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21-01-2010, 03:12 PM | #31 | ||
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21-01-2010, 03:18 PM | #32 | ||
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What, the production of the car or the journalism surrounding it?? Cos the two seem to be completely unrelated currently
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21-01-2010, 03:22 PM | #33 | |||
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Title should read; "Research into topic by journalists (sic) beyond surfing the net is DEAD".
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21-01-2010, 03:23 PM | #34 | ||
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I don't think the Mums & Dads of Aust want to tow there Caravan with a mustang( if they could afford it). If Taurus comes here to replace Falcon they may as well pack up & go home. Why would you add another FWD vehicle to an already FWD bloated buyers line up?
Ford sells in Aust because it is RWD, there must be a reason because anything else doesn't stand up against it. Last edited by cosmo20btt; 21-01-2010 at 03:28 PM. |
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21-01-2010, 03:25 PM | #35 | |||
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Ahh FWD gives us more room in the same size car... Exterior - harder to park, need a garage 20cm longer Falcon 4.97*1.86*1.45m Taurus 5.15*1.93*1.54m Interior - where did all that efficiency go? Falcon - Shoulder Room 1523/1518, Leg Room 1080/989 Taurus - Shoulder Room 1470/1445, Leg Room 1064/968 This is all about Ford stopping the duplication of engineering. If they have to kill off the Australian market I don't think they care. Unless Ford Australia design the GRWD then the large Australian car is over - we'll all be driving Camry clones (or older Fords) |
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21-01-2010, 04:02 PM | #36 | ||
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Does it ******** anyone else off that the bloody yanks need to have their tons and gallon measurement values different to everyone else?? (eg us ton and gallon different to uk/au ton and gallon). Do get sick of their being different for the sake of being different crap.
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21-01-2010, 04:15 PM | #37 | |||
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21-01-2010, 04:18 PM | #38 | |||
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21-01-2010, 05:43 PM | #39 | |||
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thats just how americans are dude. they think there above everyone. but lets not talk about them. i have plenty of grievances with them. about the falcon. im a holden guy but i would hate to see the falcon die. i love the rivalry the red and blue has had over the years it keeps people intristed. but sadly people have changed. no one seems to care anymore about cars. everything is about money to most people these days. somethings are more important then money. |
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21-01-2010, 05:53 PM | #40 | |||
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Is it likely that they have been working on FG II and Territory Projects that are nearing completion? |
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21-01-2010, 07:34 PM | #41 | |||
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Falcon FWD with no performance image or utes would die a slow death. You may aswell just replace it with Mondeo. |
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21-01-2010, 08:00 PM | #42 | |||
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I think that is a great part of the answer.... It would be great to see some movement on Falcon through PD, it seems there is not much happening at all on that front except for the I4 and mid cycle update. |
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21-01-2010, 08:56 PM | #43 | |||
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production enough mount a compelling business case for a post 2015 Falcon. Truthfully, I think that's what they are waiting on, to see if their product strategy with fleet/private buyers produces real fruit or if they need to do something else. look at the current dilemma with S/W Falcon, Mondeo sells 315 total in December - not good so maybe plan B is something else.... That would be them most logical reason for waiting until mid 2011 before announcing which way they go... Last edited by jpd80; 21-01-2010 at 09:02 PM. |
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21-01-2010, 09:01 PM | #44 | ||
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FoEurope went FWD only in the mid 90s, and their chassis have improved ever since. Our product development team seems more aligned to European tuning so it could see an improvement. Judging by WRX and Liberty Passat etc's success, the world is obviously hungry for performance AWD large cars. And about FWD ute- if the Transit can be FWD why couldn't there be an FWD ute?
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21-01-2010, 09:09 PM | #45 | |||
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21-01-2010, 09:10 PM | #46 | |||
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That would then allow the Falcon sedan to be made much lighter particularly if the 2300 Kg towing capacity was reduced to 1500 Kg.... Oh, and I have no objection to a FWD Ute provided you don't expect people to haul a full 1-tonne load up a steep hill. Most of the larger Transits are RWD by the way..... |
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21-01-2010, 09:25 PM | #47 | |||
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We can bet the house that there won't be anything like that with global vehicles being assigned to those segments. eg: T6. Why make Falcon lighter if there is Mondeo ? (That is what the "powers" will be thinking / saying). I know there was serious thought on a local Mondeo a while ago, and also potentially a SUV version (Territory like top hot on that chassis). I wonder what the FoA business plan actually says on all of this. There WILL be business plan assumptions that have already been made. They won't be flying by the seat of their pants (Oh we haven't made the decision yet !), so the decision one way or the other will be in the plan....... It maybe not be locked in 100 %, but the intent will be there. Osborne was 'sold' on the Mondeo idea from what I've heard. However with Focus now gone and no FWD programs back in Broadmeadows......... who knows, especially with Mondeo sales ATM. It seems that Burela is pushing the idea of the Mondeo Wagon to fleets, I wonder if that is the foot in the door. |
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21-01-2010, 09:47 PM | #48 | ||||||
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OK not getting sassy with you but this is my take, global FWDs aren't working in Australia, maybe Fiesta
will be the best of the bunch but please Focus and Mondeo are getting their A$$es handed to them. And any thoughts of using Mondeo S/W as a falcon S/W replacement look awful shakey when sales barely scratch 315 for December. Burela must be a worried man..... Quote:
will get anywhere near Hilux, That's where a "different" Falcon Ute based on Territory might capture some sales in tandem, like it does now, they complement each other. Quote:
if Falcon goes that's it for Broadmeadows, no other product will be built there as all can be sourced elsewhere more cheaply. Don't mean to be negative but "One Ford" volume products have to be built in high volume factories. CD4 would be cool though, diesels, Hybrids and chance of Ecoboost V6 and AWD Quote:
Ford would not invest $230 million on a maybe model like this. This is the direction Kuzak wants the Falcon to go - he can sell that to the chiefs. Quote:
1500 Sportwagons in December, Holden is 75% fleet sales remember.... Last edited by jpd80; 21-01-2010 at 09:54 PM. |
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21-01-2010, 09:52 PM | #49 | |||
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Lets put things in perspective: Ford sold 315 Mondeo hatches and wagons in petrol and diesel in Dec. Holden sold over 1500 petrol Commodore Sportwagons in Dec.... The Mondeo wagon is not going to save the day, a new Falcon wagon has a much better chance in increasing sales and I'l be there to order a XR6 wagon in dash green if it was coming. Last edited by Brazen; 21-01-2010 at 09:58 PM. |
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21-01-2010, 09:56 PM | #50 | ||
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Pity Ecoboost I-4 Falcon couldn't kill two birds with one stone and be a new wagon too....
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21-01-2010, 09:58 PM | #51 | |||
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I think it is a lot safer to have Marin Burela in the drivers seat at FoA rather than Osborne or that clown Gorman. Yes... if Falcon goes, I think it's "good bye" for local manufacturing for FoA. Sportswagon won't be considered by Telstra - they could fit more in the boot of a sedan... Other fleets who buy Falcon Wagon's won't replace those with Sportswagons if load carrying is important. Mondeo Wagon WILL be Fords pitch to fleets... mark my word...... |
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21-01-2010, 10:03 PM | #52 | ||
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Fair enough, I think we both agree that Ford has a lot of ground to make up in fleet sales across the board.
What ever products the end up with I hope they are successful and pinch sales off Holden and Toyota. That Hybrid is going to be a tough nut, maybe a diesel Falcon with 7 L/100 km would have been better..... I recall seeing Burela expecting Aussie annual sales to to 1.2 million in 2015 and with it Falcon sales, that could be good news particularly if we have a very economical model there to boot... Edit, If Telstra are down to less than 300 sales a month then they are not a big customer, maybe Ford is better looking to the private buyer with a Sportwagon... Heck, they were right with that strategy in the sedans..... |
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21-01-2010, 10:04 PM | #53 | |||
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That number includes 'User Choosers' also... |
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21-01-2010, 10:07 PM | #54 | |||
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My dealer froend tells me mostly Telstra and grey nomads.... |
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21-01-2010, 10:08 PM | #55 | ||
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The Australian Falcon IS dead. If there is a Falcon after the FG, it will bebased on a US platform. Therefore Ford Australia will no longer be in control of the design.
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21-01-2010, 10:10 PM | #56 | |||
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Really what does the Mondeo wagon offer that you cant get anywhere else from any other manufacturer...? If I was Holden I would be developing a storage shelf system for the diesel 2wd Captiva for use as a potential future Telstra vehicle. Mark my words, Mondeo will not be a success in the fleet world. Its Euro origins will price it out of many fleet bids, its high maintenance and parts costs will kill operating budgets, its poor fuel economy (petrol) will have it knocked off many tenders, and its imported origins may have some fleets look the other way. Its a great car, just no Falcon wagon. Last edited by Brazen; 21-01-2010 at 10:16 PM. |
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21-01-2010, 10:12 PM | #57 | |||
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Mustang will not share as much as you think with a sedan, i know someone who was on the D2C development team, they scoped using BA at the time but couldn't get the packaging right. That lead to a unique coupe shell that's not easily adaptable back to a sedan. The problem exists and won't go away, it's inherent with Mustang style language. |
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21-01-2010, 10:20 PM | #58 | |||
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21-01-2010, 10:28 PM | #59 | |||
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BUT..... Ford WILL pitch the Mondeo Wagon as a replacement for the Falcon Wagon.. especially to Telstra. BTW: Wagon sales are basically 99 % fleet as far as the BFIII goes. |
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21-01-2010, 10:41 PM | #60 | |||
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As far as I'm concerned, if Ford (globally) decide to bin the RWD architecture of the Aussie falcon, then they are potentially losing an opportunity to enhance the reputation they are building in regards to driving dynamics. It would be a great day to see a Mustang sitting on top of the falcon underpinnings...would make it a true all-round performance sedan (and would make this aussie, and I dare say many others, proud). Here's hoping anyway. |
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