Let's discuss diesel...

[simon varley]

if you take the emotion out of the equation, there is very little difference in the health and environmental risks between new petrol and diesel engines. This is especially true now that more and more petrol cars are also running high pressure direct injection fuel systems. The micro particulates that everyone is worried about from diesels are just as much of an issue in petrol cars, and providing the cars are maintained well the NOx emissions of both are very similar.

It does make me laugh though that while we are having these discussions, and as long as there are no yearly checks on our cars, we are flooded with crap from both petrol and diesel old cars.....

[smoo]

Originally Posted by arronm

Just ask VW how clean diesel vehicles really are. They should be banned.... Driving a diesel vehicle says I dont care about the environment or peoples health...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-2...cities/9491680

Are you for real?
Selective outrage from those who like to take a moral high ground on environmental and health issues for one minute of their day.

Do you **** & **** into clean drinking water?
Do you consume dairy and meat products from intensive farming on a daily or even weekly basis?
Do you contribute to excessive consumerism thanks to the rampant throw away materialistic culture of the west?

Bet my bottom dollar you and all the others who sing the same tune (enviro nazis exempted) answer yes to all of that.

Considering we have appaling obesity, drug, alcohol, mental health issues a minority of the motoring/private fleet public getting around in diesels is irrelevant. Go and root for some real causes which are doing 1 million times more damage to society and the environment than the crap you spewed out above.

Originally Posted by prydey

Are the tailpipe emissions any more carcinogenic than aspartime or non stick coatings, or a myriad of other things we surround ourselves with every day?

Passive smoking will kill you long before diesel will and yet smoking isn't illegal!

aspartame and non-stick coatings are things that you can choose to use or avoid if you so wish. Passive smoking is something forced on you by other (inconsiderate) people, we have no choice to breathe it in other than trying to walk around their clouds so yes I personally think it should be regulated more heavily.

How would you feel if I regularly stood beside you while mixing up chemicals that have a possibility of killing you down the track? You'd rightfully tell me to **** off and do it elsewhere, or at least prevent the fumes from getting over to you by containing them. Yet smokers don't care that they're doing the same thing to other people.

If your whole point is "well there are plenty of things in the world already that will kill you" then why should we bother trying to make things safer at all? Why not bring back lead paint? CFCs? wood treated with ar_senic?
There are people concerned about this stuff, why does that make them part of the tinfoil hat brigade?

[Ross 1]

Originally Posted by leesa

Yet smokers don't care that they're doing the same thing to other people.

Plus we look really cool whilst not caring, think Sean Connery/Steve McQueen.

[roKWiz]

I've had this same conversions several times over the years on cycling forums where they don't want semi's clogging up their roads during peak hour but expect their fresh bread and fresh avo's to be in store first thing in the morning for their arrival into town.

These same people whinge about trucks and the pollution they cause ?? but are quite happy to jump on planes every weekend and fly out of town to ride their bike somewhere safe from those polluting trucks, just ask the pollies flying out of Canberra every Friday night who make these stupid laws.

As for stopping semi's from journeying into the cities so little Freddie doesn't have to smell diesel good luck with that. Some of the dimwits I meet who have never seen where their food comes from need to open their eyes.
In the US, the Republic of Commie-fornia has banned trucks which don't use particulate filters from venturing over their border but are starting to feel the pitch of trucking companies refusing to supply them fuel and food from the other lower 47 states.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by prydey

i hope you don't drink any low sugar drinks (or anything with artificial sweetener in it), or cook with non stick coated cookware, or talk to long with your mobile phone pressed to your ear....
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Or wine ? preservatives 223, 228

[Bossxr8]

The thing with making diesels cleaner is it makes the soot particles smaller, and more easily absorbed by the lungs.

The same thing is the case with petrol direct injection. I believe that the next Euro emissions level will require direct injection petrol engines to have a particulate filter just like diesels do.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by arronm

Just ask VW how clean diesel vehicles really are. They should be banned.... Driving a diesel vehicle says I dont care about the environment or peoples health...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-2...cities/9491680

Don,t fool yourself for a minute longer,thinking that,because you can,t smell petrol that the fumes won,t kill you any less than diesel.Remember the old saying,what you can,t see will hurt you just as much as that, that you can see ( smell)

[burnz]

Originally Posted by lovford

Diesel cars to be banned in 4 magor cites by 2025. Watch it spread like wild fire from there. And deservedly so. Oil company's trumpeted diesels because it was the only way for them to get rid of there mid grade fuel. It had previously been used for heating but gas replaced it. Its big corp telling lies to flog a product. Similar to the tobacco company's.

there are by-products of any refinery, if the refinery make petrol then diesel, lpg, tar, grease, avgas, kero, clothing, is a by-product..

pick any type fuel,, the other fuels are by-products..
so the fuel you want is subsidised by the fuel you don't want..

[Falcon SXR8]

How bad is the smell from a clevo running a carb??? If it's real bad I'm done because I love that old school smell

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

How bad is the smell from a clevo running a carb??? If it's real bad I'm done because I love that old school smell

Or my carbie Xflow,
I'm like that with mechanical diesels, red lead, Emolium and Copronol but I love old trucks and wooden boats.

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by lovford

Trucking industry will be exempt. ( Although they wont be allowed in cities)There will be depots out of town where goods are unloaded from diesel semis then put on smaller greener vans to then be distributed through out the more congested cities.

"...and then he scooped up his beautiful princess onto his magnificent white stallion and they rode off into the sunset and lived happily ever after..."

Bugger me - I think there's a planet out there somewhere that's missing an inhabitant...

[GTMOND]

The only problem I have with diesel vehicles today, is the loss of simplicity of a diesel.
As long as you had a clean supply of diesel free of air and compression, she would be a goer.
Now with the emissions side of things, electronics have made them not much different in reliability to a petrol.

I realise manufacturers had little option, just a shame.
The single biggest breakdown problems with the trucks at work isn’t mechanical as such, but the sensors and general electronics to run them, and then Adblu problems is another one.

[yearby]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The thing with making diesels cleaner is it makes the soot particles smaller, and more easily absorbed by the lungs.

The same thing is the case with petrol direct injection. I believe that the next Euro emissions level will require direct injection petrol engines to have a particulate filter just like diesels do.

What particle emissions are emitted from a petrol engines?

Doesn't make sense unless I have missed something?????????????

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by leesa

Can anyone tell me what the health implications are for people who drive diesels?

I've been driving a diesel for 6 months now and it always smells, particularly first thing in the morning, it's quite a dirty sooty smell that I never smelt with my petrol cars.
I make sure to drive it long enough/often enough for it to kick off a DPF burn but it doesn't seem to make any difference. Every weekend I'll take up a country(ish) road or a highway for 30-60 minutes, but even after doing 500KM a few weeks ago it still smelt the next morning.

I've had a watery throat for the past couple months and am now wondering whether it's related to diesel soot? Does anyone else get that problem?

I've had no si si si si si si side effects from my di di di di di diesel car or trucks..........I'm all go go go go go go go good..........

[marty351]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

I've had no si si si si si si side effects from my di di di di di diesel car or trucks..........I'm all go go go go go go go good..........

And now add hypothermia to the list of diesel side effects.

[My32Doors]

Originally Posted by lovford

Because there filthy dirty things that kill people.

Might convert the Clevo to diesel and go for a tour past one of your filthy dirty power stations. You know, the ones used to make electricity to refine your exceptionally non polluting petrol.

[lovford]

Originally Posted by My32Doors

Might convert the Clevo to diesel and go for a tour past one of your filthy dirty power stations. You know, the ones used to make electricity to refine your exceptionally non polluting petrol.

The powr stations aren't riding up behind you and filling your cabins with particle killing ****. Ever tried to ride a bike behind a badly tunned diesel, I have I had to spew more than three times in one week thanks to diesal buyers that have no fkn idea how to maintain a diesel and think its clean for life. Dumb fcks. Lets face it if a car works who give a fck how many people it kills. Who gives a fck how many black femusit bellows. Monitor the amount of black carsiagenics you car is producing and do something about it you filthy lasy pricks.

[lovford]

Originally Posted by yearby

What particle emissions are emitted from a petrol engines?

Doesn't make sense unless I have missed something?????????????

None, its only co2 its ten times more cleaner than diesals.

[lovford]

Originally Posted by burnz

there are by-products of any refinery, if the refinery make petrol then diesel, lpg, tar, grease, avgas, kero, clothing, is a by-product..

pick any type fuel,, the other fuels are by-products..
so the fuel you want is subsidised by the fuel you don't want..

Co2 is much less harmful to the inhabitants because it rises into the atmosphere and causes globle warming, bad or good, this is for another discussion. But filthy diesel remains at ground level for baby and every other human to injest every time they walk out the safety of there own home. I thimk its time to see facial masks used to protect against these incidious cancer causing and many other respitary ilineses that are bought on wholly buy diesel ingestatin. Terrible legacy that pollies and big oil have sweeped under the rug and will cost them 500 billion in the next 15 years

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by lovford

The powr stations aren't riding up behind you and filling your cabins with particle killing ****. Ever tried to ride a bike behind a badly tunned diesel, I have I had to spew more than three times in one week thanks to diesal buyers that have no fkn idea how to maintain a diesel and think its clean for life. Dumb fcks. Lets face it if a car works who give a fck how many people it kills. Who gives a fck how many black femusit bellows. Monitor the amount of black carsiagenics you car is producing and do something about it you filthy lasy pricks.

I bet your one of them that rides your bike in the middle of the lane in the centre of the city expecting everyone to drive around you while you complain about the fumes ....why dont you F off to the country where you can stop and smell the daisys and get out of the way of my fume belching rig with my 40,ooo litres of toxic fuel on board to keep all the other fume belchers going so we can all get about our business of sustaining our families in things they need

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by lovford

The powr stations aren't riding up behind you and filling your cabins with particle killing ****. Ever tried to ride a bike behind a badly tunned diesel, I have I had to spew more than three times in one week thanks to diesal buyers that have no fkn idea how to maintain a diesel and think its clean for life. Dumb fcks. Lets face it if a car works who give a fck how many people it kills. Who gives a fck how many black femusit bellows. Monitor the amount of black carsiagenics you car is producing and do something about it you filthy lasy pricks.

Goodness me - I nearly spewed three times in one minute trying to decipher that one. Please consider giving spell check a try. It's free and is guaranteed to contain none of those nasty carsiagenics.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by lovford

The powr stations aren't riding up behind you and filling your cabins with particle killing ****. Ever tried to ride a bike behind a badly tunned diesel, I have I had to spew more than three times in one week thanks to diesal buyers that have no fkn idea how to maintain a diesel and think its clean for life. Dumb fcks. Lets face it if a car works who give a fck how many people it kills. Who gives a fck how many black femusit bellows. Monitor the amount of black carsiagenics you car is producing and do something about it you filthy lasy pricks.

Mate if you had to spew 3 times in a week it ain't the diesel fumes you probably have a stomach wog

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by lovford

Because there filthy dirty things that kill people.

Lucky the car you own that runs on Unleaded doesnt pollute at all.

You could walk out onto the road and get hit by a truck tommorrow, stupid thread is stupid.




(more than likely the truck that hits you is a diesel)

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by lovford

Co2 is much less harmful to the inhabitants because it rises into the atmosphere and causes globle warming, bad or good, this is for another discussion. But filthy diesel remains at ground level for baby and every other human to injest every time they walk out the safety of there own home. I thimk its time to see facial masks used to protect against these incidious cancer causing and many other respitary ilineses that are bought on wholly buy diesel ingestatin. Terrible legacy that pollies and big oil have sweeped under the rug and will cost them 500 billion in the next 15 years

What's green and starts with a "H"...............
You have to be related........

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by lovford

None, its only co2 its ten times more cleaner than diesals.

Sorry,

https://www.transportenvironment.org...rect-injection

Emits 10x more than none direct injection petrol.

BTW, i love my little diesel. Way more economical than a turbo petrol equivalent.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by lovford

The powr stations aren't riding up behind you and filling your cabins with particle killing ****. Ever tried to ride a bike behind a badly tunned diesel, I have I had to spew more than three times in one week thanks to diesal buyers that have no fkn idea how to maintain a diesel and think its clean for life. Dumb fcks. Lets face it if a car works who give a fck how many people it kills. Who gives a fck how many black femusit bellows. Monitor the amount of black carsiagenics you car is producing and do something about it you filthy lasy pricks.

Have also been behind bikes and cars spewing out foul fumes that would make you sick, take your narrow mindedness argument somewhere else.

[roddy1960]

Right at the minute , without diesels of all sorts the planet couldn't function. It's as simple as that . Try getting millions of tonnes of food , equipment , general goods , even people to work or school among other things without diesel powered vehicles . Building infrastructure and other vital construction or even demolition would be basically impossible at a sustainable cost and speed.

I know in regard to really heavy duty rail movements the cost of moving massive weights via diesel electric locomotives is the only way we get our stuff and locomotive manufacturers are meeting even stricter emission requirements as we speak. This type of freight , essential , is arriving cleaner and cleaner as each year passes. It has to . No doubt trucking and automotive diesel manufacturers are doing it better too , mostly anyway .

To the do gooders on this subject , maybe you should consider all the aspects of diesel before the baby gets hurled out with the bath water.

[DRU842]

The change of Government support for diesel is having knock on effects in all sorts of areas. The cut back in subsidies for bio-diesel is leading to shortages and price increases for glycerine (they are typically co-produced) in food & personal care; regardless of the source, palm, corn, rapeseed or animal fat.
Government regulating markets is all well & good but enforcement of the regulations and/or bias in establishing the regulations ie the VW Diesel gate saga, is always lots of fun when politics overrides good science.

[roddy1960]

Something to read on a rainy day perhaps.

https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/...sion_Paper.pdf