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Old 25-06-2016, 02:18 PM   #31
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UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage declared the result as "a victory for ordinary, decent people".
Brexit 'an adventure into the unknown'


The full ramifications of the UK exiting the EU will be played out in years not days, writes the ABC's chief foreign correspondent Philip Williams.


"It is a victory against the big merchant banks, against the big businesses and against big politics," he said.
"And I'm proud of everybody that had the courage in the face of all the threats, everything they were told, they had the guts to stand up and do the right thing."


Great start of the EU reno. Whole place needs to start taking notice of what it CITIZENS want, not what the banks and big buisiness wants. ........we all live in a community not an economy....... only labour party policy worth voting for is Banking Royal Commision.
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Old 25-06-2016, 02:32 PM   #32
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Good for you England re: Brexit, but not happy about the $50 billion we just lost on the sx.

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A vote for democracy, lol @ Scotland because they voted to stay in the UK and then they tear up about getting kicked out of the EU against their will.
The uk getting out allowes them to rehold the referendum. They had a higher stay vote over there so why shouldnt they. They should have told to uk to get stuffed in the first place.
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The uk getting out allowes them to rehold the referendum. They had a higher stay vote over there so why shouldnt they. They should have told to uk to get stuffed in the first place.
They had their chance and the fearmongering started just like Brexit but the Scotts didn't have the balls to do it and they decided to stay.

Now they get shafted and tear up about it and squeal like stuck pigs, stiff stronzo!

Didn't have the balls to go it alone when they had their chance.

Made their bed now lay in it, flogs.
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I'm reading Scotland wants to have another referendum for independence and politicians in Northern Ireland are calling for unification with the Republic. RIP UK
It's only those Sinn Féin *****, who (in between murdering school-children) have been calling for a United Ireland since they decided to split from the UK.

Much is made of the fact that Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK with a land-border with another country. But when you consider the Chunnel, all the ferries, and the fact that you can literally cross the channel in anything that floats (including a Nissan ute) England's border with France is more significant.
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At the end of the day, "Democracy" is about self-determination. The EU has wasted far too much time and effort on enforcing irrelevant standards. Preventing people from growing tomatoes and vegies that weren't sanctioned, mandating meat levels in sausages, making the poor old folks use metric instead of pounds, etc, etc. Ultimately really trivial stuff that has ****** the Brits off no-end.
More recently the strong Pound has seen unemployed Europeans flooding into the UK looking for work, and they're sick of it.
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I lived in London between 08 to 13, and I'm not surprised they voted out. In fact I'm surprised it was that close, would have expected something like 60-40. The OUT sentiment was there already at the time. And it is NOT all because of immigration.

The EU commission were bullying them with many policies that did not make any sense, and the Brits did not like an unelected commission dictating the terms.

It would be like Australia signing up to an AsiaPac union, and having China and India dictating policies for us.
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They had their chance and the fearmongering started just like Brexit but the Scotts didn't have the balls to do it and they decided to stay.

Now they get shafted and tear up about it and squeal like stuck pigs, stiff stronzo!

Didn't have the balls to go it alone when they had their chance.

Made their bed now lay in it, flogs.
Had their chance? No they can have another referundum. Australia has had multiple referendums on the same subject doesnt mean if its done once that the country will always have the same opinion/values/situations.
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Old 25-06-2016, 09:39 PM   #39
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pretty stupid idea of the British really but majority has spoken let them eat cake.
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Putin is fuming! Not as a result of BREXIT or that Trump will be President, but because he just watched Rocky IV for the first time.


Sorry folks (excuse the pun) but.....

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pretty stupid idea of the British really but majority has spoken let them eat cake.
Why is it stupid?
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I lived in London between 08 to 13, and I'm not surprised they voted out. In fact I'm surprised it was that close, would have expected something like 60-40. The OUT sentiment was there already at the time. And it is NOT all because of immigration.

The EU commission were bullying them with many policies that did not make any sense, and the Brits did not like an unelected commission dictating the terms.

It would be like Australia signing up to an AsiaPac union, and having China and India dictating policies for us.
As one lady being interviewed on Sky News UK said,they are just fed up with all the mass Immagration coming to the UK,as she said we "want our country back.(and this started when they joined the EU in January '73) & also the way they seem to be "dictated" to by Brussels(Boris even mentioned this.) Far as I am concerned, good on them.And you know what?It will all work out in the end
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http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/1202353...overning-elite

Interesting article that suggests the unwashed masses got it wrong...
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Interesting article that suggests the unwashed masses got it wrong...
Brexit is a crushing victory for the people against the establishment. Get used to it. There are many more to come. The global elitists won't accept this decision, and they'll fight it.

Nigel Farage is spot on with his sentiments of the EU.

Donald Trumps' popularity serves to demonstrate the general population don't believe the narrative being dictated by mainstream media at the instruction of their pay masters. People are sick and tired of the career politicians and the political apparatchik.

Let's hope Nexit and Swexit are next.
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http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/1202353...overning-elite

Interesting article that suggests the unwashed masses got it wrong...
I don't believe they got it wrong at all. The argument against leaving was still interesting...
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As one lady being interviewed on Sky News UK said,they are just fed up with all the mass Immagration coming to the UK,as she said we "want our country back.(and this started when they joined the EU in January '73)
Actually,- the multicultural and mass-immigration agenda you describe was first imposed on Germany some 65 years ago, it was then 'adopted' into the remainder of the western powers circa 1960's and 70's. You can see old YT clips of (failed) TV coverage of British attempts to prevent it in the first place.

(Germany began dismantling the multicultural policies a few years back (2010 approx), citing it as an abstract failure (Merkel), and that new comers will have to learn German and its culture and values before becoming citizens).

Items since, such as the 76' Lima Agreement (done by Whitlam and signed by LIB's Peacock under Fraser) help enshrine all that 'reform and change', and in this example done to export western manufacturing jobs to 'the third world' - at the time places like China etc. Add to all this the multitudes of virtually unchecked 'treaties' and agreements - some well intended but that invariably diminish 'the way we once had things in this country' - indeed most western nation states.

Younger Australians of course know of no such earlier life style, and that serves the ongoing agenda just fine. Apathy helps those seeking societal change done over time.

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At least she'll be happy..!

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Smart decision. Next will be Nexit, then Dexit, probably followed by Sweden, Austria, Italy and maybe even France.
Been to all those places under the euro and hated the fact they all had the same money. I collect the currency from each place I visit as a memento and it started to get boring in Europe.

Having said that, family in Europe all said the same thing. The EU is a bad idea and the universal currency wrecked things and would never work.

Perhaps they were right?

If all those places leave the EU looks like I'll need to get more stamps in my passport
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Just had a scary thought. Could the EU be the beast of Revelations? Is this the almost mortal blow the beast suffers before being revived and coming back stronger? (I think that's what is prophesied)...

666???

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Anybody here checked there Super balance compared to pre-vote?
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Share prices around the world have already fallen weeks ago as the yes vote looked to be leading. Then over the past week as it looked like the no vote was going to get up and the share prices started to rise and the gold price fell.

Result has taken the financial markets by surprise big time. USA shares were up last night prior to vote expecting no to win and gold falling. How wrong did they get that!! Prices will fall by a large amount tonight in the USA. As Aussies shares fell and gold jumped today as it did in other overseas markets.

Basic balanced super fund would have at least 60% exposure to the growth markets including overseas and local. Will be bumpy ride in the short time, what is going to occur over the long term find the crystal ball and tell me. The exit could take 2 years plus to occur as it is a long drawn out process. Good luck Britain, your economy's growth is going to fall and country will be in a state of uncertainty for some time. Could even fall into recession. Must be big problems to vote yes to that!!
Nonsense down the track the UK will be much better off.
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Just had a scary thought. Could the EU be the beast of Revelations? Is this the almost mortal blow the beast suffers before being revived and coming back stronger? (I think that's what is prophesied)...

666???
Nonsense there is nothing to worry about at all, the Greeks should get out as well and lower there currency value to help build them up.

6 represents one from perfection, now 3 times something is about confirming, so the best that we can get on the worldly position is represented as 666 it's the number of man, now 7 represents perfection and it's heavenly number.
So 6 is just one short from 7, but it does not cut it, so it's of Satan the one who leads the whole world astray.
So Satan comes across as a good bloke to worldly people who will idolise and follow in his deception, just like they did with the communist leaders and Hitler remember how they loved there leaders.
Remember how the communist starved millions of people to death in Ukraine and does the majority of Aussies even know this, no !
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Nonsense down the track the UK will be much better off.
Yep, self determination. ***** Brussels!
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Anybody here checked there Super balance compared to pre-vote?
Converted mine to cash late January when the stock market was jittery. Decided to leave it as cash until BREXIT calms down.
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6 represents one from perfection, now 3 times something is about confirming, so the best that we can get on the worldly position is represented as 666 it's the number of man, now 7 represents perfection and it's heavenly number.
So 6 is just one short from 7, but it does not cut it, so it's of Satan the one who leads the whole world astray.
So Satan comes across as a good bloke to worldly people who will idolise and follow in his deception, just like they did with the communist leaders and Hitler remember how they loved there leaders.
Remember how the communist starved millions of people to death in Ukraine and does the majority of Aussies even know this, no !
What mind altering substances are you on?

Let's have a little rest from your ranting.

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Hopefully, for everyone's sake, the financial markets will come to grips with this and settle down. I really don't think this is big enough for worldwide markets to be melting down.

What it means for Britain, long-term, I'm not sure. If Scotland decides to have another vote, and votes for secession, that will weaken the UK economy. I don't know enough about the factors in play to predict one way or the other.
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Hi Mate, you are just down the road from me.

I don't know if I did the right thing but took the safe option. It may have cost me 30k in earnings but that's better than a 20k loss so I did what I did. It will come back but I am to close to retirement to take risks. It is frightening though.


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I wonder how many countries will follow suit.
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I wonder how many countries will follow suit.
Yes, it will be interesting to see if there is a snowball effect , if you where a betting man you would have to put a crisp 20 on it that in the not too distant future the whole thing will unravel.

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