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08-06-2016, 04:20 PM | #31 | ||
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you want the maf 20-30% larger than the throttle body, thats why the lightning 90mm maf works so well with both tbs. unless you go slot maf which causes less of a restriction.
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08-06-2016, 08:22 PM | #32 | |||
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So what R&D have you done? You've put a few 220's in S1 & S1.5's, and then you determined the 200 is better. Right. Of course, what was I thinking, it's that massive cam the 200 has. Oh, and the smaller TB. And possibly the lack of any portmatching. Yep, that would sure do it. The facts are, the basic engine is identical, except for a tiny difference in camshaft profile and some very minor port matching. There is no reliability difference. The 220 produces more power than the 200. Irionicly one has 220kw, the other has 200kw, even I managed to work that out. As for potential, they actually have much the same potential, because they're the same engine. The ever so slightly bigger cam in the 200 gives it no advantage, as few people would use either cam in a serious performance upgrade, because, they're so small. The 220 nudges ahead simply because of - The 70mm TB however has plenty room for considerably larger power gains. The oil cooler will help when making this extra power. You reckon what you've done is R&D, yet I'm supposed to be the dumb ***. Go home will ya.
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08-06-2016, 09:09 PM | #33 | |||
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you clearly don't know me, my history with au v8's or what i do for a living.
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as with the 2.25" exhaust issue last week you are wrong and your mind is not going to be changed, that is fine. as you've already decided not to listen to me, I will not educate you further. if you'd like to be corrected again by somebody who is more credible than myself I suggest you ask the resident au v8 expert XH5LWEPN (jeff from streetbuilt racing) or if he doesn't have the time to repeatedly tell you the same thing "bottledup" seems to have a lot of patience with repeating himself to help people.
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08-06-2016, 09:12 PM | #34 | ||
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That goes both ways.
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09-06-2016, 10:36 AM | #35 | ||
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09-06-2016, 10:52 AM | #36 | ||
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The 220 & 250 heads (I'll refer to as T3 from here because lazy) are one and the same, and different from the 200kw heads, which are just plain Jane Explorer spec GT40Ps. The T3 head was developed as a local cost effective alternative to the Y303 used on the T1 TS & some T2s.
They were mildly worked over by Yella Terra, using a custom set of Ferrea valves with larger head diameters, a basic cnc cut & blend into the bowl area and a revised valve spring sourced from Crow. Finally they were milled 0.020" to up the compression and the lower intakes "hand portmatched" to the heads. There have been numerous cases of the springs failing, both on T3 strokers and on 220kw XR8s, I am yet to see a single spring failure on a standard GT40P head. Regardless we are getting sidetracked, and once again the AU room is turning into a kindergarten playground with name calling & insults. IMHO the people who say there was/is a factory 220kw ute are the same type who are convinced Ford released an XY GT ute... |
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09-06-2016, 02:16 PM | #37 | |||
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09-06-2016, 09:32 PM | #38 | |||
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I always prefer to play the ball, not the man. In any case CFOUR has kindly apologised via PM and we're continuing the discussion there.
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23-06-2016, 09:30 AM | #39 | ||||
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my bad on getting a bit firey guys its out of character, I've been crazy busy and a little heavy on the "sauce" lately.
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23-06-2016, 02:37 PM | #40 | |||
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23-06-2016, 03:26 PM | #41 | |||
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24-06-2016, 09:26 PM | #42 | |||
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The earlier E series 58mm MAF flows 606cfm. The 70mm AU MAF flows 815cfm. All AU V8's have the 70mm MAF. As for AU TB's, the 65mm flows 664cfm, and the 70mm flows 787cfm. Which also shows the standard AU MAF is not a restriction for the 70mm Tickford TB.
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08-08-2016, 03:30 PM | #43 | ||
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For those genuinely interested, I wrote to David Morley of Unique cars fame regarding the 220 Windsor in AU XR8s. Some you who have been around Aussie cars long enough will know who Morley is. He replied to my question in the current issue and while not offering much to confirm yay or nay there are some high profile motoring identities associated with Unique cars and I am hoping a credible former Tickford employee or similar can provide an answer on reading the mag.
cheers Bill.
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08-08-2016, 07:45 PM | #44 | |||
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08-08-2016, 08:33 PM | #45 | |||
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As far as "off centre" with facts he has been accurate and open to correction when proved wrong from my long time observations.
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09-08-2016, 10:03 AM | #46 | ||
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Well, bit off topic, but for the record just love my AU2 220 Windsor with original MAF
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09-08-2016, 10:04 AM | #47 | ||
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Is it a ute?
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09-08-2016, 10:20 AM | #48 | ||
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09-08-2016, 03:52 PM | #49 | ||
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As mentioned here, though I thought that the 200 & 220s got ceramic headers as well? Or did they simply get the non coated versions of the T-series pipes? My T1 has the same ceramic coated headers fitted to the T3s.
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09-08-2016, 04:24 PM | #50 | |||
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Maybe the T's in 5L got coated headers too? I don't remember what the original question was?
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20-09-2016, 07:23 AM | #51 | ||
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How can I determine if a head is a legitimate 220 head? Not a 200 head being passed off as a 220.
Bigger Stainless valves? what's the dead set give away? Any specific things to look for... Different roller rockers and springs? Cheers |
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20-09-2016, 07:28 AM | #52 | ||
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Bigger valves will be the surest way.
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20-09-2016, 07:32 AM | #53 | ||
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20-09-2016, 07:45 AM | #54 | ||
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20-09-2016, 08:28 AM | #55 | ||
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Yep 1.555, should be able to see Ferrea on valve stem tip
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20-09-2016, 08:34 AM | #56 | ||
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Excellent thanks.
As for roller rockers Yella Terra ? Silver Not anodised blue ? Other brand That's if they haven't been changed in the past... |
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20-09-2016, 08:16 PM | #58 | ||
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One last question
Are any of you aware of the camshaft specs used in the 195kW fairlane by Tickford? Cheers |
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20-09-2016, 09:17 PM | #59 | ||
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21-09-2016, 01:45 PM | #60 | ||
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To my knowledge they got the same engine hardware as the EB GT, namely the GT40 heads, roller rockers and the same camshaft. The slightly lower power output may be due to exhaust design or tune revisions to suit the LWB car.
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