VE spy piccies? - Page 2

MrSparkle · 01-09-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

I've got the feeling that torana was more VE commodore than concept car.

Not a feeling my good man, a fact.

M14A-Mclaren · 01-09-2005, 06:45 PM

Why is the badge part oval? if its going to have the Holden, Vauxhall, Buick or Opel badges shouldn't it be round?

bathurst77 · 01-09-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Yes after seeing that rear pic, with the spray jet, I too say it's the Torrana.

THat could be satnav antenna rather then spray jet maybe?

bathurst77 · 01-09-2005, 07:23 PM

Yep definitely this pic (http://www.cheersandgears.com/cdoane_commodore.jpg) is Right hand drive (unless pic has been flipped?). Im pretty sure teh rear shot is a RhD car too.
Also under that oval badge looks like a Huge Round Badge.

Dilan · 01-09-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bathurst77

Also under that oval badge looks like a Huge Round Badge.

I noticed this aswell, there seems to be another badge underneath the black oval. Oh the joys of speculating and not knowing what it is.

MITCHAY · 01-09-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Export boom? to where? i thought the monaro was a flop hence them axeing it.

They export the commodore, statesman/caprice and monaro as far as I know.

Mmmm quad exhaust! I like.

Black XR6 · 01-09-2005, 08:30 PM

Well, the monaro is all over now isnt it exept for the remainging stock. So it cant be a monaro.

Ghiadude · 01-09-2005, 10:00 PM

check out this gallery with pics of the torana concept
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/wray/torana_pics.htm
Torana=zeta=VE commodore i am now sure of it

montyv8 · 02-09-2005, 01:55 AM

the monaro will no longer be produced as of december '05 in RHD format, as they are will no longer be sold in Aus and NZ.
however, all varients of the LHD coupe will still be manufactured for export.
they are selling, they sold six times as many as were originally forecast.
i weld enough of them together everyday, and they are a pain in the ***.

the VE is slightly larger than the current commodore. they do look VERY similar to the torana concept. i think the torana concept was to guage peoples reactions to the shape, as the VE shares the same fat guard flares, and basic roofline.
the images you see on the covers of wheels/motor etc ARE very close to the VE shells that have already been built.

maybe when they throw me out with the other 1399 people i'll steal a forklift and smash my way into the pilot room and get some pics for y'all.

saw a vz today in a new colour that hasnt been released yet. doesnt look to bad.

spose i shouldnt say to much, we had a bulletin at work a few weeks back at work about "posting information on internet forums that could be harmful to the business"

i bet a couple of 'the 1400' have some interesting information......

mickey t · 02-09-2005, 10:07 AM

it's the VE commodore alright, but sedan, not hatch.

there is no hatch. it's a sedan with a very short boot decklid.

headlights are more VY shape than we've had in the past. have seen a lot more than this. just can't tell you, for one reason or other (not embargoes, by the way).

Heeno · 02-09-2005, 10:19 AM

it has a lot of similarities to the torana concept, the roof, flairs, quad exhaust, shell..... i hope it is i would love for the torana to come back, anyway if it is the new VE i think it would probably be a good seller, small car lots of power, feul efficient...people will love it imo

Citric GT · 02-09-2005, 10:32 AM

The old EL seems to get better looking every day...

Cars seem to be getting so ugly these days. I wish I was a baby boomer - bring back the 70s!

4Vman · 02-09-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

it has a lot of similarities to the torana concept, the roof, flairs, quad exhaust, shell..... i hope it is i would love for the torana to come back, anyway if it is the new VE i think it would probably be a good seller, small car lots of power, feul efficient...people will love it imo

It wont be a small car, commodores are large cars, Holden need to provide a car in the large car segment to compete against the Falcon otherwise its going to be a cake walk for Ford!!

Heeno · 02-09-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

It wont be a small car, commodores are large cars, Holden need to provide a car in the large car segment to compete against the Falcon otherwise its going to be a cake walk for Ford!!

yea but people these days want a large car they will generally go and get a forby

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4Vman · 02-09-2005, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

yea but people these days want a large car they will generally go and get a forby

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So you're suggesting holden will drop the commodore and release this new smaller car and let Ford have all the fleet and rep car sales as well as all the large performance car market???!!!

johnydep · 02-09-2005, 10:58 AM

80% of large car sales are fleet. Most private buyers purchase thier large cars second hand.
Most private sales of large vehicles are the specialty models, GT, HSV, FPV, etc.

The new segment where there is growth potential is medium sized vehicles & SUV.

I think Holden have some serious thinking to do.

4Vman · 02-09-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

80% of large car sales are fleet. Most private buyers purchase thier large cars second hand.
Most private sales of large vehicles are the specialty models, GT, HSV, FPV, etc.

The new segment where there is growth potential is medium sized vehicles & SUV.

I think Holden have some serious thinking to do.

Yep, and id go as far as to say a fair % of FPV/HSV sales are fleet/lease too.
The fleet/lease (and taxi) market for large RWD 2WD passenger vehicles is huge.
There's no way in hell Holden will walk away from this market by downsizing their largest passenger vehicle.

Id be interested to see the split of private car sales for Falcon V commodore, with fleet/lease removed, i think you'd see a fair swing towards the Falcon in popularity.. and probably why Ford seem to be more profitable now, Fleet/lease sales are marginal on profit.

Heeno · 02-09-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

So you're suggesting holden will drop the commodore and release this new smaller car and let Ford have all the fleet and rep car sales as well as all the large performance car market???!!!

did you look at the photos?? its not all that small and it abviously has something alright under the hood to have quad exhaust, you don't put quads on for no reason

btw you didn't even read my original post properly, i said it's probably the torana, i also said IF it is the VE then it would probably be a good seller, can you find where i said that holden would be dropping the commodore cuz i can't

johnydep · 02-09-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

did you look at the photos?? its not all that small and it abviously has something alright under the hood to have quad exhaust, you don't put quads on for no reason

But is it a Holden?

4Vman · 02-09-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Heeno

did you look at the photos?? its not all that small and it abviously has something alright under the hood to have quad exhaust, you don't put quads on for no reason

The pics mean nothing, is it even a holden anyway? what on earth is the relivance of quad exhausts??

Heeno · 02-09-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

But is it a Holden?

lol i stand corrected

gozza · 02-09-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yep, and id go as far as to say a fair % of FPV/HSV sales are fleet/lease too.
The fleet/lease (and taxi) market for large RWD 2WD passenger vehicles is huge.
There's no way in hell Holden will walk away from this market by downsizing their largest passenger vehicle.

Id be interested to see the split of private car sales for Falcon V commodore, with fleet/lease removed, i think you'd see a fair swing towards the Falcon in popularity.. and probably why Ford seem to be more profitable now, Fleet/lease sales are marginal on profit.

a company down the road of me has a fleet of 2 gt a gtp and a few xr6'/xr6 turbos
and there not stock either
the gtp i saw on the highway one day and it sounds beautiful

johnydep · 02-09-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The pics mean nothing, is it even a holden anyway? what on earth is the relivance of quad exhausts??

More $'s to produce. So that would have to be a premium model. Would Holden go through the hassles to test a top range model before the bread & butter models?

MITCHAY · 02-09-2005, 01:13 PM

I was reading Wheels magazine before and they reckon the budget cap for developing the VE was $1 billion. I think it said $950 million is the expected figure which means thats a lot of development costs.

Heeno · 02-09-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The pics mean nothing, is it even a holden anyway? what on earth is the relivance of quad exhausts??

lol the pics mean everything, that sorta does determin what it is wether it's a bus, bike or moped in this case its a car. relivance of quad exhaust? 4 cyl don't get to have quad exhaust (unless you split but thats just silly) so it wouldn't be a small car, if anything its a 6 even a turbo'd one at that, probably to compete with the XR6T(highly doubt its an 8 but possible)

how do i know its a holden you ask? i don't but the first two pics have a look at the watermark(think thats what its called)

4Vman · 02-09-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I was reading Wheels magazine before and they reckon the budget cap for developing the VE was $1 billion. I think it said $950 million is the expected figure which means thats a lot of development costs.

R+d is expensive isnt it!
In basic terms If they sold 150,000 cars per year over a 3 year model life span that = $2,222 in just R+D cost per car!

MITCHAY · 02-09-2005, 01:23 PM

Then Id expect a great car. I think the VE will catch on to the Falcons owners much the same way that the BA caught on to the Commodore owners.

Heeno · 02-09-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I was reading Wheels magazine before and they reckon the budget cap for developing the VE was $1 billion. I think it said $950 million is the expected figure which means thats a lot of development costs.

WOW i'd love a billion bucks to spend on making cars......imagine the possibilities....presenting the twin turbo'd GT-P

4Vman · 02-09-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Then Id expect a great car. I think the VE will catch on to the Falcons owners much the same way that the BA caught on to the Commodore owners.

I seriously doubt it will be quite that simple, I think Holden have some enourmous challenges and hurdles to get over first, Ford have largely already addressed these issues in both design, marketing and sales planning.

Ryan · 02-09-2005, 01:31 PM

Hmmm I dont think it is the Torana.

The Torana's lights look different.