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Funny I used one of those Pregios as a delivery van for just over 10 years.Pretty agricultural and gutless,but it did run up 420,000 kms,with very few problems.Couple of alternators,starter solenoid contacts and a set of disc pads at about 280,000.Finally died because of a blown headgasket or cracked head
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And in other news last month:
Australia produced more cow**** than Black Truffles, Big-macs outsold Fillet Mignons, etc. Your average punter, when buying a car, will buy the cheapest shiniest pos that has Apple Carplay. And lets be honest, "beating Ford" doesn't really amount to much these days. |
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reputation of reliability and services that don’t cost an Armand a leg. So yeah, you’re now seeing second and maybe third generation buyers flock to their products and that’s mostly because of all the things they have done right by customers for at least a decade or more. A reasonably priced product that checks most boxes is always going to get decent sales, the hard part for Ford is transferring buyer attitude from Ranger, Everest and Mustang to what should be volume selling products, that is where Ford needs to do more work convincing buyers to pay more for better products. Offering more products wouldn’t hurt….. |
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I'm not convinced it is even close to coming here. The language used by Kia execs when asked about it has really thrown cold water on it coming here any time soon. It's still years away if it actually exists. |
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They had the Kia Pregio Van, but dropped it a few years back
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I wonder if its because Hyundai offer the iLoad/iMax vans they don't tread in that market
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Neither is MacDonalds.
The irony is that whilst the Koreans have steadily improved their product, many others have cheapened theirs. Hard to find an actual Japanese product nowdays, with most coming from Thailand. And even many "Europeans" are now being built in Turkey, Thailand, and even Korea. And Kia are very good at what they do, making and selling cheap shiny merchandise to the masses. Meanwhile companies like Ford just continue to shoot themselves in the foot. How they got the powershart so wrong, and continued to flog it long after they knew the problems, is beyond me. |
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steadily improved their products versus the competition and then refer to them as cheap shiny merchandise. They’re actually not that bad, I can get more comfortable in a Sportage than in anything Mitsubishi or Toyota, I’d gladly own a CX-5 but not fussed on Honda. |
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Cheap as in price or cheap as in quality?
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Commercially, they had sucess with KIA buses and trucks, the bus was a Mazda T3500 body with a Toyota Coaster-like front clip and used the Mazda/Perkins diesel.
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I guess this explains why there is such a diverse portfolio of automotive products and classes in Australia
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Oh, and 150000 Tuscons and Sportages in Australia have just been recalled also for fire risk in the abs wiring. They advised people to park away from homes and buildings until they are fixed, Umm that's not exactly practical. No manufacturer is perfect.
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The actual recall here is due to the LG batteries which is what the cost is for, each is around 11k to replace, multiply that by the number of cars (not huge) and there is the "most expensive recall." I suspect it will hurt Hyundai in the reputation stakes but the actual cost of replacing will likely be paid for by LG or at least a share of that cost.
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(And if you look into it, the battery manufacturer is claiming its a hyundai software issue, not the batteries) .
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However, South Korea's transport ministry claimed some defects had been found in certain battery cells produced by LG’s factory in China. While Hyundai and LG appear to be in dispute over the cause of the fault, it is likely both brands will need to foot the enormous recall repair bill." https://www.caradvice.com.au/928558/...-to-fire-risk/ As I indicated, likely both will foot the bill. In the end if it is found LG have made the error then it will be Hyundai seeking compensation from them.
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In My opinion, The thing that has earnt KIA a huge amount of Goodwill here in Australia. Is;
they don't go out of their way to weasel out of each & every Warranty Claim the way that Ford (& others) Do... |
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Bettering Lexus, BMW and MB if I recall? Having a well built product resulting in fewer warranty issues must have something to do with it? Right?
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You are wrong about ford trying to get out of paying warranty. 8 years ago, maybe. But they have learned their lesson and are happy for dealers to fix the cars or even attempt to fix them and actually pay them. From personal experience I can tell you they are currently far better than some other manufacturers. Don’t believe everything John Cadogen says. He’s living in the past. |
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To clarify, this is the fault of the dealers too. Westpoint Ford were terrible to deal with while Rex Gorell Ford went out of their way to make a deal happen. Guess it depends which dealer is lucky (or unlucky) enough to experience. |
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Should have been done long before that though. But you can't change the past. |
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My father bought a RS from them, when it came time for a warranty claim on an issue with the tailgate they refused on the grounds the label on the tail gate didn't have Focus RS on it. They accused my father of changing the tailgate to a standard Focus one (never been in accident or had a claim on it). After a lot of discussion they agreed to fix the issue under warranty.
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We should also remember that Ford switched to a proper automatic in focus six years ago
and while that doesn’t completely erase the stink of Powershift, it went a long way towards putting it in the rear view mirror. By now, most Powershift Focus are on 2nd or 3rd owners and now being resolved. |
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But the Point i was trying to make Is.. KIA's aftersales support of Their Product & in Particular their No quibble 7 year warranty. have earnt them a large amount of Goodwill among the car buying Public.. |
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Have a 2017 Sportage.
Great car and the 7 year warranty was a no brainer. |
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Then the Japanese made up a lot of ground, and due to their relatively cheaper pricing, become the goto choice. I still find that on average (Western) European cars are better, but as I said, so many "European" cars are now coming out of Asia anyway. Now even many of the "Japanese" models are actually built in Thailand, so Hyundai quality is at least as good, if not better. Kias ARE cheap (as in inexpensive) and that appeals to the market. As for whether they're a "good car" or even "good value" depends entirely on your definitions and personal perspective. They clearly deliver a lot of what many people want, and do it in an affordable manner. They've also been very clever with their warranties and servicing. You can now buy a new car, keep it for 7(?) years, throw it away when you're done, and never have to worry about repairs |
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