Are we (Australia) becomming too american?

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Yes, you are becoming Old and Cranky, but I think you are also jealous of other people's prosperity

You seem to be one of these communist supporters, if so then you are evil and should be condemned capitalisim is what makes the world keep spinning and is the reason you get to go home to your carpet floors, soft beds, hot shower and big screen TV, without this we All would be living a much more deprived life style, it provides every person with the opportunity to live there life without working if they so decide or give them any physical posession they could ever want.

One thing the human is designed to do both physically and emotionally is adapt, we have lived through elation and depression for thousands of years now and I don't believe the next phase in anyway will destroy humanity

So sit back on your cumfy computer chair, sip your latte and realise how good you have it yourself.

Fair call mate, perhaps in some ways communists do have it easier but before you jump on your bandwagon allow me to explain what I mean by that statement.
I would firstly like to point out that NO i am not jelous, I would never want to be that rich that money meant nothing to me or I would be exactly like the kids in the shows I spoke about.
What I am saying is this geneartion is not prepared for when things do get tough, and it WILL happen, it is inevidable, the jobs boom will crash as will the stockmarket, its a cyclic thing.
Now what i meant about comunists having it easier, have you ever gone grocery shopping and found that there is so much choice that you spend ages just deciding what brand of toilet paper to buy?
If there was no choice but 1 brand, you would just get in and out and have your shopping done. These are the kind of examples i mean would make life easier for a communist. This does not mean I condone the system as a whole.

BTW. I do not drink latte, its a Flat White Grande thankyou very much :P

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

No I just have a thing against teachers who think they are some higher supreme. They teach about subjects claming to be experts in their particular field, It is especially annoying on practical subjects ie. IT where I always thought, if they are so good at it why arn't they out doing that themselves ?

So that's the reason you've insulted a primary school teacher ?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

No I just have a thing against teachers who think they are some higher supreme. They teach about subjects claming to be experts in their particular field, It is especially annoying on practical subjects ie. IT where I always thought, if they are so good at it why arn't they out doing that themselves ? instead of teaching others about it for $45k a year. but hey thats just my personal opinion, you won't see me drumming it into a class of year 5 students.

Are you a tertiary lecturer involved in educating Primary Schools teachers? And are you involved daily in forming and writing the curiculum for Primary Schools?

If not some may see your arguments as a wee bit hypocritical.

As for "capitalisim keeping the world spinning", I think that belief would make some Americans very happy.

We were here before the capitalists and the Americans, and will continue long after they have enjoyed their moment in the sun.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Yes, you are becoming Old and Cranky, but I think you are also jealous of other people's prosperity

You seem to be one of these communist supporters, if so then you are evil and should be condemned capitalisim is what makes the world keep spinning and is the reason you get to go home to your carpet floors, soft beds, hot shower and big screen TV, without this we All would be living a much more deprived life style, it provides every person with the opportunity to live there life without working if they so decide or give them any physical posession they could ever want.

One thing the human is designed to do both physically and emotionally is adapt, we have lived through elation and depression for thousands of years now and I don't believe the next phase in anyway will destroy humanity

So sit back on your cumfy computer chair, sip your latte and realise how good you have it yourself.

Better to be old and cranky, then young and delusional. And better to be poor yet wise, than prosperous and retarded. Capitalism my dear child ISNT what makes the world go around. Nor is any "ism" you care to regurgitate from your "Young Republicans Phrase Book". Survival is what makes the world go round. Procreation is what makes the world go around. Irregardless of the system of government, humans prefer to survive and have kids, than die and have none. And that means they will work and support whatever system exists to try and improve their chances. Thats basic human nature.

Communism is neither evil nor wrong. Capitalism is neither evil nor wrong. And only a weapons grade idiot would believe so. Capitalism & Communism are just methods of operation, both flawed by the same component. Dehumanized beuracracy stocked with flawed human cogs. The power is wielded by those who have it, against those who do not, regardless of your stature as head of the soviet peoples republic, or the CEO of a multinational corporation.

Dont praise capitalism for your TV, it was made by people in taiwan earning a dollar per day. Dont praise capitalism for your carpets, they were woven by a bangladeshi child who earned no wage at all. And consider that one of the largest markets for all our raw materials is China. A communist country. If their demand didnt exist, our supply would be less and so would our prosperity. How ironic.

I will agree that humanitys greatest asset is adaption, however not all adaption, is improvement.

So sit back on your Indian made chair, sip your made in china latte mix from your made in china mug, and get an idea.

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Better to be old and cranky, then young and delusional. And better to be poor yet wise, than prosperous and retarded. Capitalism my dear child ISNT what makes the world go around. Nor is any "ism" you care to regurgitate from your "Young Republicans Phrase Book". Survival is what makes the world go round. Procreation is what makes the world go around. Irregardless of the system of government, humans prefer to survive and have kids, than die and have none. And that means they will work and support whatever system exists to try and improve their chances. Thats basic human nature.

Communism is neither evil nor wrong. Capitalism is neither evil nor wrong. And only a weapons grade idiot would believe so. Capitalism & Communism are just methods of operation, both flawed by the same component. Dehumanized beuracracy stocked with flawed human cogs. The power is wielded by those who have it, against those who do not, regardless of your stature as head of the soviet peoples republic, or the CEO of a multinational corporation.

Dont praise capitalism for your TV, it was made by people in taiwan earning a dollar per day. Dont praise capitalism for your carpets, they were woven by a bangladeshi child who earned no wage at all. And consider that one of the largest markets for all our raw materials is China. A communist country. If their demand didnt exist, our supply would be less and so would our prosperity. How ironic.

I will agree that humanitys greatest asset is adaption, however not all adaption, is improvement.

So sit back on your Indian made chair, sip your made in china latte mix from your made in china mug, and get an idea.

Some very valid points made there, sourbastard.

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by Yaw

I would never want to be that rich that money meant nothing to me or I would be exactly like the kids in the shows I spoke about.

Perhaps you should read some repots on the "rich" and it meaning nothing or maybe even try it yourself one day, I will even give you a link to some factual information http://money.ninemsn.com.au/ARTICLE.aspx?id=269055

but appart from that your actually saying rich ppl's are bad and poor people who can barely live week by week are goddies I think you seriously have a problem with sterotypes which is.. I think, the fundamental of your woes

As with your toilet paper dilemma who cares, just randomly pick one, I have never heard anything such absurd as having one product, I think you really do have communist tendencys. What kind of world would we actually live in if it where as you stated ? everyone would wipe there bum with the same toilet paper, drive the same old dirty EA, live in a house of the same plan, wear the same cloths and everyone would earn $320 a week SUPER!

The world is good because everyone gets to make choices and do different things, they all have opportunitys and a partial freedom

[Lumpen Proletariat]

As much as I agree with the sentiment (especially yours Sourbastard!) I enjoy the irony of the whole argument too.

Australian culture, is at the most 106 years old and could probably be argued that it was when Prime Minister Curtain went against Churchill and Britain, threw off the shackles of the colony that we really became a nation in our own right. (Ironically, he did so by inviting American alliance, so he stop one rot by started another)

At any rate we have perhaps 65 years of true Australian culture and we complain bitterly at the loss of it?

What about the Australian culture of 40,000 50,000 or 60,000 years that we wiped out in less than 100? Legalised genocide and slavery. Desecration of holy grounds. Stealing of land.

The last ten years is just a giant case of karma coming to bite us well and truly on the ****.


Also, please people, if you are going to argue that the American's saved us in WWII...don't. (I'm not saying it's happened here, but it often does) The people you have to thank for prevent the Japanese invasion of Australia are the Australian Militia conscripts and the PNG natives who fought at places like Milne Bay and along the Kokoda track. That was the first time the Japanese Imperial Army had even been defeated, let alone retreated.

The Americans, under MaCarthur we're happy to leave all of Australia NORTH OF BRISBANE to unopposed Japanese invasion.


Lumpy

[Lumpen Proletariat]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

I think you really do have communist tendencys.

So this is STILL meant to be an insult and derogatory comment? Red's Under the Bed and all that. I guess next you'll call for myself and all my comrade to be deported to King Island? Huh, the more things change, the more they stay the same.


Brendan. A Democratic Socialist and PROUD of it.

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Better to be old and cranky, then young and delusional. And better to be poor yet wise, than prosperous and retarded. Capitalism my dear child ISNT what makes the world go around. Nor is any "ism" you care to regurgitate from your "Young Republicans Phrase Book". Survival is what makes the world go round. Procreation is what makes the world go around. Irregardless of the system of government, humans prefer to survive and have kids, than die and have none. And that means they will work and support whatever system exists to try and improve their chances. Thats basic human nature.

Communism is neither evil nor wrong. Capitalism is neither evil nor wrong. And only a weapons grade idiot would believe so. Capitalism & Communism are just methods of operation, both flawed by the same component. Dehumanized beuracracy stocked with flawed human cogs. The power is wielded by those who have it, against those who do not, regardless of your stature as head of the soviet peoples republic, or the CEO of a multinational corporation.

Dont praise capitalism for your TV, it was made by people in taiwan earning a dollar per day. Dont praise capitalism for your carpets, they were woven by a bangladeshi child who earned no wage at all. And consider that one of the largest markets for all our raw materials is China. A communist country. If their demand didnt exist, our supply would be less and so would our prosperity. How ironic.

I will agree that humanitys greatest asset is adaption, however not all adaption, is improvement.

So sit back on your Indian made chair, sip your made in china latte mix from your made in china mug, and get an idea.

Have you ever heard of the saying "keeping up the with the jones" ? well it is what's imprinted in the DNA of the human race, we have a deeper yearning to better ourselves and our lifestyle and practically be "rich" This is the reason why humans have constantly become more advanced over the ages, not for any other reason, capitalism allowes humans to fulfill this prophesy to a fuller effect. Why do you think humans have evolved so much since the turn of the 20th centuary ? when in the thousands of years before they have only made fractions of the advance we make these days

I will tell you why, its because of the change of systems, we have come past the supression of barbarism, fudalism and communism and now we can more freely then ever before improve ourselves

If we where not buying those TV's from taiwan then those people who earned a dollar would earn nothing at all. As for China, there upcomming is due to communism ending and capatalism starting to emerge, there are more millionares appearing in china each and evey day because of it.

If we live in such a terrible age of prosperity then I appeal to you to leave and move to somewhere else that suits your beliefs like North Korea or Ethiopia

[TUF_302]

We are definetly the 2nd of the american islands! (hawai being the 1st) lol!

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Have you ever heard of the saying "keeping up the with the jones" ? well it is what's imprinted in the DNA of the human race

Do you have a supporting link to that fact? Did a search within a couple of Genome project pages and couldn't find a Jones's Gene.

Did Fred Flinstone aspire to owning a Rolls Rock Royce back in the prehistoric age just so he was one up on Barney? I don't really see keeping up with the jones's being much of a survival technique.

I for one couldn't give a flying rats what my neighbours own and I'm not going to spend a single second trying to one up them. I wonder if that makes me a candidate for Heroes! Oops, American TV.

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Do you have a supporting link to that fact? Did a search within a couple of Genome project pages and couldn't find a Jones's Gene.
me a candidate for Heroes! Oops, American TV.

I only used that to be figurative of how humans always want more and better

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Have you ever heard of the saying "keeping up the with the jones" ? well it is what's imprinted in the DNA of the human race, we have a deeper yearning to better ourselves and our lifestyle and practically be "rich"

Have you ever heard of the saying, "20 year old "Expert"? Keeping up with the jonses IS NOT imprinted on our DNA, no more than "This side up is imprinted on your forehead"

Dont mistake instinct for social conditioning. Instinct is what makes you want to take a dump, social conditioning is what tells you that you need a genuine GTHO.

This is the reason why humans have constantly become more advanced over the ages, not for any other reason, capitalism allowes humans to fulfill this prophesy to a fuller effect. Why do you think humans have evolved so much since the turn of the 20th centuary ? when in the thousands of years before they have only made fractions of the advance we make these days

Bollocks. Youre knowledge of history could fill an olive jar. Mankinds improvements have come directly from our ability to create better tools, ever since Homo floresiensis, and the emergence of logical rhetorical thought, our gift from the Greeks. Without this, we would be eating berries under a tree during lightning storms. Your version of "history" is skewed by your own agenda.

I will tell you why, its because of the change of systems, we have come past the supression of barbarism, fudalism and communism and now we can more freely then ever before improve ourselves.

Ah yes feudalism, the structure underwhich we were given the birth of science, medicine, literature. Obviously nothing compared to your Spiderman DVD.

Barbarism, which is really just an insult touted by various cultures at other cultures they feared or wished to conquer. Carthage were referred to as a barbarian horde by the Romans. Nothing was further from the truth.

Ah yes Communism. Whos greatest proponents accomplishments mirrored the wests blow for blow until they eventually lost the arms race. And SOMEONE had to lose the arms race. It was as much luck as judgement.

And yes now the illusion of freedom gets trundled out. You are a walking cliche. I want to imrpove our race by feeding idiots into a woodchipper. Unfortunately the council have informed me I am unable to excercise my freedoms using this method due to lack of budget.

If we where not buying those TV's from taiwan then those people who earned a dollar would earn nothing at all. As for China, there upcomming is due to communism ending and capatalism starting to emerge, there are more millionares appearing in china each and evey day because of it.

If the electronics industry had not invaded asia, it would be another industry dominating instead. your argument is meaningless speculation. Chinas growth is due to its massive manpower capabilities, tied along with the low level of employment cost. This combination can be found nowhere else. We(The West) have thrown investment at China to exploit this so they can sell back to us rubber dog crap at a new and improved rate. You need to learn the difference between cause and effect.

If we live in such a terrible age of prosperity then I appeal to you to leave and move to somewhere else that suits your beliefs like North Korea or Ethiopia

Thanks for finishing off the long line of cliches with this Gem. The love it or leave it whinge from those who are locked into their own ready made cells of ignorance. And you have no idea what my beliefs are sparky, because you are reading into my replies what you want to see. You have made your views however, abundantly clear, thats why I'm giving you the spanking youre enduring.

Maybe you need to go to Asia, maybe you need to travel Africa and go see the results of your capitalist utopia. You dont have a clue, and your points of view are based on "history lite" snippets of information you dredged up from wikipedia and readers digest.

[Force6]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Do you have a supporting link to that fact? Did a search within a couple of Genome project pages and couldn't find a Jones's Gene.

Did Fred Flinstone aspire to owning a Rolls Rock Royce back in the prehistoric age just so he was one up on Barney? I don't really see keeping up with the jones's being much of a survival technique.

I for one couldn't give a flying rats what my neighbours own and I'm not going to spend a single second trying to one up them. I wonder if that makes me a candidate for Heroes! Oops, American TV.

I hope you realise "Keeping up with the Jones'" is just a simplistic analogy for the competitive spirit of mankind, not just doing better than your neighbours. Our constant need to better ourselves is one of the greatest factors in the evolution (physical, technological, emotional) of mankind, and our enormous sucesses.

[protd]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Have you ever heard of the saying, "20 year old "Expert"? Keeping up with the jonses IS NOT imprinted on our DNA, no more than "This side up is imprinted on your forehead"

Dont mistake instinct for social conditioning. Instinct is what makes you want to take a dump, social conditioning is what tells you that you need a genuine GTHO.



Bollocks. Youre knowledge of history could fill an olive jar. Mankinds improvements have come directly from our ability to create better tools, ever since Homo floresiensis, and the emergence of logical rhetorical thought, our gift from the Greeks. Without this, we would be eating berries under a tree during lightning storms. Your version of "history" is skewed by your own agenda.



Ah yes feudalism, the structure underwhich we were given the birth of science, medicine, literature. Obviously nothing compared to your Spiderman DVD.

Barbarism, which is really just an insult touted by various cultures at other cultures they feared or wished to conquer. Carthage were referred to as a barbarian horde by the Romans. Nothing was further from the truth.

Ah yes Communism. Whos greatest proponents accomplishments mirrored the wests blow for blow until they eventually lost the arms race. And SOMEONE had to lose the arms race. It was as much luck as judgement.

And yes now the illusion of freedom gets trundled out. You are a walking cliche. I want to imrpove our race by feeding idiots into a woodchipper. Unfortunately the council have informed me I am unable to excercise my freedoms using this method due to lack of budget.



If the electronics industry had not invaded asia, it would be another industry dominating instead. your argument is meaningless speculation. Chinas growth is due to its massive manpower capabilities, tied along with the low level of employment cost. This combination can be found nowhere else. We(The West) have thrown investment at China to exploit this so they can sell back to us rubber dog crap at a new and improved rate. You need to learn the difference between cause and effect.



Thanks for finishing off the long line of cliches with this Gem. The love it or leave it whinge from those who are locked into their own ready made cells of ignorance. And you have no idea what my beliefs are sparky, because you are reading into my replies what you want to see. You have made your views however, abundantly clear, thats why I'm giving you the spanking youre enduring.

Maybe you need to go to Asia, maybe you need to travel Africa and go see the results of your capitalist utopia. You dont have a clue, and your points of view are based on "history lite" snippets of information you dredged up from wikipedia and readers digest.

thanks for that sourbastard, that was a very interesting read,

[XR8Master]

Ah yes, it's time to go for a cruise in my fuel injected V8 which I own...and yes I will have my music turned up high to annoy all the folk doing there gardening...Ahhh YES this Red Bull is good

[sleekism]

Hmmm I am part of this supposedly lucky generation and I think I've had to work pretty hard.

I've had to pick fruit on my uncles farm since I was 5 and I didn't have a flushing toilet until I was 16 but I had a frukin awsum time.

I lived out bush and KFC may have been a special family occasion but there was always the half a dozen cars on the front lawn, and the old dirt bikes in the shed.

I was a kid in the Keating years but I think having less money made people nicer there was always barbie every weekend, everyone could still afford home brew and petrol was cheap so we drove everywhere in the old 302 Fairmont.

The economic bubble is going to burst and evrybody will move back to their Falcadoes which they will buy on a ten year plan and people can go back to having barbies with a few cartons of domestic beer.

For all the luxuries I don't think the next generation is that happier you see all the emo crap and the suicides but I think I would rather see Australia like America than some other superpower like China (no offence but those people seem stressed out all the time and China has a suicide rate in the millions)

[Psycho Chicken]

Watch out Sour, the red coats are coming!

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

You are ONLY a teacher, you are payed only to teach all the crap written in text books, you are not payed to drum your own personal beliefs on young susceptible children

What a boring class I would have if I decided to teach only what’s in the text books....

And if you think I’m paid to ONLY "teach" than I really pity you.

I have my own methods for teaching, and "text book" teaching is not at the top of my list of methods. If I dare enforce Aussie lingo to my students than that’s an issue you will have to deal with.

I don't tell you how to do your job, don't tell me how to do mine.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

What a boring class I would have if I decided to teach only what’s in the text books....

And if you think I’m paid to ONLY "teach" than I really pity you.

I have my own methods for teaching, and "text book" teaching is not at the top of my list of methods. If I dare enforce Aussie lingo to my students than that’s an issue you will have to deal with.

I don't tell you how to do your job, don't tell me how to do mine.

Good post mate !

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

No I just have a thing against teachers who think they are some higher supreme. They teach about subjects claming to be experts in their particular field, It is especially annoying on practical subjects ie. IT where I always thought, if they are so good at it why arn't they out doing that themselves ? instead of teaching others about it for $45k a year. but hey thats just my personal opinion, you won't see me drumming it into a class of year 5 students.

You obviously don't know much about teaching, however seem to 'think' you know enough to make informed decisions on it.

Then again, that's half the problem. People making 'informed' descisions or comments on something they don't really have a clue about. Perhaps it would have helped if you had a better teacher... ;)

But seriously - the issue we currently have with Teachers, their roles in society and the development of children, how their responsibilities and roles have changed throughout the decades and the future of the roll of a Teacher, is way to complex for this thread and would derail it.

I will say that you did touch on something correctly - Teachers don't get paid anywhere near enough for what they do, which is causing a skills shortage beacause it's getting harder and harder to find people willing to do what a Teacher does, and also enjoy it, is good at it, well trained and dedicated - willing to do it for the $. I have the utmost respect for Teachers (esspecially at Secondary level)- one of the truly undervalued roles in our society...

[Force6]

If anything you should be commended on getting rid of the "Americanisms" at a young age! Organise is spelt with an s not a z. Honour is spelt with a u!

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

What a boring class I would have if I decided to teach only what’s in the text books....

And if you think I’m paid to ONLY "teach" than I really pity you.

I have my own methods for teaching, and "text book" teaching is not at the top of my list of methods. If I dare enforce Aussie lingo to my students than that’s an issue you will have to deal with.

I don't tell you how to do your job, don't tell me how to do mine.

I didn't say anything about your methods and I also don't care about them, what I do care about is forcing your "OWN BELIEFS" ie "am forever trying to fix the students Americanisms"

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

I didn't say anything about your methods and I also don't care about them, what I do care about is forcing your "OWN BELIEFS" ie "am forever trying to fix the students Americanisms"

Did you ever think for a second that perhaps correcting "Americanisms" is something as simple as spelling colour with a u?

Hang on. Did you ever think?

[XR8Master]

There is a skills shortage in Plastering and there are people willing to pay me $5000 a week to work for them... I don't see school teachers getting those kinds of offers, maybe if I where as educated as a teacher I would know why this is, go figure

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

maybe if I where as educated as a teacher I would know why this is, go figure

You would.

[edit] Let me clarify - I am not calling tradies of any sort "uneducated". Many are far smarter than me, I am sure. Besides, I'm useless at that stuff and would get shown up any day of the week. But here's my point - I don't pretend to know about it, and don't make a bunch of coments on it because they would seem just as stupid as someone comenting on teaching and teachers when they have no clue on that area either.

There are many factors and it's a very deep socialogical issue, the pure fact that someone is willing to pay a tradesperson $5000 for one week, and teachers don't get those offers (in Australia) - doesn't proove anything. It proves a society convention and current demands on values. Doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just the way it is at the moment - most of all, it doesn't proove your point, it just prooves what $ value our society attributes to certain roles within that society (at this given time in history).

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

There is a skills shortage in Plastering and there are people willing to pay me $5000 a week to work for them... I don't see school teachers getting those kinds of offers, maybe if I where as educated as a teacher I would know why this is, go figure

BINGO!!!!!!!

The above statement is exactly what I am talking about.

You cannot have enough forsight to see this cannot and willnot last.
Why is there a skills shortage?
Because the younger generation cannot see the sense in have appretice wages for 4 years. This is why they are screaming for adult apprentrices now.
This money they are will to pay will run out when the building game slows because the economy crashes.

[protd]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

There is a skills shortage in Plastering and there are people willing to pay me $5000 a week to work for them... I don't see school teachers getting those kinds of offers, maybe if I where as educated as a teacher I would know why this is, go figure

come on mate I'm a builder and we dont pay plasterers $5000 a week besides a plasterer is just a labourer with his brains kicked out : :togo:

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by protd

come on mate I'm a builder and we dont pay plasterers $5000 a week besides a plasterer is just a labourer with his brains kicked out : :togo:

If you showed me how to stand frames and trusses then I would be able to do it, After all if you didn't already know steel framing is part of a plasterers trade, If you showed me how to do a fixout I would be quite apt at putting skirtings on after all, plasterers do cut mitres when they cornice

But i'm affraid if the tables where turned and I put a trowel in your hand you would not have the ability to use it as plastering is a skill that takes years to evolve

As for me not being able to earn $5000 a week....I laugh at you, I am about to go to darwin to work on a highrise which is paying $6 sq to set, do the maths...

[protd]

Originally Posted by Deadman

You would.

[edit] Let me clarify - I am not calling tradies of any sort "uneducated". Many are far smarter than me, I am sure. Besides, I'm useless at that stuff and would get shown up any day of the week. But here's my point - I don't pretend to know about it, and don't make a bunch of coments on it because they would seem just as stupid as someone comenting on teaching and teachers when they have no clue on that area either.

There are many factors and it's a very deep socialogical issue, the pure fact that someone is willing to pay a tradesperson $5000 for one week, and teachers don't get those offers (in Australia) - doesn't proove anything. It proves a society convention and current demands on values. Doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just the way it is at the moment - most of all, it doesn't proove your point, it just prooves what $ value our society attributes to certain roles within that society (at this given time in history).

i can garentee you now that NO plasterer i getting $200,000++ a year otherwise there would be no doctors or CEO's they'd just become a plasterer, the most a tradie would get paid if he was working for someone is $50hr know if they do 50hrs a week and i can tell you not to many guys do that is $2500 a week, makes me laugh when i hear bullshit like this