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02-11-2007, 08:37 AM | #31 | ||
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I think the non-IRS AU models were lighter than the EL. And the IRS models more than made up for it with the Tickford VCT engine and short diff.
The AU and EL base models did have the same power output but from what I have heard the AU and EL Intechs are completely different engines. From memory I think the main changes for AU were cross bolted mains, alloy sump and different pistons with a different coating as well as better balancing which meant overall that the AU is a much happier camper up near the redline. I remember first driving a EA and it didn't feel much bloody different than the XE at home. I don't know if the EL is the same but the XE and the OHC EA both didn't like being past 4000 rpm while my AU VCT loves it. Also don't forget that most EL's probably have 200,000 kays plus now |
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02-11-2007, 09:16 AM | #32 | ||
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I find the opposite to what a lot of people are saying.
AU's i've driven seem way mid responsive down low and in mid range torque. but really struggles top end. the EL felt the opposite. |
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02-11-2007, 10:51 AM | #33 | |||
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according to http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts.../elfalcon.html. I couldn't find the xr6 but that gives you an idea. But as said before its got alot to do with how you drive it. I'd expect around 400-450km's a tank. |
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03-11-2007, 02:19 PM | #34 | ||
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To help clear things up - and for this comparison I'll be using the specifications for the EL GLi and AU Forte in auto format, which is as base model as one could get for each model equivalent.
Kerb weights: EL GLi Sedan 1530 kg Wagon 1600 kg AU Forte Sedan 1515 kg Wagon 1581 kg Power and torque figures were unchanged at 157kW @ 4900 rpm and 357nm @ 3000 rpm, respectively. Final drive ratios were unchanged at 3.08 for the sedans and 3.23 for the wagons. The gear ratios in the BTR's were also unchanged. The AU does have a 10% reduction in drag co-efficient. However, in view of that, there wouldn't be much in it between the EL and AU as to which was quicker in base model format. Bear in mind also that what might feel to be a 'quicker accelerating' car to drive may not necessarily mean it is the faster car as discussed in this thread.
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08-11-2007, 03:16 PM | #35 | |||
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forte 1493 Futura 1520 XR series 1510 fairmont 1530 Diff ratios on all AUs (five) I have checked are 3.54:1 Also a 1996 ute of Bro's is 3.54:1 Also 2x AU traybacks. All Ford salesmen I've asked for diff ratios haven't known. Clue: Climb under and check it out yourself. Also My VCT doesn't like to spin up much. It seems to get rough after about 3,500 rpm. I know this is late but hope it helps. |
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08-11-2007, 03:25 PM | #36 | |||
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3.08 forte futura fairmont sedan 3.23 forte futura fairmont wagon and all fairmont ghia 3.45 XR6 XR8 not sure on ute ratios |
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08-11-2007, 03:40 PM | #38 | ||
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11-11-2007, 07:27 AM | #39 | ||
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Utes start at 3.23:1 ..... and get shorter from there.
3.45:1 for some XR models (and available for option on the lower models). Then there's aftermarket replacement ... which quite a few people seem to have done. I wouldn't mind going to 3.7's myself ... bit more responsive around town when loaded up.
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11-11-2007, 07:13 PM | #40 | ||
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Didnt the EL have 148kW? or was that the EF? I thought there was a step up in power from the EL to AU or EF to EL? (cant remember which)
Was the EF I6 more or less the same as EBII/ED?
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Whether that's because the earlier ones are a fair bit noisier and rougher in the engine department, I'm not sure.
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13-11-2007, 12:09 PM | #45 | ||
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17-11-2007, 03:02 PM | #46 | |||
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I reasoned, that because of my own searching, and calculations to be sure, that all AUs were 3.45. As for the weights, you can see that the forte weight came from the Ford owners manual. Maybe weights changed from year to year. I don't know about that. Regards from Cespenar. |
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18-11-2007, 02:09 AM | #47 | ||
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Yeap, no worries at all Cespenar. Just happened to be sheer coincidence that the AU's you checked out were all of the 3.45 flavour, which concurs with the information I posted for those specific vehicles.
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21-12-2007, 07:16 PM | #48 | ||
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well the au weighs around about 1530kg and does the 1/4 in 16.5 seconds when the el/ef weighs 1536kg and does the 1/4 in 17.0 seconds so id say that the au would be the better more powerful car to have.
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24-12-2007, 08:59 AM | #49 | ||
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I had driven three EF's before purchasing my AU. These EF's were courtesy cars so I had them for up to a week at a time.
The EF/EL's seem to want to rev much easier than the AU which seems a little tame. Seeing both I6 have the same power/torque outputs I think it comes down to the compression ratio's. The EF's ration is 9.3:1 where as the AU 9.6:1, I guess this would make the Engine tighter, harder to rev, which would make the EF feel more sporty/faster.
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25-12-2007, 02:54 PM | #50 | ||
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wen i got my au series 3 auto stock i6
i took it down the quarter and i can tell u for a fact that it will never go faster than 16.6. that s it........... thats wat it will do nothing more nothing less as for a el/ef i have no clue wat a stock one will do |
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26-12-2007, 01:45 PM | #51 | ||
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my AU XR is 50kg lighter than a EF Fairmont
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26-12-2007, 03:10 PM | #52 | ||
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16.6 max aye... my au fairlane I6 ran a 16.031 with a 2400 stall..K&N panel filter and XR8 intake snorkel and a 2.5" press bent exhaust... and its IRS and is a fairlane so weighs more to begin with.. and had 20" wheels and a big sub box with 2 15" subs..
for the mods i have i think it was faster than a 16.6 stock...
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26-12-2007, 04:21 PM | #53 | ||
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From memory the AUs were made with a new lightweight steel developed by Ford with BHP. Hence while carrying more standard eqiuipment than an EL they were actually lighter.
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26-12-2007, 04:44 PM | #54 | ||
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+ EL's are getting older, unless of course you're referring to a perfect example.
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26-12-2007, 08:53 PM | #55 | ||
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The AU head does not flow as much as a EF head hence why EF seems to rev out a bit better
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26-12-2007, 09:42 PM | #56 | ||
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What was the stock diff ratio on an EF/L?
Also, their autos had a slightly higher stall didn't they? Or was is a shorter 1st ratio? In any case, every EF/L I've driven has felt more lively off the mark than my AU. GK
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26-12-2007, 11:04 PM | #57 | |||
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26-12-2007, 11:42 PM | #58 | |||
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BTW, It's only just occurred to me that the EF/L's I've driven have been straight petrol where as my wagon is dual fuel. That's a hefty weight disadvantage not to mention the restriction of the mixer ring! LOL! Hey, it is what it is, and I'd much rather have my AUs than an E series equivalent and much rather them on LPG than straight petrol. Funny thing though. Just tonight before the Mrs headed off for her last night shift 5/5, she commented how much more gas the car uses now it's manual! I cracked up. She must be giving it the extra and she's actually driven it 5 days straight, having much more drive time than I've had since the conversion was done! : GK
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