What's up with the new statutory write-off laws?

http://manheim.com.au/damaged-vehicl...=SearchResults

2016 ranger wiltrak with 14KM up for auction due to hail damage and muddy rear driver's side floor mats. I could cry.

[PridenJoy]

There is no longer such thing as repairable write off in NSW, all are stat write offs which is stupid.

In Vic if you buy a repairable write off and have it repaired and inspected (VIVed) or if it has had hail damage previously, you HAVE to disclose that when selling the vehicle. Vicroads are quite strict on that.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by leesa

http://manheim.com.au/damaged-vehicl...=SearchResults

2016 ranger wiltrak with 14KM up for auction due to hail damage and muddy rear driver's side floor mats. I could cry. image

Probably sell for $40,000 + lots of people get a bit carried away at auctions

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Probably sell for $40,000 + lots of people get a bit carried away at auctions

I emailed to clarify. Turns out that one isn't a write-off but it has been listed in the salvage section due to the hail damage.

Originally Posted by PridenJoy

In Vic if you buy a repairable write off and have it repaired and inspected (VIVed) <snip> you HAVE to disclose that when selling the vehicle. Vicroads are quite strict on that.

As they should be. I don't understand people trying to defraud each other to make money. Trying to move on written-off vehicles without disclosing it is just a ****ty thing to do. Personally I think there should have been provision for someone to repair it for themselves and not be permitted to resell it, to have it sent to scrap once its life was over, but that's JMPO.

[Jastel]

Originally Posted by leesa

Thanks Jastel yes that does make sense.
I think what I'll end up doing is waiting for a repairable one with a crumpled body but straight chassis, lift the body off and put on the body from the stat. Though I'm not sure that will fly with wovi as technically the footwell has still been full of water. They're pretty upfront with explaining whether something has no hope of passing inspection so I'll ask and see how I go.

Last week I watched a 2016 ford ranger auction off for $17'000 as a stat-writeoff with impact damage front and back. It was insane.

If your footwell has NOT been full of water then you dont need a 4WD...LOL

The laws are stupid in some cases, but I suppose there must be a line in the sand drawn somewhere.

Originally Posted by Jastel

If your footwell has NOT been full of water then you dont need a 4WD...LOL

The laws are stupid in some cases, but I suppose there must be a line in the sand drawn somewhere.

Hah, fair point.
Technically though I'm actually more interested in the 4x2 hi-rider than the 4x4. Their tow capacity is only 150kg less than the 4x4's 3500kg but an extra 100kg payload, slightly better fuel economy and less things to go wrong!

[Tassie f100]

I see Pickles have a 2014 repairable write off listed on their E salvage site.Some body and water damage.Current bid $10200.Its in Kerang maybe too far away for you.

Thanks Tassie. I'll keep it in mind but I'm going to hold off for a few weeks to see what crops up in QLD.
I've emailed Ford to find out whether the single cabs, super cabs and double cabs all use the chassis as that would widen my options if they do. Haven't heard back yet though. Maybe they won't even offer up that info, who knows.

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

I see Pickles have a 2014 repairable write off listed on their E salvage site.Some body and water damage.Current bid $10200.Its in Kerang maybe too far away for you.

That car sold for just under $16k. Seems way over-priced IMPO.

[Vesper Martini]

That's what you will find. people pay too much at Auctions. combine the cost of repair and its soo much easier to Buy a car already registered like everyone else.

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

That's what you will find. people pay too much at Auctions. combine the cost of repair and its soo much easier to Buy a car already registered like everyone else.

It seems to me that NSW and VIC are a little crazy but it's not as bad in QLD.
Personally I think that the price of cars is a bit silly for just a big hunk of metal. It doesn't bother me whether that big hunk of metal is acquired from a member of the public through private sale or rebuilt from pieces of write-offs from the auction. It's just a car, it'll all go back together just like a car.

The cost of repair for me is almost nothing as my family and family friends are reasonably into this sort of stuff so we're all doing it together.
By the end I should have a 2012 ranger in great condition with 100k KM back on the road for around $10k, whereas I think they're still around $30k on the market. That's a pretty good saving of $20k, fingers crossed!

[Vesper Martini]

"into this sort of stuff"
Is a bit different from being a mechanic or panel beater.

TIP. (sorry this is going to sound a bit harsh). But you wont get a 30K Ranger on the Road for 10K. only people in the game with the ability to make repairs themselves will pick up that sort of bargain.
even then they normally don't have the time for it.

You will end up purchasing that big hunk of unregistered metal, and it will sit on somebody's front lawn for 5 years before its towed away to another Auction.

suggest you spend 10K on an older legal 4WD that will do the towing duties just fine

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

"into this sort of stuff"
Is a bit different from being a mechanic or panel beater.

TIP. (sorry this is going to sound a bit harsh). But you wont get a 30K Ranger on the Road for 10K. only people in the game with the ability to make repairs themselves will pick up that sort of bargain.
even then they normally don't have the time for it.

You will end up purchasing that big hunk of unregistered metal, and it will sit on somebody's front lawn for 5 years before its towed away to another Auction.

suggest you spend 10K on an older legal 4WD that will do the towing duties just fine

Do you criticise everyone here or just those that you assume to be incapable?

You've made some pretty big assumptions, none of which I would consider correct but it's your prerogative to think what you like. You've said your bit, I hope that's enough for you to now stop with the patronising comments. Comments that I'm sure aren't ever directed at the majority of the other members here on this forum; a forum that appears to be centred around people modifying Ford vehicles to various degrees...

[Vesper Martini]

Just trying to help.

[Tassie f100]

Well I don't know anything about either Leesas or Bestas background but I have been around for quite a few years and can tell you both that some of the best vehicle rebuilders/ restorers have no formal qualifications in panel or mech repairs

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

suggest you spend 10K on an older legal 4WD that will do the towing duties just fine

someone had to say it

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

someone had to say it

Do you reply to every poster on this forum and tell them not to bother? Or have you just singled me out? If so, care to share why?

[Rallye Sport]

Sometimes I do.
You've been given plenty of good advice and suggestions throughout the thread and I happen to agree with that piece.
Maybe its time to stop worrying about what others think, bite the bullet and do it. You won't get a car by just talking about it
Post some pics of your new car when you're done we'd love to see it.

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

bite the bullet and do it. You won't get a car by just talking about it

Talking about it and doing it aren't mutually exclusive. Maybe you should just calm down and ignore my thread if you disagree with my plan, or at least let it continue in peace.

[Rallye Sport]

on that note I'm off to the shed to play with one of my cars.

This is a bizarre one:
https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-s...loat/902247521

A horse float that's a stat write-off due to fresh water flood damage.
Horse floats spend every trip of their life getting ****ed in and then hosed out. I don't think there's anything that some fresh water could do to it that hasn't already been done to it in its daily life. That one doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by leesa

This is a bizarre one:
https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-s...loat/902247521

A horse float that's a stat write-off due to fresh water flood damage.
Horse floats spend every trip of their life getting ****ed in and then hosed out. I don't think there's anything that some fresh water could do to it that hasn't already been done to it in its daily life. That one doesn't make any sense to me at all.

i reckon that float will get registered, just don,t ask me how.

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Well I don't know anything about either Leesas or Bestas background but I have been around for quite a few years and can tell you both that some of the best vehicle rebuilders/ restorers have no formal qualifications in panel or mech repairs

Thanks Tassie, that's great to hear.
The family and friends that I referred to are actually all either ex or current mechanics and/or panel beaters, some with commercial shops which is where the body swap will be done.
I like to do whatever I can by myself as I refuse to be dependent and I like to learn. I'm still learning of course but I have a great source of help amongst all of these people.
Bevsta has just taken a comment and twisted it to make a judgement. Disappointing but not uncommon.

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i reckon that float will get registered, just don,t ask me how.

Yes I think so too.

The ranger is still a work in process but we're also fixing up a territory. We already have the repairable one and have just bought another flood affected stat writeoff as a donor. The stat is a 2016 ford territory titanium with 4000KM on the clock. Leather interior, some type of dvd-ish player in the back with a screen. It's a beautiful car.

It arrived last week and I'll be damned but there is no water in the car. The water came up to the side steps, didn't come up over the sill at all, definitely didn't enter the car, and it has been recorded as a stat.

There's no point to this post really. It's just an outlet for my frustration at such waste.

Compared with the ranger which had water a third of the way up the door and entered the car.

Just thought I'd post an update to this as I'm trying to go through the inspection process and it's been a minor nightmare so far. Everyone that I speak to has a different version of the process required.

What I do know for certain is that a surrogate VIN is required for this car as it is now comprised of parts with different VINs.

This is how my experience has gone to date:

Call QIS and ask about the process required prior to booking in for an inspection. Told to follow these steps, in order:

1. Get a safety certificate using the vin from the repairable writeoff
2. Take car to QIS for a wovi inspection where we'll refer you to police for a surrogate VIN
3. Go to police, let them do their checks, get the surrogate VIN
4. Get a second safety certificate with the new surrogate VIN
5. Go back to QIS, complete their WOVI inspection
6. Go to transport & main roads and register the car

So I call a mobile roadworthy mechanic. Told:

No, I can't provide you with a safety certificate because the VIN on the cab is different to the VIN on the chassis. You'll need to call QLD Transport.

Call QLD Transport:

No, that advice is wrong

1. Go to your local police station first and get the surrogate VIN
2. Then get safety inspection using the surrogate VIN
3. Then take car to QIS for a wovi inspection

Call local QLD Police station:

No, we can't provide you with a surrogate VIN directly, you need to be referred by QLD Transport.

1. Go to QLD transport, get a form and then contact us again when you've got the form.

Call QLD transport again to get the form number in advance incase the people at the desk don't know:

No, that advice is wrong, you need to do this:

1. Contact a police station directly to obtain a surrogate VIN.
2. Conta....

Oh, they already directed you to me? Ok 2 mins let me check and come back to you.

1. OK, what you need to do is drive the car (which is unregistered and without a roadworthy) to a QLD transport inspection centre and we'll inspect it
2. Then we'll refer you to the police, where you'll drive the (still unregistered and no roadworthy) car to police for their inspection and then we'll just re-register it for you. (What happened to the WOVI inspection?)

Thought that sounded absurd so I called the local police station to ask how they felt about an unregistered car with no roadworthy being driven on the road. Was (quite rightfully) told not to do that, that QLD transport are quite wrong and that wouldn't even be accepted as an excuse if I was pulled over. Fair enough point there I suppose but I'm sure there are people who would have followed their advice and been booked, and that's not entirely fair.

My plan of action is to call the police station back and hope that they have some old application/referrals on hand, and ask if they might be able to read me out the QLD transport form number.

Dealing with all the various departments is actually the most stressful part of this whole process.

[Jastel]

I feel your pain...nobody at DTMR will make a decision.

You maybe need to get an unregistered vehicle permit, which means you pay CTP so it is insured and are allowed to drive it from home to the inspection point. You need all your paperwork in the car with you to prove what you are doing. Costs about $20 and $20 per day insurance...but your vehicle ID may be a problem?

Again it depends on who you talk to.
Usually it takes 2-3 tries to find someone with knowledge of anything other than speeding tickets at DTMR.

I know people who have bought unregistered cars in BNE and driven them to Cairns...saying THEIR garage is in Cairns so the permit is valid. Luckily nothing happened.

Can you borrow some trade plates...that's the easiest way out.

Yeah it's really bizzare, I'm going around in circles.
Unregistered permits and even trade plates I don't think will help as the car doesn't have a roadworthy. From what I've been told, no vehicle is allowed on the road in any fashion without a safety certificate, but it's unobtainable without first getting the surrogate VIN but getting it is proving complicated.

Apparently it used to be a case of just taking the car to qld police for an inspection and a new VIN, but they don't deal with the public direct anymore, they insist on being referred from QLD Transport.

So it looks like I need to go to QLD Transport and ask to be referred to QLD Police for a surrogate VIN. Noone can say whether I need to take the car to QLD Transport when I ask for the surrogate VIN, so I'm going to hope it's a no. Fingers crossed.

[Vesper Martini]

Vic roads offer an unregistered vehicle permit
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/regi...vehicle-permit

So do QLD
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/buy...registered/uvp

[5.8]

In NSW you can drive an unregistered vehicle for a listed number of reasons, the last and most important reason which covers everything is something similar to - for any other purpose associated with the registering of the vehicle.

QLD must have something similar otherwise how would a car without a safety certificate obtain that certificate in the first place? Surely they don't have to be towed to the inspection?