New WADECAM 1636 Experiences - Page 2

neb · 09-08-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by useless

Then the mechanical issues in my prior posts need to be looked at..especially from a bloke like me who has gone through this same problem before.I am banking on incorrect shimming and cam dialling.

well its not incorrect shimming, i shimmed up the rocker gear for him

you are right about the cam not being dialled in yet, but it should still get decent results not dialled in

and yes diff gears is definately his problem, think about it 2.77 diff gears were used to make it cruise decently in 3rd gear, they kill low down performance. it even effected my car's performance decently changing from 3.08 to 3.27. and yes injected's eb running 3.7 ratio diff gears makes it very quick. i know because i raced him and got a better launch then him in my car and he stilled pulled past me!

steven95falc · 09-08-2005, 10:49 AM

hey guys if you have a few mods done i think it may be worth you trying the 977b wade grind its a bit overcamed for a stock motor but once a few mods are done she realy comes into its own however you need the factory limitor removed to get the whole deal

EFFalcon · 09-08-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by steven95falc

hey guys if you have a few mods done i think it may be worth you trying the 977b wade grind its a bit overcamed for a stock motor but once a few mods are done she realy comes into its own however you need the factory limitor removed to get the whole deal

I assume you have one fitted?
if so have you had your car dynoed with it or any 1/4 runs?

steven95falc · 09-08-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by neb

well its not incorrect shimming, i shimmed up the rocker gear for him

you are right about the cam not being dialled in yet, but it should still get decent results not dialled in

and yes diff gears is definately his problem, think about it 2.77 diff gears were used to make it cruise decently in 3rd gear, they kill low down performance. it even effected my car's performance decently changing from 3.08 to 3.27. and yes injected's eb running 3.7 ratio diff gears makes it very quick. i know because i raced him and got a better launch then him in my car and he stilled pulled past me!

hey dude just curious if you know what diff a 95 ef manual would have and also an ea fairmont auto ?

EFFalcon · 09-08-2005, 10:56 AM

EF 5 speed should have a 3.23 single spinner diff.
the EA would depend on model/series (ie. series II Fairmont etc)

pepsimax · 09-08-2005, 11:50 AM

question: do wade make there cams so they need this vernier gear or not ?

if not then one should not be needed to get the benifit of the cam,if one installs a new cam then one should expect it to perform as intended without the need of a vernier gear,if after installing it it won't perform then one must assume there is something not right with the other bits on the engine.if the rest isn't working properly then the cam will no doubt be a dissapointment,if this vernier gear is not required to run the cam then installing one would more than likely be a waste of time and money,the shims a self explanitry.

but if wade do require the installation of this vernier gear then one would assume that with out it the cam will not perform to expectation,i would suggest giveing wade a call and find out if they recommend the use of a vernier gear and if so go ahead but if not then check other options and possibilities.

**Polyal** · 09-08-2005, 12:27 PM

thats a top question...anyone think that a wade cam needs gear?

I know its going to start debate, but it should be able to drop straight in shouldn't it?

INJECTED_250 · 09-08-2005, 12:47 PM

yes... it should work without a vernier gear.... when regrinding a cam there is not much room to grind the lobes of center so there for a regrind cam should not be much of compaired to a stock one. There would be more room for error in a new billet cam

stockstandard · 09-08-2005, 01:14 PM

You can buy the cam, install and measure it, and then buy the vernier if the cam is out. If it turns out OK with the stock gear you saved $100+ on the cam.

I have had two wade cams - 1004-110 regrind and 1521a billet. Both fitted with vernier, and both times clocked up with the vernier in exactly the same place as the stock gear.

Walkinshaw · 09-08-2005, 01:21 PM

Being and auto you could advance the cam 2 deg to try and bring the power on earlier.

pepsimax · 09-08-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I know its going to start debate, but it should be able to drop straight in shouldn't it?

my thoughts exactly,,if they were meant to have the vernier gear then wouldn't they be supplied with them or wouldn't wade recommend them,,i mean some people really go out of their way to make things harder for them selves when they don't have to..

steven95falc · 09-08-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

EF 5 speed should have a 3.23 single spinner diff.
the EA would depend on model/series (ie. series II Fairmont etc)

thanks for the answer champ it is a 89 fairmont piece of with no elec windows or nuthen 3 speed auto i asume im just curious as to if the 3 speed auto will have a higher ratio as i suspect and would it be a sigle pinion open poiece of like mine ro maybe sumthen decent ?

**Stav** · 09-08-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by neb

well its not incorrect shimming, i shimmed up the rocker gear for him

you are right about the cam not being dialled in yet, but it should still get decent results not dialled in

and yes diff gears is definately his problem, think about it 2.77 diff gears were used to make it cruise decently in 3rd gear, they kill low down performance. it even effected my car's performance decently changing from 3.08 to 3.27. and yes injected's eb running 3.7 ratio diff gears makes it very quick. i know because i raced him and got a better launch then him in my car and he stilled pulled past me!

If the car was running great when he first installed it I can guarantee that it is running rich because a retarded cam wont have the vacuum required to make the map /maf sensors work.The standard ecu is not programmed with the reference tables for the change in air speed going in the intake.When the cam is advanced up the air speed down low is increased and the ecu will be able to give better fuelling ...Think about it when the throttles open normally what happens?? Velocity drops ,volume increases and the ecu runs richer to maintain air fuel ratios...Now if we put in a retarded cam..air speed slows/volume does not increase and the overall effect is a very pig rich mixture and bad down low power.

Retarding the cam has exactly the same effect as a bigger cam..and typically boosts top end power. Advancing the cam makes the car better at low speeds.The trick is to find a point where it gives good performance to suit.

Age182 · 09-08-2005, 08:27 PM

whats the phone number to this wade cams need prices or does enyone know who deals with wade and has phone numbers

EFFalcon · 09-08-2005, 09:48 PM

www.fordmods.com members get discounts on wade cams.
so be sure to sign up there and mention them when u purchase.
i think their site is www.wadecams.com

Grechie · 10-08-2005, 12:13 AM

im looking in getting a 3:27 LSD now and i want to get my ignition timing advanced

hopefully that shood give me some extra punch

- Grechie

steven95falc · 10-08-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

I assume you have one fitted?
if so have you had your car dynoed with it or any 1/4 runs?

yea i curently have one fited but due to limited mods to my car i think it is overcammed so we are going to try something like the 977b on the inlet and the 1004 on the exhaust, the resuls of the cam are unknown due to having not tested it yet its plainly obvious its better than the 1521a i had due to the 1521a was way to big for the limited mods i had and the 977b pulls hard as to redline but she is still going realy strong when the rev limiter cuts in indicating it still has some power up its sleve. if you have any queries bout cams just email me dude i have tried so far a xr6 cam 1521a and the 977b so if you need know anything bout these cams sing out.

-jjM- · 06-10-2005, 01:06 AM

i got my cam grind done on monday to 1636, currently puttin motor into the car now (new motor)
cant wait to give it a go

Windsor220 · 06-10-2005, 10:07 PM

have any of you guys tried crow cams?
noticed everyone here has wade

had one in my old EB and it had good top end. was auto with extractors/exhaust managed to keep up with a gen 3 ute.

slamd ef wagon · 07-10-2005, 04:53 PM

well im told from wade they do not sell the gears
so were do ppl get em from i no crow sell them for 158 trade

Walkinshaw · 07-10-2005, 08:56 PM

Crow have a few nice cams now

2222546 290*@0.075(at valve) .525"

2232550 296*@0.075(at valve) .555" - For AU's

Windsor220 · 08-10-2005, 03:12 PM

yeah i was just lookin at the specs on both crow and wade and crow seems alot more agressive.

i had the 2222549 in mine. idle was crap.

Simmo · 13-06-2006, 12:20 PM

i thought i'd dig this thread up as i had a mate put a 1636 in my car on saturday. was a brand new cam, no shims, just so you know. furthur info about my setup goes like this. always run bp ultimate, 16 deg advanced, xr6 fuel reg [about to go to the stock one, read down for why]. the rest of the info about my car can be found in the link in my sig.

it was thrown in on sat arvo. felt pretty similar to the stock xr6 cam. sunday it was starting to say hello. yesterday was goddamn insane. i've lost power/torque below 2000rpm. not much but i can tell. above 2000 it feels much better until it hits 3700/3800rpm. then i have to hold on like a mofo. i can't NOT wheelspin 1st unless in in a straight line and the top of 2nd out of corners will get me arrested.

before the cam the motor felt like it really didnt want to be above 4000rpm and didnt feel like it was making power up there anyway. now the motor feels sooooooo smooth all the way to the red. it just wants to rev it nuts off now.

i also REALLY need the stock fuel reg becuase my car now BLOWS FLAMES ABOVE 5000 RPM!!!! granted i change pretty soon after that but the noise it made scared me to death the first time i heard it. i thought i'd bounced the valves or something it was so brutal. but my friend assured me it was flames later that night when following me home. obviously running way too rich up top, but i should pickup a stock reg tonight. [on a side note, i kinda want to keep the stock unit. a falcon blowing flames is pure sex].

to anyone thinking about this cam, GET IT! it is really crazy for a 'mild' cam. if you can afford a vernier gear, i'm sure that will yield even better results.

EDIT: just realised i said nothing about idle. quite lumpy in the mornings but settles down to a tough rumble when warm. this may be my car only though.

also the car feels like its surging if i let it run down below 2000rpm. i.e. rev up to 3500 in 2nd/3rd whatever, gear doesnt matter, have to stop, let foot off accel pedal, revs come down till 2000 then it starts trying to kangaroo hop. hopefully it will learn its way around this, but if not has anyone had this problem with a new cam?

donno · 13-06-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

also the car feels like its surging if i let it run down below 2000rpm. i.e. rev up to 3500 in 2nd/3rd whatever, gear doesnt matter, have to stop, let foot off accel pedal, revs come down till 2000 then it starts trying to kangaroo hop. hopefully it will learn its way around this, but if not has anyone had this problem with a new cam?

Mine does this too, can't remember if it did it without the cam, but I learnt to drive around it. Just don't drop your foot off suddenly, when your at say 20% throttle just, ease it back till the accelerator is right out. If your trying to go around a corner and backing off, try just having the engine under slight load, that'll stop it too. I think its more to do with the diff then the engine though.

And wanna swap fuel pressure regs? I wouldn't mind a BBQ :Reverend:

Simmo · 13-06-2006, 01:08 PM

through corners i dont seem to notice it. only when stopping to dead in a straight line or chugging around a car park. i can stop it by applying about 5% throttle but then i have to clutch it sooner anyway. i'm driving around it at the moment but i hope it buggers off.

1TUFFUTE · 13-06-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grechie

after runnin around for awhile now with it, this cam now feels like its robbed my low end torque, (maybe its the 2.77 dif or 4 speed auto) but now its not as strong, (cant churp the wheels off the line anymore) , power feels like its being delivered at 40-50km/h in 1st gear, i pulled a pathetic 17.0 1/4 mile, im disgusted at that crap, and a 8.8 too 100km/h using the g tech... i dont know whats wrong anymore...meh till i can afford a dyno tune it will stay the way it is. (i got the timing set to standard)

- Grechie

Im not really up with how big those cams are but...
i may be wrong with priorities bro but i would get a big stallie. That will get u up in the cams peak working zone instantly. But i think ur diff ratio may still be to small.

Simmo · 13-06-2006, 03:56 PM

yeh i've still lost low end for sure, but the 5speed and 3.45 cover it up nicely.

EBGAS · 13-06-2006, 06:17 PM

iv had the wade 1636 cam in for about 2 weeks now and i dont feel a power difference a mechanic helped me put it in u guys got any ideas

Simmo · 13-06-2006, 06:20 PM

car info? could be anything mate.

Grechie · 13-06-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Im not really up with how big those cams are but...
i may be wrong with priorities bro but i would get a big stallie. That will get u up in the cams peak working zone instantly. But i think ur diff ratio may still be to small.

lol damn this thread is old, i have none of the problems ive mentioned as ive gone to 5 speed and 3:27 and cams all fine now, has good power all round, even low down, cant get off the line at 2000 rpm or nething.