headlights on at servo = security threat? - Page 2

blueoval · 03-03-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkbits

Slightly off topic.
I put $30 in the coupe at BP in Lyndhurst Vic and paid with a new $100 note.
The attendant took the note and was fumbling around on the counter, then crouches down behind the counter and says to me "i just have to check it". I sarcastically replied "don't worry mate it's all there".
I said to him, "have a look at that car out there, do you think i would be so stupid to hand over a counterfeit note driving a car that obvious"
All he said was "company policy". Can someone confirm this?
Probably never seen one before.

Yep, I reckon that the attendant probably never saw a green one before too.

I would like to know HOW they 'check it', to confirm its legit?

FGII-XR6 · 03-03-2008, 02:05 PM

not quite accurate a service station is declared as an esential service and they must serve you unless you are acting in an unlawful manner or suspect that you won't pay

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Originally Posted by Yaw

What a lot of you guys fail to realise is that service stations are a private buisness, They CAN make up thier own rules if they wish. They CAN refuse service for any reason they like. Ifyou are told to leave the premisis you ARE then tresspassing. Just because a business is open to the public does not change that they are a private property.

So if they want to refuse service until you have complied with one of thier rules they have that right to do so. This does not automatically mean it is good buisness sense to do so but it is thier right.

MrEL · 03-03-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Having spent some time working in a Servo when I was a young Fella the reason you should turn your lights off when in a servo is a safety issue with all the Fuel vapours around at headlight height which could be caused to ignite by your headlights.

Have you not ever taken notice of signs at Fuel Depots or on some Tankers saying to turn off headlights or no naked lights etc...

Though these days with many people not paying for their Fuel is also a security risk Coz is harder to see your Numberplate.

What a laod of crap. There are no sparks from your headlights when they are running. Therefore no flash point risk.
If you want to think about sparks with fuel vapour lingering , what about the sparks that come off the starter motor brushes when you fire the car up. Also the vapour would be built up under the car and in the engine bay with nowhere for it to be dispersed. Do the servos make you push the car off the forecourt?
No because it would take too long for you to get the car away to start it so they could clear the pump to rip the next sucker off that needs petrol.

4Vman · 03-03-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

and fair enough too. BTW I wasnt having a go at you mate, just the situation and how this girl handled. Im sure you would have been startled to say the least.

Na mate, didnt think that at all. Yes i was rather taken back at first, then when i realised the stupidity of the whole think i T'eed off...!

atec77 · 03-03-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SlikedTurb

just rang both, Coles express customer care and the actual service station i was at. they both told me that it was because of the camera not picking up the rego, which is fair enough. i asked the manager why they don't have signs at the pump and he said because the company won't let them

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What that means is they bought very cheap cameras and they don't have decent iris and focus control , so anything more than parking lights and they are useless... normally headlights will have little effect on the image of good cctv cams..

MrEL · 03-03-2008, 02:29 PM

Well my missus is a manager of a servo and a couple of facts. A servo is not an essential service. They can refuse to serve anyone who is a health or hazard risk to staff or the public. If they do not leave after being asked they can be removed by the police. I work for an electricity provider who is classed as an essential service , we work to the essential services act. But if their is an immediate risk to public or workers safety we dont work. All the essential services act is to stop industrial action. Anyone who is under the essential services act cannot refuse to supply a service due to industrial action but can so due to safety.
The old Mythbusters crap. The servo that did blow up due to someone using the phone was in europe. It is a one in a billion chance but it did happen and as a knee jerk reaction and the push in todays society to remove all risks and litigation they banned use of the phone. It can happen if the conditions are 100% perfect.
Most mythbusters shows do have flaws. It is impossible to always accurately recreate conditions 100%. They never say that on the show but. Most of their testing can be taken with a grain of salt. It is TV peoples.
Anyways how hard is it to not use your phone when at a servo. The attendent is only doing their job when they refuse to authorise a pump. They are told to do this and they obviously need their job , otherwise they would not turn up. To sit there and fight with them and quote the Mythbusters story which they have all heard a million times is just making you a difficult customer. The people working there dont make the rules they just have to follow them. Same as they dont set the fuel price but alwasy get abused for it.
Unless you feel a bigger man by telling someone to get f$#!ed and quoting Mythbusters to a sucker just doing their job why do it , just follow the rules like they have to. If you do bar up telling a servo attendent off you must not have much in your life to make you feel good.

SlikedTurb · 03-03-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEL

Well my missus is a manager of a servo and a couple of facts. A servo is not an essential service. They can refuse to serve anyone who is a health or hazard risk to staff or the public. If they do not leave after being asked they can be removed by the police. I work for an electricity provider who is classed as an essential service , we work to the essential services act. But if their is an immediate risk to public or workers safety we dont work. All the essential services act is to stop industrial action. Anyone who is under the essential services act cannot refuse to supply a service due to industrial action but can so due to safety.
The old Mythbusters crap. The servo that did blow up due to someone using the phone was in europe. It is a one in a billion chance but it did happen and as a knee jerk reaction and the push in todays society to remove all risks and litigation they banned use of the phone. It can happen if the conditions are 100% perfect.
Most mythbusters shows do have flaws. It is impossible to always accurately recreate conditions 100%. They never say that on the show but. Most of their testing can be taken with a grain of salt. It is TV peoples.
Anyways how hard is it to not use your phone when at a servo. The attendent is only doing their job when they refuse to authorise a pump. They are told to do this and they obviously need their job , otherwise they would not turn up. To sit there and fight with them and quote the Mythbusters story which they have all heard a million times is just making you a difficult customer. The people working there dont make the rules they just have to follow them. Same as they dont set the fuel price but alwasy get abused for it.
Unless you feel a bigger man by telling someone to get f$#!ed and quoting Mythbusters to a sucker just doing their job why do it , just follow the rules like they have to. If you do bar up telling a servo attendent off you must not have much in your life to make you feel good.

well said!

I FluXx I · 03-03-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEL

Well my missus is a manager of a servo and a couple of facts. A servo is not an essential service. They can refuse to serve anyone who is a health or hazard risk to staff or the public. If they do not leave after being asked they can be removed by the police. I work for an electricity provider who is classed as an essential service , we work to the essential services act. But if their is an immediate risk to public or workers safety we dont work. All the essential services act is to stop industrial action. Anyone who is under the essential services act cannot refuse to supply a service due to industrial action but can so due to safety.
The old Mythbusters crap. The servo that did blow up due to someone using the phone was in europe. It is a one in a billion chance but it did happen and as a knee jerk reaction and the push in todays society to remove all risks and litigation they banned use of the phone. It can happen if the conditions are 100% perfect.
Most mythbusters shows do have flaws. It is impossible to always accurately recreate conditions 100%. They never say that on the show but. Most of their testing can be taken with a grain of salt. It is TV peoples.
Anyways how hard is it to not use your phone when at a servo. The attendent is only doing their job when they refuse to authorise a pump. They are told to do this and they obviously need their job , otherwise they would not turn up. To sit there and fight with them and quote the Mythbusters story which they have all heard a million times is just making you a difficult customer. The people working there dont make the rules they just have to follow them. Same as they dont set the fuel price but alwasy get abused for it.
Unless you feel a bigger man by telling someone to get f$#!ed and quoting Mythbusters to a sucker just doing their job why do it , just follow the rules like they have to. If you do bar up telling a servo attendent off you must not have much in your life to make you feel good.

but 4vman was just walking near a servo. He wasnt filling up with fuel or anything. Sounds like the dumb B***h at the servo over reacted

4Vman · 03-03-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEL

Well my missus is a manager of a servo and a couple of facts. A servo is not an essential service. They can refuse to serve anyone who is a health or hazard risk to staff or the public. If they do not leave after being asked they can be removed by the police. I work for an electricity provider who is classed as an essential service , we work to the essential services act. But if their is an immediate risk to public or workers safety we dont work. All the essential services act is to stop industrial action. Anyone who is under the essential services act cannot refuse to supply a service due to industrial action but can so due to safety.
The old Mythbusters crap. The servo that did blow up due to someone using the phone was in europe. It is a one in a billion chance but it did happen and as a knee jerk reaction and the push in todays society to remove all risks and litigation they banned use of the phone. It can happen if the conditions are 100% perfect.
Most mythbusters shows do have flaws. It is impossible to always accurately recreate conditions 100%. They never say that on the show but. Most of their testing can be taken with a grain of salt. It is TV peoples.
Anyways how hard is it to not use your phone when at a servo. The attendent is only doing their job when they refuse to authorise a pump. They are told to do this and they obviously need their job , otherwise they would not turn up. To sit there and fight with them and quote the Mythbusters story which they have all heard a million times is just making you a difficult customer. The people working there dont make the rules they just have to follow them. Same as they dont set the fuel price but alwasy get abused for it.
Unless you feel a bigger man by telling someone to get f$#!ed and quoting Mythbusters to a sucker just doing their job why do it , just follow the rules like they have to. If you do bar up telling a servo attendent off you must not have much in your life to make you feel good.

Im assuming you're aiming this at me, so lets get a few facts right here.. i was NOT a customer of the station, i did not enter the shop, i was merely walking past the station which was on a corner, i took a short cut diagonally from driveway to driveway, i didnt get closer than 5 meters to a pump... this attendant went out of her way to not only disrupt 4 people's refuel, but interupt a phone conversation and chase me while i continued to walk off the property.. this particular attendant had to leave the shop to have a crack at me... so i let her know my feelings about her lack of manners and considerable over reaction to what i would consider a nonsensical situation...

dave289 · 03-03-2008, 03:03 PM

Whenever i put fuel in the car i switch the engine off.I was always taught by my old man who was taught by his old man to never have the headlights on while the engine is not running for the simple fact that it drains the crap out of the battery.So basically, start your car then put your headlights on.then when you come to park your car,park, then switch off lights then switch off motor.simple.Is this not common sense or what .I dont know about any safety issues with your headlights causing an explosion,but to fill your car you should have your engine off which means your headlights should be off too .

A mate of mine always puts his headlights on first then starts the car.then when he pulls up he switches off the motor first then the headlights.I always thought this was because he was taught to drive by his mother.

The problem with the mobile phone is they say it can build up static and then cause a spark which may ignite when some womens shirts blows up against the car while she is jibbering on her mobile.so i dont know what the problem was with walking on the outskirts of the servo 4vman.i have got a good static spark when touching the door after driving on some cars on a few occasions but i am yet to ignite a servo.

4Vman · 03-03-2008, 03:07 PM

There are literally hundreds of unavoidable "events" that have the hypothetical "potential" to ignite fuel vapours that occur every time you refuel, starting or stopping an engine, hot exhaust, faulty wiring, sparks from leaky exhaust, static build up from plastic objects... the list goes on and on....
Moblie phones would rank as far less of a risk than any of these....
What's a safe distance to use a mobile from a refueling car???

MrEL · 03-03-2008, 03:09 PM

It is a common fact that is well know that you do not use a phone on a servo one way or the other. It is just the way it is.
Does not matter if you are a custmer or not. If there is someone on site using a phone the site gets shut down. It is the law under workcover!
It was not her that disrupted 4 other people filling up it was you. Do you know if she was being audited for work practices as regulary happens? If she didnt shut down the servo it could of been her job.
Get your hands on an AIP form. It clearly states no smoking or mobile phones on site and no sources of ignition within 8 metres of a pump or tank vent. If you do not know what an AIP form is ask the dude fixing the pumps next time you see them to show you.
You entered the servo forecourt customer or not so you are under their rules. You think you dont have to follow the servo's rules because you are not a customer , but if a section of the canopy fell off , hit you and caused you physical injury while you were just taking a shortcut I bet you would be wanting their insurance to cover your medical bills because it was their equipment that was faulty.
"Sorry you are not covered , you were just taking a shortcut and were not a customer."
You would fight that would you not? You walk onto their property you follow their rules. Simple.

FGII-XR6 · 03-03-2008, 03:10 PM

health and safety are valid reasons for refusing to supply an esential service ( petrol was declared an esential service in the 80s) not likeing the look of someone is not a valid reason . some service station attendants are Nazis ( not talking about your missus here as I don't know her" and think they can do what they want. I recently had a situation where i was filling up both LPG and petrol at the same time the petrol nazi switched off the LPG till i had finished pumping the petrol . this is not the first time i have had this happen and she gave the same excuse as the other uneducated fools that is dangerous to put both in at the same time. this is bull i checked with workcover and the say it is legal and safe but the claim "saftey as their reason" i no longer get fuel at these 3 outlets and I have informed their owners of my reason fo not buying their product

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Originally Posted by MrEL

Well my missus is a manager of a servo and a couple of facts. A servo is not an essential service. They can refuse to serve anyone who is a health or hazard risk to staff or the public. If they do not leave after being asked they can be removed by the police. I work for an electricity provider who is classed as an essential service , we work to the essential services act. But if their is an immediate risk to public or workers safety we dont work. All the essential services act is to stop industrial action. Anyone who is under the essential services act cannot refuse to supply a service due to industrial action but can so due to safety.
The old Mythbusters crap. The servo that did blow up due to someone using the phone was in europe. It is a one in a billion chance but it did happen and as a knee jerk reaction and the push in todays society to remove all risks and litigation they banned use of the phone. It can happen if the conditions are 100% perfect.
Most mythbusters shows do have flaws. It is impossible to always accurately recreate conditions 100%. They never say that on the show but. Most of their testing can be taken with a grain of salt. It is TV peoples.
Anyways how hard is it to not use your phone when at a servo. The attendent is only doing their job when they refuse to authorise a pump. They are told to do this and they obviously need their job , otherwise they would not turn up. To sit there and fight with them and quote the Mythbusters story which they have all heard a million times is just making you a difficult customer. The people working there dont make the rules they just have to follow them. Same as they dont set the fuel price but alwasy get abused for it.
Unless you feel a bigger man by telling someone to get f$#!ed and quoting Mythbusters to a sucker just doing their job why do it , just follow the rules like they have to. If you do bar up telling a servo attendent off you must not have much in your life to make you feel good.

MrEL · 03-03-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

There are literally hundreds of unavoidable "events" that have the hypothetical "potential" to ignite fuel vapours that occur every time you refuel, starting or stopping an engine, hot exhaust, faulty wiring, sparks from leaky exhaust, static build up from plastic objects... the list goes on and on....
Moblie phones would rank as far less of a risk than any of these....
What's a safe distance to use a mobile from a refueling car???

I totally agree with you there. As I said above it is a one in a billion chance and I know there are far more potential sources of ignition then the phone. All I was saying is teh rules no matter how stupid they are are in place and the staff have to follow them as they are being reemed from further above. For what its worth I reckon it is stupid to but I dont have the power to change them and why make some poor twats day harder by fighting with them over something they have no power to fight.
It is just easier to follow the rules.
I wonder if Mythbusters will test the myth that disagreeing with someone on the internet will create a fight?

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4Vman · 03-03-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEL

I totally agree with you there. As I said above it is a one in a billion chance and I know there are far more potential sources of ignition then the phone. All I was saying is teh rules no matter how stupid they are are in place and the staff have to follow them as they are being reemed from further above. For what its worth I reckon it is stupid to but I dont have the power to change them and why make some poor twats day harder by fighting with them over something they have no power to fight.
It is just easier to follow the rules.
I wonder if Mythbusters will test the myth that disagreeing with someone on the internet will create a fight?

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I understand the rules, and im aware thet its not permitted to use a moblie while refueling, the problem was i WASNT refueling, i was just a pedestrian walking past, and out off the property within 20 seconds....!

galaxy xr8 · 03-03-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEL

It is a common fact that is well know that you do not use a phone on a servo one way or the other. It is just the way it is.
Does not matter if you are a custmer or not. If there is someone on site using a phone the site gets shut down. It is the law under workcover!
It was not her that disrupted 4 other people filling up it was you. Do you know if she was being audited for work practices as regulary happens? If she didnt shut down the servo it could of been her job.
Get your hands on an AIP form. It clearly states no smoking or mobile phones on site and no sources of ignition within 8 metres of a pump or tank vent. If you do not know what an AIP form is ask the dude fixing the pumps next time you see them to show you.
You entered the servo forecourt customer or not so you are under their rules. You think you dont have to follow the servo's rules because you are not a customer , but if a section of the canopy fell off , hit you and caused you physical injury while you were just taking a shortcut I bet you would be wanting their insurance to cover your medical bills because it was their equipment that was faulty.
"Sorry you are not covered , you were just taking a shortcut and were not a customer."
You would fight that would you not? You walk onto their property you follow their rules. Simple.

I agree with you 100% mate, I have never left my light's on when refueling anyway, I don't know why you would, you turn the ignition off so why not the light's, and like you say, some people jump and and down and scream murder when their in the wrong but can not addmit it, and when the obvious does happen like that situition in Europe, well it's to late then isn't it...

FGII-XR6 · 03-03-2008, 03:18 PM

this is educational http://www.iccwa.org.au/Mobile%20pho...Lit%202004.pdf

Creampuff · 03-03-2008, 03:19 PM

You should have taken off your balaclava whilst filling up.

I FluXx I · 03-03-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dave289

Whenever i put fuel in the car i switch the engine off.I was always taught by my old man who was taught by his old man to never have the headlights on while the engine is not running for the simple fact that it drains the crap out of the battery.So basically, start your car then put your headlights on.then when you come to park your car,park, then switch off lights then switch off motor.simple.Is this not common sense or what .I dont know about any safety issues with your headlights causing an explosion,but to fill your car you should have your engine off which means your headlights should be off too .

A mate of mine always puts his headlights on first then starts the car.then when he pulls up he switches off the motor first then the headlights.I always thought this was because he was taught to drive by his mother.

The problem with the mobile phone is they say it can build up static and then cause a spark which may ignite when some womens shirts blows up against the car while she is jibbering on her mobile.so i dont know what the problem was with walking on the outskirts of the servo 4vman.i have got a good static spark when touching the door after driving on some cars on a few occasions but i am yet to ignite a servo.

the thread starter like me has auto headlights. They turn them selves off 20 or 30 seconds after you turn the car off

galaxy xr8 · 03-03-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I understand the rules, and im aware thet its not permitted to use a moblie while refueling, the problem was i WASNT refueling, i was just a pedestrian walking past, and out off the property within 20 seconds....!

It's doesn't really matter, you allready said you entered the property, she clearly was just doing her job, wheather she went overboard or not, is your judegment as you were the only one there that can tell the story.

MrEL · 03-03-2008, 03:21 PM

Ok maybe they do not make it clear enough but the rules are actually no mobile phones in use on site at all.

broken_suave · 03-03-2008, 03:28 PM

To be honest, I would most likely have done the same, or at least a very similar thing.

Fancy yelling over a PA and chasing me down, asking me to hang up! If I was refueling then I could understand, but just passing through? Thats a bit excessive. And then to cut all the pumps, so that 4 other people had to wait for her to get over herself?

I admit there are plenty of people out there who are not scientifically minded, but you really have to apply some logic. If imminent explosions are to occur, do you not think there would be fuel stations exploding everywhere? When was the last time you heard on the news:

"a BP service station has been engulfed in flames following a massive explosion felt be residents in all surrounding streets. 8 people have been hospitalised, including 2 in intensive care. It is beleived that the explosion was caused by a signal from a mobile phone being used by a passing pedestrian."

I know its been a while for me. Honestly, if fuel stations where that vulnerable, do you think there'd be better protection? More awareness? Something?

No, because as it stands, the likelyhood of a mobile phone signal causing the fuel vapour to ignite, is so incredibly slim that there is infact only one documented case of it occuring.

I'm all for sticking to the rules, and as I said, if I was fueling up, it would be altogether a different case. However people can really go overboard sometimes.

4Vman · 03-03-2008, 03:48 PM

Yes.. and that's my point, there's a difference between exercising commonsense and the application of rules within the "spirit" of and in the face of triviality.. and then there's being so rigid and dogmatic as to not only make a total fool of yourself BUT inconvenience 4 other customers.... and vacate the store to do so and invite the potential for thieft, as well as instigate a confrontation..
What about using a mobile inside the car? i regularly see passengers on the phone in petrol stations.
Remember jay walking is illegal too, regardless of when and where you are only supposed to cross a street at an intersection..

Buddy 1 · 03-03-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEL

I totally agree with you there. As I said above it is a one in a billion chance and I know there are far more potential sources of ignition then the phone. All I was saying is teh rules no matter how stupid they are are in place and the staff have to follow them as they are being reemed from further above. For what its worth I reckon it is stupid to but I dont have the power to change them and why make some poor twats day harder by fighting with them over something they have no power to fight.
It is just easier to follow the rules.
I wonder if Mythbusters will test the myth that disagreeing with someone on the internet will create a fight?

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You have said in an earlier post of Mine Re turning your Lights off for Safety is a Load of Crap, well I did not say it was my idea to do this only that it was policy at all 3 servos I worked at & managed 1 of them when I was younger.

You have also stated that workers are only doing there Jobs well so was I way back then :P

I have never seen a cars headlights cause an explosion however it was Policy, what if it had faulty lights which sparked or they were very Hot??

Who knows if headlights could even be an issue however it was Policy same as it was policy to turn off your Engine while filling or not smoke on the forecourt however that did not stop Morons smoking while filling up & then blowing smoke in your face when they came inside & no I was never blown up by any of this but the policy must have been in place for a reason?

As for the Dude who was walking past I find that a lot over the top, are we going to ban all people wearing clothing that is high in static filling up as well specially on windy days & I have seen cases of static in clothing igniting fumes from a bowser.

I have walked past Servos myself on the footpath while on the Mobile & would also tell anyone who yelled at me to shove it

Buddy 1 · 03-03-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes.. and that's my point, there's a difference between exercising commonsense and the application of rules within the "spirit" of and in the face of triviality.. and then there's being so rigid and dogmatic as to not only make a total fool of yourself BUT inconvenience 4 other customers.... and vacate the store to do so and invite the potential for thieft, as well as instigate a confrontation..
What about using a mobile inside the car? i regularly see passengers on the phone in petrol stations.
Remember jay walking is illegal too, regardless of when and where you are only supposed to cross a street at an intersection..

Agree

fmc351 · 03-03-2008, 04:01 PM

Its precautionary, and one documented case is sufficient grounds for the precaution.

4vman stick to the footpath, you wont be in the situation. You entered the service station property, you encounter their rules. You were the one that caused the delay and drama by taking a 'talking' tiny shortcut without thinking, not the operator, they just followed the rules they are obliged to as a condition of employment.

Its up there with approved containers for filling. There are non-approved containers that would be fine while others are not, but who is going to decide which is which on the spot? Just ban them all unless approved for fuel storage.

Its funny, you think the operator was emo, look in a mirror ya bunch of sooks.

4Vman · 03-03-2008, 04:04 PM

This is an interesting read, albiet only one persons opinion.:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1799366.htm

This bit was funny: "And consider that in the UK , some 200 Shell petrol stations have mobile phone towers in the tall petrol price indicators, which stand right there on the forecourt, a few metres from the petrol pumps. The towers put out a lot more grunt than your small mobile phone."

4Vman · 03-03-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

4vman stick to the footpath, you wont be in the situation. You entered the service station property, you encounter their rules. You were the one that caused the delay and drama by taking a 'talking' tiny shortcut without thinking, not the operator, they just followed the rules they are obliged to as a condition of employment.

Yes i accept that... but i kind of rank it up there with getting booked for jay-walking across a deserted country road.... sure i was technically in the wrong, but its overkill...

fmc351 · 03-03-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

This is an interesting read, albiet only one persons opinion.:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1799366.htm

This bit was funny: "And consider that in the UK , some 200 Shell petrol stations have mobile phone towers in the tall petrol price indicators, which stand right there on the forecourt, a few metres from the petrol pumps. The towers put out a lot more grunt than your small mobile phone."

Theres a distance at which its safe to smoke in a service station too, but who is going to measure it? I believe its 8 metres. But the public dont do so well with rules like 'within 8 metres', so the rule is just outright ban within service stations. I switch my car off to fuel, but the car pulling in behind me waiting for the pump is still idling, doesnt mean I should just leave mine idling anyway.

fmc351 · 03-03-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes i accept that... but i kind of rank it up there with getting booked for jay-walking across a deserted country road.... sure i was technically in the wrong, but its overkill...

Provided it is deserted, and you arent mistaken by missing that one car.

Or is deserted 4 cars an hour, 12 cars, 30? The problem is shifting rules like you imply are arbitrary, each individual has a different idea on what constitutes deserted. For some, its anything that isnt Punt Rd during peak hour.