereo (with phone and bluetooth) and a bench seat on 14" steel wheels with 205/70R14C tyres.

$35K weapon

I would absolutely buy that!

[UTXR8]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Hard pass. Id buy a Chinese ute before a Triton.

I bought a brand new 2021 LDV T60 for $29500 drive away with tint, towbar and metallic paint....other than a crappy stereo system, its been superb for my needs...

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Putting aside the typical other olden/Ford ute QC issues we've all experienced when talking a 1tonner in the guise of suspension ability they kill the thailand utes x 5000%, the std ute also was a stronger overall work unit.
You can't beat leaf springs for carrying loads and our shackle bush's etc lasted 20+yrs than the crap they have today incl the current OE leaf packs.
As for the front end, again olden/Ford eat them for breaky mind you as mentioned not apples for apples but we're talking workhorse's.
The ol locals used to have dual control arm front ends then progressed to struts.
Strong units with 18 or 22mm strut piston rods.
Cope with side loads and all forces.
The front ends of these Thailand utes the OE's to appease to the market as they were becoming work and play purchase's re designed a shock absorber adding the spring seat like what many IRS rear ends have/had over many years.
16mm shock piston rods, softly valved.
The bottom bush copped that much loading originally they couldn't cope, premature bush was left right and centre.
Quality has improved but I still defy the OE's have gone this cheaper way, much like Franco goes on seeing drum brakes still at the rear.
The Amarok for offroaders was a joke re its front shock absorber.
Its lower mounting bracket would "bend" for some owners whilst offroad, the Aftermarket had
So no they are not stronger overall when comparing to the ol locals.
Hence why the Aftermarket 4x4 companies have been selling a motza for years now and ongoing.
Larger bore shocks, upgraded coil and leaf packs.
The only negative overall is the use of PU, it still is not overall the better component to use compared to rubber for control arms/shackle bushs etcetcetc.......
What the Thailand specials have done well is the cabin ambience for a work vehicle.

Don't know anything about that but I had three WB wellside utes towed a trailer OK but put a load in the back and they were just a wallowing pig (205 aquajets didn't help ) there was nothing modern about them and most ended up at the wreckers full of rust ....give me any single cab Thailand special in a heart beat I'd even prefer a Chinese ute

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I do! Paid $23,000 for a PK Ranger in 2010.

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That thing was the truest form of Povo spec as you could get, it didn't even come with a heated rear windscreen, let alone ABS or DSC, cruise control..........

Whats the difference in how that was like vs the PX Ranger you have now, one imagines the PX Ranger was a huge step up just in how it rides and drives compared to the PK.

You don't know agricultural something is until you're wheeling around the older Thailand Specials, especially compared to a tray back Falcon ute

[winkle]

You don't know agricultural something is until you're wheeling around the older Thailand Specials, especially compared to a tray back Falcon ute.

Or a Landcruiser 79

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Whats the difference in how that was like vs the PX Ranger you have now, one imagines the PX Ranger was a huge step up just in how it rides and drives compared to the PK.

You don't know agricultural something is until you're wheeling around the older Thailand Specials, especially compared to a tray back Falcon ute

Massively different between PK and PX MK II.

I don't think my old PK could be any more basic if they tried. Airconditioning was optional, I mean who wouldn't want to have AC in this country. ABS was a $990 option. The ride was atrociously brutal, it got to the point where I hated driving it. That super stiff rear end when combined with a wet road and all-or-nothing power/torque delivery meant it was very sketchy to drive. It could power slide through a roundabout in third gear. The interior was made of third grade plastics, and the bench seat extremely uncomfortable. The stiffness and lack of cruise control meant I really couldn't drive it further than around town.

Good points: despite the cheap materials, the interior was very well put together and overall, the build quality and reliability were brilliant, they were a Mazda after all. I actually liked the 2.5 diesel engine in these, combined with the much, much lighter weight, it went harder than my PX. I also preferred the 5-speed manual's feel over the PX's MT-82.

Buying the PX MK II was about getting something I felt safer driving. No ABS, not DSC, only two airbags and poor traction in the wet made me feel vulnerable driving the PK. At the end of the day, the Ranger is the car I drive the most, I never understood the reasoning behind commercial vehicles missing out on safety features, these cars are often driven all day.

The change from PK to PX MK II was not incremental, it was massively improved in every area. Ride quality for one, I can drive this all day not feel like I have been pummeled. I think the heavy steel tray has a lot to do with this, along with softer springs. I really like the electric steering, especially at higher speeds, the PK was too light and twitchy. Interior look and feel is also greatly better, as are the seats. Then all the connectivity aspects, Bluetooth ect. The only thing that sucks is the sluggishness, a combination curb weight and turbo lag.

The PK was a good workhorse, just hard to live with. That's not a problem I have now with the PX MK II, so upgrading is not on the urgent list.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Mitsubishi is an absolute joke these days, how the once mighty have fallen.

Interesting you say that .....Outlander is the top selling vehicle in NZ its also the top selling PHEV and Eclipse cross is 2nd , Triton is 3rd in the ute class and I'm pretty sure mitsubishi is the top selling brand in NZ

Not sure how they rate in Oz but nothing comes close to the Outlander in plug in spec and price overall

I'm not joking

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Interesting you say that .....Outlander is the top selling vehicle in NZ its also the top selling PHEV and Eclipse cross is 2nd , Triton is 3rd in the ute class and I'm pretty sure mitsubishi is the top selling brand in NZ

Not sure how they rate in Oz but nothing comes close to the Outlander in plug in spec and price overall

I'm not joking

They hardly update their cars but I guess thats due to financial issues over at Mitsubishi

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They hardly update their cars but I guess thats due to financial issues over at Mitsubishi

OK...I actually quite like them not putting out a new model every year , unusual that we were one of the 1st countries to get the new Outlander maybe because mitsi are so popular over here?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Interesting you say that .....Outlander is the top selling vehicle in NZ its also the top selling PHEV and Eclipse cross is 2nd , Triton is 3rd in the ute class and I'm pretty sure mitsubishi is the top selling brand in NZ

Not sure how they rate in Oz but nothing comes close to the Outlander in plug in spec and price overall

I'm not joking

Must be a recent thing as Toyota and Ford were 1 and 2 for the last few years. Ranger was the highest selling vehicle in NZ last year I think.

The new taxes on diesels and emissions they introduced recently has seen Hilux and Ranger drop right away. But there was also a surge of sales before the rules were introduced.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Must be a recent thing as Toyota and Ford were 1 and 2 for the last few years. Ranger was the highest selling vehicle in NZ last year I think.

The new taxes on diesels and emissions they introduced recently has seen Hilux and Ranger drop right away. But there was also a surge of sales before the rules were introduced.

Yep from what I can gather Ranger was top last year .....mitsi top with 17% , Toyota with 15% , Ford with 9% information confusing and contradictory one site said outlander was top another Eclipse cross.......utes are slow after the tax has applied and diesel sales have dropped :......didn't realize how confusing stats ca be

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

They hardly update their cars but I guess thats due to financial issues over at Mitsubishi

See what you mean about their financial affairs