How lucky are we. - Page 2

MO · 25-06-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

wait, so you never had to produce your id when buying grog in the NT?

never been to the nt.. but sounds like serious

Yep......

MO · 25-06-2007, 10:03 PM

OK just another log on the fire how long before this is settled ...I say 50 to 100years.

schnoods · 25-06-2007, 10:04 PM

I once went to Tennant Creek (to by my pano) and was amazed and disgraced by the amount of red cans and port bottles as i was entering the town. In Alice the Todd River would be just about swimming in goon bags and cans.

I used to live in Darwin for 4 years and being a little bit tanned ( my mum is of asian dissent) I was constantly being hit up for smokes, 2 dollars by the local "itinerants" (the cant call em aboriginal or indigenous anymore, apparently it singles them out) and got to the stage where alot of bottle shops refused to sell cask wine and cheaper brands of port. I have even been asked to buy a bottle of methylated spirits. I almost felt like taking the money and buy them bottled water.

It is a real eye opener especially out in the communities. I once worked at Maningrida and Milikipati (glad i dont anymore) and it is worse out there. Bandages on people are the norm and even the petrol sniffing is a major problem. My employer always left out a cup of petrol every night so they didnt break into the shed and drain the tanks of petrol. The communities are supposed to be dry but they never are. Even dope is rife throughtout, alot of dealers are going out to communities and selling what is considered "bush weed" (low strength cannabis) and making 5 times what they would sell it normally. The money comes from the hand outs they government gives.

It really is a sad state of affairs and needs to be adressed ASAP. I have my views and thoughts as i have seen it first hand. Its disturbing to say the least.

DOC · 25-06-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

All is being revealed in the thread..a slow process but a proven one.
Enjoy that drink while you can.
Have'nt checked but I think Im older.

All is good here, you made my day, funny reply cracked me up

Outbackjack · 25-06-2007, 10:09 PM

50 to 100 years is not far off the mark. There are some very non politically correct descisions that need to be made. It is all about people taking responsibility for them selves and not hiding behind an ancient culture or dark skin.

In this country, if you choose to die in the gutter from alcohol poisoning, a daily occurance out here, it is your own descision. No-one should feel sorry for you.

MO · 25-06-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

50 to 100 years is not far off the mark. There are some very non politically correct descisions that need to be made. It is all about people taking responsibility for them selves and not hiding behind an ancient culture or dark skin.

In this country, if you choose to die in the gutter from alcohol poisoning, a daily occurance out here, it is your own descision. No-one should feel sorry for you.

The light at the end of the tunnel is weak but will grow stronger.

it just needs ppl to open their eyes and see the real probs and were on the way.

Billy351 · 25-06-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

Are you in the Alice..if not its coming your way soon..first the alcohol then what is next..your right to drive from point A to point B through checkpoints having you and your car searched.

BAh, we had that at Coogee and Maroubra after the Cronulla "riots". What do you show them if you don't have a driver's license? Isn't that discriminatory against those who just walk about?

eb_5litre · 25-06-2007, 10:24 PM

Maybe a good incentive to give up drinking perhaps?

MO · 25-06-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy351

BAh, we had that at Coogee and Maroubra after the Cronulla "riots". What do you show them if you don't have a driver's license? Isn't that discriminatory against those who just walk about?

Appreciate your input..but a totally unrelated subject!

Outbackjack · 25-06-2007, 10:28 PM

Perhaps I should post some photo's here so some can get an idea of what has been happening for the last forty odd years, I think that there is a connection there!!

MO · 25-06-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eb_5litre

Maybe a good incentive to give up drinking perhaps?

Get real!!

MO · 25-06-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Perhaps I should post some photo's here so some can get an idea of what has been happening for the last forty odd years, I think that there is a connection there!!

Good idea mate if you can would be great......

**Chris** · 25-06-2007, 10:36 PM

The state of some of the places up north is just tragic............

Let me be perfectly clear - whether you are white, black, red yellow or otherwise, abusing children and the welfare system is not on.

If some people have to cut down on grog to support a program that is designed to help the children, then so be it. I love a beer, but would prefer to place the needs of children above my own.

As whitney said, i believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way................

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**Polyal** · 25-06-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

The state of some of the places up north is just tragic............

Let me be perfectly clear - whether you are white, black, red yellow or otherwise, abusing children and the welfare system is not on.

If some people have to cut down on grog to support a program that is designed to help the children, then so be it. I love a beer, but would prefer to place the needs of children above my own.

As whitney said, i believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way................

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Thats the deepest thing I have ever seen you type/say!

You have gone soft!...jk

Someone will always harp on how we are never doing the right thing, but its better than doing nothing at all. Problem is I guess you want see results for years to come, this is a very long term thing.

MITCHAY · 25-06-2007, 10:45 PM

**** me, I'd be majorly stuffed if I lived there

Outbackjack · 25-06-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

**** me, I'd be majorly stuffed if I lived there

I hear you.......

samftr · 25-06-2007, 10:53 PM

do any of you guys listen to John Laws show in the morning? He often has I think his name is Mal brough or something along those lines, and he says that there are blokes selling their kids (under 12 years old etc) for a can of beer. absolutely disgusting practices. some kids as young as 6 months old are getting abused.

I know of one caller who rang up to say that there was a child in a wheelchair.

the child was in the wheelchair because her pelvis was smashed to pieces

you can imagine how that happened - by her 66 year old grandfather no less. So I really can see why nearing an election finally something is going to be done about it.

Growing up in Townsville, visiting Cairns, mareeba, and farther north to places like Wujjal Wujjal and Bloomsfield I have seen my fair share of drunken aboriginal people and the violence that is associated with it. in parks malls pubs etc etc.
It is a big problem that needs to be addressed.

I just hope they give some sort of medication to the alcoholic people there who will no doubt go into seizures (and inevitably die) from withdrawal symptoms from alcohol withdrawals.

Outbackjack · 25-06-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by samftr

I just hope they give some sort of medication to the alcoholic people there who will no doubt go into seizures (and inevitably die) from withdrawal symptoms from alcohol withdrawals.

This might sound callous, but that might be a positive outcome. There is no point rehabilatating a drunk if they are just going to go straight back onto the grog. What most Australians don't understand is many of these people have never been to school. ie , they can't speak english, cant read or write, they are unemployable in any way and have totally turned away from their culture, except if they can use it to get lighter sentences when in court. The issues in outback Australia run deeper than 99% of Australians uinderstand.

Flak jacket donned.

**Polyal** · 25-06-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

This might sound callous, but that might be a positive outcome. There is no point rehabilatating a drunk if they are just going to go straight back onto the grog. What most Australians don't understand is many of these people have never been to school. ie , they can't speak english, cant read or write, they are unemployable in any way and have totally turned away from their culture, except if they can use it to get lighter sentences when in court. The issues in outback Australia run deeper than 99% of Australians uinderstand.

Flak jacket donned.

I think the average Joe wont understand, but those who actually care, instead of pretending to care will get it.

Its a ***** situation, which can only be fixed with harsh measures, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

samftr · 25-06-2007, 11:09 PM

yeah dude, I have seen that too. Sit down money is what they call it. Gawd moved to brisbane to get away from being asked if I have a spare cigarette bruddah. then saying no I dont smoke, then running away so I dont get bashed by a group of em! AYE KARUMBA!!!

Those who want help might not necessarily know the implications of overdrinking, nor the problems associated with withdrawals, my own father had to go through rehab for grog problems. I tells ya, watching a grown man sweat and shiver and stuff like they are a little kid with a fever is a very scary thing let alone knowing full well they might cark it at any time from the withdrawal symptoms.

DoreSlamR · 26-06-2007, 12:44 AM

back on the sale of single items of alcohol, surely, in your average NT town, if you were a regular drinker you are gonna know the guy at the bottle shop (i'm talking mates rates here) and how is such a law going to be policed anyway? fair enough you'll enforce it when the need arises, its there to stop the child abuse and as others have said, its out of control and needs to be eradicated as fast as humanly possible, so i dont see the big deal about the restrictions.

Rodp · 26-06-2007, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MO

Are you in the Alice..if not its coming your way soon..first the alcohol then what is next..your right to drive from point A to point B through checkpoints having you and your car searched.

That's one enormous leap of faith from having to show a licence at a Bottleo so you can buy 1 bottle to having to drive through checkpoints and be searched. How do you even calculate that logic?!

MO · 26-06-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

That's one enormous leap of faith from having to show a licence at a Bottleo so you can buy 1 bottle to having to drive through checkpoints and be searched. How do you even calculate that logic?!

Not really there are grog runners in The Territory..load up the car out to camps and resell at outrageous profit.

Rodp · 26-06-2007, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MO

Not really there are grog runners in The Territory..load up the car out to camps and resell at outrageous profit.

I still fail to see your actual point. It would appear that your primary concern is that this is going to spread country wide and we're all going to have to travel through checkpoints, ala Mad Max all because it will be inconvenient for you to buy alcohol. If I was reduced to buying 1 alcoholic beverage, it'll be the absolute least of my problems.

So instead of complaining about the new measures and acting like this is the worst thing that could possibly happen in Australia, how do you propose the problems be addressed in NT?

26-06-2007, 09:34 AM

Sure they are tough measures but if it stops 1 child from being abused it would be well worth it. Its a bit unfair that this effects people who may have done no wrong, but as much as getting on the **** seems like a part of Aussie culture, it is not a nessecity, those who see it as that more than likely have an alcohol problem.

Scott · 26-06-2007, 10:39 AM

The rules were created to fix one component of the demographic but because we are a friendly place we won't apply the rules to a group, we apply them to the wider community so that no-one feels left out or alienated. The issues in NT need fixing, they seem to revolve around grog, so limiting the supply seems like a good thing. If the supply is not limited, the other alternative is to price it out of reach of those who abuse it - how would you feel if you were paying $150.00 for a bottle of spirits?

Go from shop to pub to shop when you're in town or order your grog from interstate on a monthly basis and have it delivered to you either at home, the post office or local shop.

Rules are rules, gotta admit they suck but unless you've got a better idea, you'll have to learn to live with or manipulate them

MO · 26-06-2007, 01:34 PM

OK not complaining just raising a subject that now seems to be a real can of worms.
The alcohol restrictions were just the start.
It now appears that some ppl are leaving their camps and hiding out in the desert/scrub..for fear their kids are going to be taken away..stolen generation again?

There is also talk that the permit system for entering certain lands is going to be scrapped along with the councils that control them. Some see it as another way of getting back all that land.

I don't disagree that something has to be done about the problem what I am concerned about is the way its being done. It smacks of gung ho gangbusters with no account given to the cultural aspects of the ppl concerned.

Hope this clarifies where I'm coming from.
Also where are the med staff going to come from and their support we are so short of Doctors now what happens to the places they leave.

xe351 · 26-06-2007, 02:12 PM

i reckon its one of the best things JH has done.

Outbackjack · 26-06-2007, 02:23 PM

This issues surrounding the Indiginous people of this country are many and varied. But everyone must take account of their own actions and in-actions. It is hard to blame just one issue for their current situation.

**FTE217** · 26-06-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

This issues surrounding the Indiginous people of this country are many and varied. But everyone must take account of their own actions and in-actions. It is hard to blame just one issue for their current situation.

hear hear.....and well done JH for making the decision.

MO stolen generation ? red herring burley.....