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16-01-2008, 09:39 AM | #31 | |||
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The UAI cutoff was 57!!!!!!!! You can even do it by distance like what I'm doing and when you graduate (2 years full time) then you already have half the bachelor degree than you can just continue on. The DefenceForce is fun but their pay leaves a lot to be desired. |
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16-01-2008, 06:29 PM | #35 | |||
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16-01-2008, 11:33 PM | #37 | |||
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Yes, Seaman Officers do more crap jobs when they are starting out, but I do believe the rewards are worth it. In reality all other officers are just mid level management book keepers or tech heads. They will never be in command on the bridge of a warship. And in reality a seaman officer that has only been in a few years does get command of the bridge and drives the ship when he is on watch. I don't think any other branch of officerdom can offer anything as remotely rewarding as that.
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16-01-2008, 11:58 PM | #39 | ||
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A ship relies on every individual. The same as the WEEO is only as good as his sailors. And yes a Seaman Officer or captain is well and truly buggered if anyone down the whole chain fails to do their job, a warship is the ultimate team effort where every cog is just about as important as every other cog, regardless of rank.
And no, I am not a seaman officer. But obviously you are one of those middle management tech-head book keepers WEEO's, LOL. :-)
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17-01-2008, 08:30 PM | #40 | ||
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WEEOs aren't middle management. They are upper management and system level specialists. WEEOs provide a service to the captain. The captain is the customer.
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25-03-2008, 11:19 PM | #41 | ||
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For those of you who may have been wondering the outcome of this, I have an interview on the 10th of April. Job Options Evaluation Session (JOES) day also known as. My preferences are:
1, Airborne Electronics Analyst - Airforce 2, Combat Systems Operator - Navy 3, Ground Defence Officer - Airforce Hopefully I have made the right choices. Thanks for all the help and intrest guys. And any further advice is still welcome and appreciated. Cheers. |
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26-03-2008, 02:48 AM | #42 | ||
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After nearly 10 years in the Army will say all the above advise is worthy so don't get me wrong. But to balance the arguement you really need to ask yourself one question "What do you want to do when you get out?" If you don't have a plan for that then don't join. Getting in is easy. The bad side is, I know way to many guys who stayed in because they couldn't find a compatible job outside. Some of these guys were specialists, who when they got out found the technology was well out dated compared to outside or it was so specialised there is no use once out (weapons guidance systems etc) the money looks flash at first to.
Please don't take this as gloating but all the guys I served with who are still in are coming to a point in their careers that they will have no choice soon but to leave. I think I can say with some authority. Its a young mans game and when you are ready to leave you have to start all over again. Have a rock solid exit strategy and remember, don't put to much into the rubbish recruiters tell you (civilian or otherwise) you start at the very bottom and they will send you where they think you should be. There is a lot of competition for the good jobs and once in if they don't have the spot you want or think it suits someone else better you get whats left. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. GOOD LUCK
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26-03-2008, 07:27 PM | #43 | |||
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26-03-2008, 09:20 PM | #44 | ||
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Go learn a trade like a sparky or plumber and then work for yourself you will make a killing, rather than getting killed. You should talk to some american and australian soldiers that came back from iraq ......its a different world to what you will see in those fancy army and navy tv adds. Chances are you will be sent to the midddle east soon or later for another oil related pathetic war based on wealth and greed. I mean if you cant see the injustice of sending our troops to the iraq war then maybe you will only realise oneday when you sent there youself.
Another point i would like to raise in the army you loose your personality,dignity and pride. You cant be yourself anymore you are given orders, daily routines you have no rights and no opinions. you follow orders- thats it. You are just trained up to be a killing machine and at the yell of your superiors orders you unleash the devil in you , which makes you feel so strong till the next ied on some scummy street in iraq blows you back to.............. answer for your sins. i have 2 friends that are in the army.iguess where still better of than the american soldiers |
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26-03-2008, 10:07 PM | #45 | |||
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suggest you do some research next time. |
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26-03-2008, 11:16 PM | #46 | |||
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27-03-2008, 12:13 AM | #47 | |||
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LOL, you are funny man! Defence is a team sport mate, it is very, very rare that any orders are needed, Everyone knows their job and does it, if you need to get ordered around then you don't know your job and are a liability. Personality, dignity and pride.... LOL, you have plenty of that my friend :-) Everyone I have served with worked in specialised areas in defence that are not available in civvy street but despite that we are all successful in whatever we chose to do after we finished up in the ADF. And not one one of us is on less than six figures despite leaving with no quals worth anything in civvy street. Must be all that personality, dignity and pride we had stripped of us in the ADF that has turned us into successful fellas that work for ourselves :-)
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27-03-2008, 08:21 AM | #48 | |||
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Haha you really have no idea do you? Simply put, you sir, are an idiot!. Get some friggin facts before you go spouting off.
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27-03-2008, 08:43 AM | #49 | ||
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Uneducated, simple minded, im 19 and know it all uni, listen-to-everything-in-the-newspaper types like you are the reason people like me continue to do the job. Because morons, like you, dont have the balls, or the fortitude to do my job.
You sit back and comment over your morning latte with your friends how the war in Iraq is wrong, yet you cant specify why. You dont even know where or what the ADF is doing in Iraq, and yet we shouldnt be there. You boo at the TV when the uniform appears, and protest against soldiers at our place of work (yes this happens, on a specific day every week). You spit on us when we march in the city, and yet we hold our tempers and dont set upon you, even though we could justify it. I am about to set off on my second tour of Afghanistan, and i can walk tall knowing that I am doing what is right, even though stupid people like you still call us baby killers and evil men. I have more Pride, Dignity, and Personality since joining than i ever did as a 'civvie'.
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27-03-2008, 09:07 AM | #50 | |||
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Well done mate. Obviously things have not changed since I got out in the early 70's. Probably the children of the paint bomb throwing protesters we had back then. IMO you boys are doing us proud.
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27-03-2008, 05:15 PM | #52 | |||
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27-03-2008, 06:10 PM | #53 | |||
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Keep in the back of your mind, whilst the Navy takes a couple of weeks (sometimes more) to get to places and the hours are long, plenty of cleaning and lots of battle naps to catch up on the sleep you lost the night before, there is plenty of fun to be had once you arrive at your destination, especially the ASIA and Pacific regions and the pay IMO is great. If you are not sure you will like the Defence Force, do as a few have already said, do a gap year to get the feel and if you like it go for it, if you dont then its only a year of your life and hopefully it would have helped you in your life goals. Whatever choice you make, good luck.
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27-03-2008, 06:28 PM | #54 | |||
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I'm also interested to note that the AEA and CSO jobs are similar (relatively) and the GDO job seems a little out of left field. I wonder what your motivations are for these choices.
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27-03-2008, 06:54 PM | #55 | ||
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Thanks for the info Fantasy it really helps me out.
Pursuit250: G'day mate, well im a fair bit into electronics so they are pretty self explanatory. (I did a suitable job test and these two found themselves very close to the top). As for GDO I just read the job description and it appealed to me quite a fair bit. Requires a high level of fitness, see alot of Aust very quickly, get to learn core military skills, officer wages. An accumulation of all these things just stood out to me. |
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27-03-2008, 07:20 PM | #56 | ||
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ive worked in iraq. none of you have been there. news is all bull ive seen it all. and a reply to you guys who keep thinking the iraq war is going well....... Mr bush even admits its not turning out the way they wanted it to. your just fighting a war that will never end until thre oil finishes from the middle east. all respect to the troop but not for the morons who send you there. my whole point is consider all your options before......
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27-03-2008, 10:37 PM | #57 | |||
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Certainly a GDO position offers all that....and 18 months at the Royal Military College Duntroon (ouch!!!). I think you'll find anything you listed challenging and enjoyable.
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27-03-2008, 10:57 PM | #58 | |||
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28-03-2008, 12:00 AM | #59 | |||
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This is a very important decision this young bloke is making. I think he needs balanced advise not people attacking each others opinion. To Phil xr8, The ADF is very rewarding, but it also asks a lot. Sounds like you have made up your mind. All the best of luck and most importantly don't forget to drop us all a line at the forum. Would be great to hear how you go. :
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28-03-2008, 07:38 AM | #60 | |||
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And to be fair, there are plenty of people who top themselves that have never been near the military. It happens!!!!!! The majority of my friends have been in the military and/or work for Defence Dept and apart from the odd divorce/re-marriage (which is the norm these days) they are all successful and happy, .....pending defence spending cuts. LoL.
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