Not a Good Look for Ford or Next Gen Ranger - Page 2

Smoke Pursuit · 11-01-2023, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

So whats the point of a dealership then if they just get a car cheap from the Parent company, make a profit and then have no skin in the game if things go wrong?

I've had Ford Aus replace cars (as you're well aware of) and issue refunds to me which has been great. The dealership dusted its hands off me as well.

More reason for Ford to scrap the dealer network and just sell directly. Keep the profits of the sales and then they'll have more money to deal with issues (and loan cars).

Because alot of the time the manufacturers are calling the shots from behind the scenes. They have to approve the repairs to start with, many of which in these cases come and go and when it comes to the dealer are not showing. Dealers have to fault before they can get Ford to process.

BENT_8 · 11-01-2023, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Bah bah black sheep?

Don't really care what you think... dribble dribble.

Can you actually back that statement up? Or are you just pulling nose hairs?

Yeah, Ford did radio ads about clearing the backlog of dealer inventory with discounts on ready to deliver stock and hey presto theres white XL/XLS everywhere.

Even old mate Ford PRXR8 mentions seeing an abundance of base models in suburbia recently so its from your side of the coin too champ.

jpd80 · 11-01-2023, 06:36 PM

Yeah and the other point is delivering stock that has no build impediments (limit on V6 in first 6 months)
So Ford has two choices, stick to limited supply of high series V6 that are already sold or fill up the boat
with some free stock for dealers to sell….sometimes “it’s here on the lot” gets the walk in impulse buyer

CyberWasp · 11-01-2023, 08:13 PM

Are you guys telling me that my gazillion dollar dealer delivery fee, means they are not checking over my new car purchase thoroughly, before handing me the keyfob?

au2000 · 11-01-2023, 10:28 PM

with many new car owners forced to sign legal waivers as they wait for replacement vehicles.

This was hinted at a few days back .. not a confidence inspiring element.. just hope they have s orted what ever issues there are and its not a bandaid fix

Ben73 · 11-01-2023, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GASWAGON

Terrible advertising for such a new leading model supposing to be 1st in class.

No wonder Hilux back on top and Dmax getting more popular???

As someone who has driven all three models, the new Ranger absolutely destroys the Hilux and Dmax. Hell even the PX3 feels better than a brand new Dmax. I drove them back to back and was seriously disappointed with the Dmax after all the hype it got.
It was fine, but it didn't feel even close to the PX3 for refinement.

prydey · 12-01-2023, 08:51 AM

Anyone who thinks this is a problem unique to Ford.... I have a bridge for sale.

Big_Daz · 12-01-2023, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

ACA, you got to be a dildo to watch then believe anything on that show. the OG click bait

Yeah, I heard there was some story about new rangers so was interested until I heard it was on ACA, then I knew it would either be 1. Mostly BS or 2. Way exaggerated for TV Ratings. ACA is garbage journalism at its best and is interested in click bait type stuff rather than the actual truth...

As soon as ACA gets involved, the story looses any credibility in my books, having seen what they did many years ago to get a hooning story on the GC (Posed as Uni Students doing Film and harrassed/paid people to do burnouts and race for there "assessment".)

Bossxr8 · 12-01-2023, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Bah bah black sheep?

Don't really care what you think... dribble dribble.

Can you actually back that statement up? Or are you just pulling nose hairs?

Just ignore the troll. It was a pretty pathetic attempt, cause we all know it’s the higher end stuff that’s selling. He couldn’t even afford one, so he’s bitter. They sold around 1500 Raptors in November alone, which was more than a quarter of the total. Those numbers are pretty staggering.

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Are you guys telling me that my gazillion dollar dealer delivery fee, means they are not checking over my new car purchase thoroughly, before handing me the keyfob?

Issues can pop up after the car is delivered, i thought that would be obvious. Or are these people claiming they were delivered that way?

There is really not much a dealer can do if the vehicle arrives working perfectly, and something goes wrong weeks later.

hayseed · 12-01-2023, 12:58 PM

This Thread needs to be merged with this one

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11496305

Where It belongs...LOL

prydey · 12-01-2023, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

This Thread needs to be merged with this one

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11496305

Where It belongs...LOL

Agree. I started that thread more specifically about the regular suggestion that Ram was 'taking Australia by storm' so to speak but it kind of went off on a tangent straight away.

This article definitely fits though. A sum total of 2 owners on the ACA program. Seriously. They've sold 3-5k/month since their release. No brand is immune to the odd problem vehicle.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Agree. I started that thread more specifically about the regular suggestion that Ram was 'taking Australia by storm' so to speak but it kind of went off on a tangent straight away.

This article definitely fits though. A sum total of 2 owners on the ACA program. Seriously. They've sold 3-5k/month since their release. No brand is immune to the odd problem vehicle.

2, or only 2 that didnt comply with the non disclosure agreement, thats the real question.

Could be 20, or 200..

prydey · 12-01-2023, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

2, or only 2 that didnt comply with the non disclosure agreement, thats the real question.

Could be 20, or 200..

I thought I was getting to cynical old man status but I reckon you're a bit further up the road

Itsme · 12-01-2023, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Agree. I started that thread more specifically about the regular suggestion that Ram was 'taking Australia by storm' so to speak but it kind of went off on a tangent straight away.

This article definitely fits though. A sum total of 2 owners on the ACA program. Seriously. They've sold 3-5k/month since their release. No brand is immune to the odd problem vehicle.

The inside gossip I get from some guys who work for ford dealerships tell me these new rangers have plenty of teething problems; how true is anyone's guess but could explain why some owners are not very happy.
ACA program is only talking of 2 that has come to light, could be lots more we not hearing about.

Food for thought!

**kypez** · 12-01-2023, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There is really not much a dealer can do if the vehicle arrives working perfectly, and something goes wrong weeks later.

With my cars with issues.

DoA CAM phaser on the 2019 Mustang. Start it up and you could hear it. No way a dealer could have missed that.

Water leaking, warning lights on (they cleared the codes before they gave it to me), digital radio not working. No way they could have missed that in PD. Dried out the car and sold me a story of Digital Radio not working in Toowoomba well. Dodgy as they come. Found out it was due to the water corroding wires causing it to fail.

Maybe not in the case of this Ranger but some dealers are pure garbage.

Smoke Pursuit · 12-01-2023, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

2, or only 2 that didnt comply with the non disclosure agreement, thats the real question.

Could be 20, or 200..

It's not a non-disclosure agreement. Its simply a waiver to say that you accept the new vehicle and in doing so waive your right to take any further action against Ford, its people and the selling dealer.

Don't let the truth get in the way of your story telling tho.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Itsme

The inside gossip I get from some guys who work for ford dealerships tell me these new rangers have plenty of teething problems; how true is anyone's guess but could explain why some owners are not very happy.
ACA program is only talking of 2 that has come to light, could be lots more we not hearing about.

Food for thought!

Theres **** loads, i know of a few myself but no good mentioning them as they say im just a Holden/Toyota troll before sticking their heads back in the bunker.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

It's not a non-disclosure agreement. Its simply a waiver to say that you accept the new vehicle and in doing so waive your right to take any further action against Ford, its people and the selling dealer.

Don't let the truth get in the way of your story telling tho.

Nah, its not.

Adamz Ghia · 12-01-2023, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Nah, its not.

Having been through the same thing with the Focus- yeah it is.

prydey · 12-01-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

It's not a non-disclosure agreement. Its simply a waiver to say that you accept the new vehicle and in doing so waive your right to take any further action against Ford, its people and the selling dealer.

Don't let the truth get in the way of your story telling tho.

Is this a Ranger thing? We didn't sign any waiver or NDA when we bought our Escape.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Having been through the same thing with the Focus- yeah it is.

Call it what you like, its designed to silence the consumer and thats all that matters.

That your playing semantics is actually quite telling to be honest.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Is this a Ranger thing? We didn't sign any waiver or NDA when we bought our Escape.

You sign it when they replace it after it ****s itself, if it hasnt **** itself yet, you wouldnt have been annoying them into typing one up...yet.

Smoke Pursuit · 12-01-2023, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Call it what you like, its designed to silence the consumer and thats all that matters.

That your playing semantics is actually quite telling to be honest.

Ive signed 2 in the last 12 months. Don't make me post a pic on here to make you look like the complete dh you are.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Ive signed 2 in the last 12 months. Don't make me post a pic on here to make you look like the complete dh you are.

If its on Ford letterhead do it, help prove Ford replace lemons regularly.

Tassie f100 · 12-01-2023, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Just ignore the troll. It was a pretty pathetic attempt, cause we all know it’s the higher end stuff that’s selling. He couldn’t even afford one, so he’s bitter. They sold around 1500 Raptors in November alone, which was more than a quarter of the total. Those numbers are pretty staggering.

Issues can pop up after the car is delivered, i thought that would be obvious. Or are these people claiming they were delivered that way?

There is really not much a dealer can do if the vehicle arrives working perfectly, and something goes wrong weeks later.

That is wrong.As a representative of Ford,who is going to fix the problem(s) if the Ford dealer either can’t be bothered or takes weeks to do something.Of course the dealer can(and should be) doing all they can to assist the buyer.I am sure they didn’t fluff around for weeks before taking the purchase money.

**kypez** · 12-01-2023, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Ive signed 2 in the last 12 months. Don't make me post a pic on here to make you look like the complete dh you are.

I believe they had NDAs many many years ago. Think the start of B series days. Haven't heard the use since then though and the document is what you mentioned.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

I believe they had NDAs many many years ago. Think the start of B series days. Haven't heard the use since then though and the document is what you mentioned.

Its actually worse, it basically says that if they replace your lemon with another lemon you suck it up.
Its why my old employer was in the process of ditching the PX3 biturbo that he had replaced after 2 sets of 10a pump gears, a new box and brake lines before/incase it raised its inconvenient head again.

**kypez** · 12-01-2023, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Its actually worse, it basically says that if they replace your lemon with another lemon you suck it up.
Its why my old employer was in the process of ditching the PX3 biturbo that he had replaced after 2 sets of 10a pump gears, a new box and brake lines before/incase it raised its inconvenient head again.

To be fair to Ford, they replaced 3 lemons in a row for me. Each car I mentioned previously was a replacement and each time, they replaced it off the first car that failed. I did pay a difference for the final car given it was a limited edition and significantly more expensive than the first car that had failed.

I've probably said too much already though...

prydey · 12-01-2023, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Its actually worse, it basically says that if they replace your lemon with another lemon you suck it up.
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They are still obligated to repair it under warranty I would think.

Either way I think this is getting blown out of proportion somewhat. There's a lot of Rangers on the road. Even 200 would be a small number in the scheme of things. These aren't $20k cars. Pretty sure if there was a large number it would be all over these boards as well as other social media outlets.

BENT_8 · 12-01-2023, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

They are still obligated to repair it under warranty I would think.

Then youre back to square one without your car, difference is its not getting replaced again, you simply cop the inconvenience.

Kypez tells us about having repeat replacements and whilst we accept that as fact, he's obviously dabbled in new Fords a bit, something the two in the ACA piece clearly dont have on their side.
I bet if you had ongoing issues with your escape, had it replaced and found the same in the new one it might not be the result Kypez has had.