Should I let her??? - Page 2

T_Terror · 14-11-2006, 11:41 PM

what difference is it if she drives in your xr8 or an old camry?

probably safer in your car and you can share your experience

better seh does it with you than on her own later

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 15-11-2006, 01:07 AM

Jeeze, put a little faith in your daughter. If you dont have faith , take her for a few drives before you go ! If taught right , from the start, She is off to a good start! Tell her she has to stick to stick to 100 and let her know that she cannot overtake anyone with out you saying she can ! Dont treat her like a child and you might be surprised !

normxb · 15-11-2006, 04:48 AM

Yep , I'd say let her drive , even if it's only a couple of short stints .

2 reasons :-

1/ Gets her used to driving a distance (even a 1/2 hour & build up)

2/ If you're out somewhere & you get sick/have had a couple too many , she's not affraid to get behind the wheel of your car to get you home .

Both our girls have driven our cars for this reason.

kyro_02 · 15-11-2006, 04:53 AM

i didn't think it was legal for a L plater to drive a vehicle whilst the instructor is intoxicated above the legal limit?

legality aside, yes your kids would have a good job driving their dad home after they have too many :P

normxb · 15-11-2006, 05:07 AM

Hi kyro_02
OBJ said his daughter gets her licence in 3 weeks , I was presuming she intended to drive after that , as long as there's no restriction in car size in NT , I think it's Ok . This would also cover if he was "over the limit" .

My girls have driven me home when I've got sick , I can't drink booze for medical reasons , so no probs there .

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LTDHO · 15-11-2006, 07:33 AM

Mate I wouldn't put my young daughter into a car like that.

IMO dangerous.

snortycorty · 15-11-2006, 08:47 AM

I learnt to drive in my dads brand spanker BA xr6 (when they very first came out) and everyone thought he was MAD. And now he has his BA xr8, and my 16 year old brother learns to drive in that. (and so did i for a few weeks) Everyone whispers to me "oh my god, if i had a car like that I'd never let my kid drive it"
But IMO it's dads choice. He has faith in us kids!

As for letting your daughter drive a long distance, I think thats a great idea! On my L's the longest I had driven in one go was just over half an hour. On my first long trip by myself I was a bit uncomfortable and not sure how I'd handle it.

If you feel comfortable letting your daughter drive your car, then she is going to give a better performance. If your a bit nervy etc she is going to be able to tell and that is not going to be any help to her, trust me on that!

photn · 15-11-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I was thinking camoweal to Isa. The road through there is all fairly new. Mostly straight with some gentle bends and hills for variation..... She drives well but thus far has only driven our fiesta or her vitara. Traffice should be reasonably light as well. And I think that P platers are limited to 100 in QLD?? Its 110 in NT. That suits me. Maybe it would be good experience in a controlled situation. Maybe.

Boyeah go the fiesta's.......lol.. dude i was in the same sorta position with my folks. i just got my Red p's and we where heading down south for the summer....and my folks said i could drive....they let me drivethe first 20-40 minutes of the trip (highway cruzing) that way after i got tired i just pulled over and went straight to sleep in the back. they never heard a peep out from me again lol

Hally · 15-11-2006, 08:50 AM

What is dangerous about her driving at 100kp/h in a xr8 compared to her driving at the same speed in her own Vitara? You have to be kidding!! I would not put my 16 y.o daughter in a thing like a Vitara. No offence OBJ as your circumstances maybe different re location, but in the city and burbs any of the old style soft-roaders are dangerous with in-experience drivers in panic situation.

I say let her drive as much as possible. Others have said it will give her good experience and I agree. At the end of the day, you will be in the car with her and if you don't feel comfortable you can take over. In reality she will be so rapt that you let her drive your pride and joy she will be out to impress you.

snortycorty · 15-11-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hally

I say let her drive as much as possible. Others have said it will give her good experience and I agree. At the end of the day, you will be in the car with her and if you don't feel comfortable you can take over. In reality she will be so rapt that you let her drive your pride and joy she will be out to impress you.

That is so true, driving my dads car is privilege.

Poetic Justice · 15-11-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Mate I wouldn't put my young daughter into a car like that.

IMO dangerous.

If you ask me, it's the attitude like the one above that ends up with the fact that girls never have any experience and are dubbed as poorer drivers compared to males who some how seem to always get the experience.

Problem is, if you decide against letting her drive the car because you don't think she can handle it - she will forever think she can't handle driving a car like that and in the long run wont ever have any confidence in driving cars, because her old man was too scared to let her drive his car.

My old man always put trust in me, alot more than my brother and my sister who were only ever allowed to drive my Mum's laser.. but for some reason and after alot of annoying on my part, I was allowed to drive his AU V8 and 350z on my L's.

If you don't take your daughter out and let her experience driving, over taking, dealing with stressful situations, where is she going to learn? Driving at 100kms in - did you say, a Vitara? If I had a daughter of my own, and I had an XR8 versus her Vitara, I'd far more prefer her to learn how to do a few more manouvers and experience driving in what would be a more stable road holding car...

Take for instance over taking on a highway... sitting at 100kms behind a truck, would you prefer to have the ability to learn how to go about it in an underpowered trolley, or in your XR8 which holds the ground and has the power to get her through the situation quickly? At least once she's done she'll be able to realise whether or not her Vitara would have been able to do it.

I know that if I am in the position to be driving 50+k performance vehicles when I have kids on their learners, I will always let them have a drive... maybe not often, but at least to let them have as much experience before they are out without me watching over them...

EA2BA · 15-11-2006, 09:37 AM

Let her have a go, personally I would, she can only prove she is capable or you will never let her touch your car again.

4.9 EF Futura · 15-11-2006, 10:02 AM

Sounds like a good controlled environment for Ms OBJ to try her hand behind one of these cars. I dunno about you guys, but i found that going from smaller, less refined vehicles to a late model falcon - the falc was very easy to drive.... on an open road, these things drive themselves. Just need respect for what the engine is capable of.

Ancient chinese proverb: man who make promise at chinese resteraunt, destined to have his faith tested!

merlin · 15-11-2006, 10:16 AM

I don't see the issue - it will be a great learning experience for her to drive it, the more kilometers she can rack up the better.

S3SR · 15-11-2006, 10:19 AM

let her drive the car around town, see how she goes, then decide whether she should drive it.

accidents will happen just depends if they were caused, just unfortunate or right place at the wrong time...

XR.1967 · 15-11-2006, 10:21 AM

If I was you I would let her. Why wouldn't you?

Outbackjack · 15-11-2006, 10:29 AM

Gidday all, thanks heaps for all the feed back. Some really good perspective here, especially from the newer drivers that have some driving in the higher performance area. The trust question has been raised a couple of times. And the simple fact is, yes I trust her.
I am now of the mind that I would be helping her along the road to safer driving than hindering her. She knows that she will never be allowed to drive the car by herself, but you guys are right, she can learn heaps sitting next to me.....

Cheers all, thanks.

(Bloody James boags!! :nutsycuck )

LTDHO · 15-11-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackout

If you ask me, it's the attitude like the one above that ends up with the fact that girls never have any experience and are dubbed as poorer drivers compared to males who some how seem to always get the experience.

Problem is, if you decide against letting her drive the car because you don't think she can handle it - she will forever think she can't handle driving a car like that and in the long run wont ever have any confidence in driving cars, because her old man was too scared to let her drive his car.

My old man always put trust in me, alot more than my brother and my sister who were only ever allowed to drive my Mum's laser.. but for some reason and after alot of annoying on my part, I was allowed to drive his AU V8 and 350z on my L's.

If you don't take your daughter out and let her experience driving, over taking, dealing with stressful situations, where is she going to learn? Driving at 100kms in - did you say, a Vitara? If I had a daughter of my own, and I had an XR8 versus her Vitara, I'd far more prefer her to learn how to do a few more manouvers and experience driving in what would be a more stable road holding car...

Take for instance over taking on a highway... sitting at 100kms behind a truck, would you prefer to have the ability to learn how to go about it in an underpowered trolley, or in your XR8 which holds the ground and has the power to get her through the situation quickly? At least once she's done she'll be able to realise whether or not her Vitara would have been able to do it.

I know that if I am in the position to be driving 50+k performance vehicles when I have kids on their learners, I will always let them have a drive... maybe not often, but at least to let them have as much experience before they are out without me watching over them...

Nick I didn't say forever. I would find it highly doubtful that she would think that she can't handle driving a car like that and in the long run wont ever have any confidence in driving car. Also I wasn't being specific to females, I would have the same opinion of a male 16 year old.

Don't take me out of context.

We have to many wrecked cars in our yard with a P in the window of Falcons and Commodores and in Vic you have to be 18!

Outbackjack · 15-11-2006, 10:42 AM

I just thought of something..... Can a "P" plate driver drive a 5.4 litre car in QLD.... I know that in the NT it is no problem.....

XA Coupsta · 15-11-2006, 10:46 AM

Seems you've opened your mouth and you have to let her drive dont you!

Personally I wouldnt.

She honestly isnt going to be experienced enough. End of story.

You can tell her about roos, etc, etc. What happens if a tyre blows or choose any other random emergency situation - she does not have time behind the wheel to understand how a car will handle in those situations.

I dont want to read/hear about you and your family on the nightly news Outbackjack - nor that of any other innocent on the road that might get tangled up in it.

Seems like Dad is going to have to do some backpeddalling..........

Poetic Justice · 15-11-2006, 10:46 AM

A P plater can drive whatever they please in QLD...

At the end of the day, the more experience a learner gets the better, and we all know that!

4.9 EF Futura · 15-11-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

She knows that she will never be allowed to drive the car by herself, but you guys are right, she can learn heaps sitting next to me.....

She may never be allowed to drive the XR by herself, but within a few years... she'll have a job, she's gonna have a lot more choice and (lol, within limitations) can buy any car she feels like buying. XR8 prob be a good price for someone in their early twenties within a few years as well...

Your daughter driving some sort of "performance" car is inevitible. Perhaps you'll sleep (a bit) easier at night if you know you've 'shown her the ropes' in such a vehicle.

Perana · 15-11-2006, 10:58 AM

I'd give her a go at it.. People that say she is too inexperienced.. how exactly does she get experience at this sort of driving without doing it! And she's much better off doing it while your in the seat beside her..

I'd much rather see an inexperienced L-Plater get experience (and a bit of confidence!) driving on the open road than in the city...

As far as it being an XR8.. Any smaller car these days can go fast enough to kill you! (and in fact in most cases would do it a lot easier too)

bob^ · 15-11-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DOC

No offence taken, good open debate on the forum can only be a good thing, and your right after that happened there was a lot of debate. and i also agree with it could have been any car.

i also think each car handles diferent / brakes diferent / steers diferent etc.

and the very first time in a car up the speed limits on the highway and having to find out in a hurry how it brakes / steers in an emergancy or handles normally, is just not my call for a brand new driver that has not even driven that car around the block.

Mate im no prude my daughter has driven my xr8's but i did not say to her here you go first drive and guess what we will fire it down the highway.

I understand what you mean now, and yes I agree. But we don't know if she had driven that car a number of times previously.
I'd be letting the daughter drive the car on some quiet roads to familiarise herself with it before you pack the family in. I know even though I had my license for 3 years when I got my BA, took a while to get used to.

Uni · 15-11-2006, 11:52 AM

three cheers for reading the whole thread ;)

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

She drives well but thus far has only driven our fiesta or her vitara.

there's only one way she's going to learn how to drive on the open road, you've made the right choice

Uni/.

Perana · 15-11-2006, 12:07 PM

I assumed she was going to be on L's.. well seeing she's on P's definately let her drive..

pauljh74 · 15-11-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by snortycorty

I learnt to drive in my dads brand spanker BA xr6 (when they very first came out) and everyone thought he was MAD. And now he has his BA xr8, and my 16 year old brother learns to drive in that. (and so did i for a few weeks) Everyone whispers to me "oh my god, if i had a car like that I'd never let my kid drive it"
But IMO it's dads choice. He has faith in us kids!

As for letting your daughter drive a long distance, I think thats a great idea! On my L's the longest I had driven in one go was just over half an hour. On my first long trip by myself I was a bit uncomfortable and not sure how I'd handle it.

If you feel comfortable letting your daughter drive your car, then she is going to give a better performance. If your a bit nervy etc she is going to be able to tell and that is not going to be any help to her, trust me on that!

I think it's better to teach people to drive in a lower powered manual car. An XR8 you can leave it in a gear and use the engine to get you going. A buzzbox you have to downshift - more gearshifting means more practice. If there isn't another car available, then use the XR8.

Trevor 57 · 15-11-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

last time i looked a high stress was instant ( or can be, a car coming at you on the wrong side ? anything ), and theres no time to teach, it hapens or it does not, were talking about a brand new out of the blocks first time driver arn't we ? . . .

. . . and i will stand by if it is a fresh driver more practice first, but will be your call.

Is that what I said, you hightlighte part of my quote go back and read the rest of the sentence.

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Trevor 57 · 15-11-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bob^

No offense but what a load of bull. I remember the big fuss(with regards to L platers and high powered cars) after the L plater did that in the HSV. The power of the car wouldn't come into play there. That could happen in any car.

Absolutely spot on Bob, in fact in my post where I refered to Outback teaching his daughter to steer off the road then back on again is in reference to what happened to that young girl (and her family), she dropped the 2 left wheels off into the gravel then over-corrected the car and it slid into the path of a small truck.

But long before this I tought heaps of kids to this, as well as my own 4 kids. They learn not to panic when and if that happens. it is a common cause of accidents with young people, not necessarily fatals, but certainly roll-overs.

Trevor 57 · 15-11-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

i didn't think it was legal for a L plater to drive a vehicle whilst the instructor is intoxicated above the legal limit?

legality aside, yes your kids would have a good job driving their dad home after they have too many :P

It is a legal requirement in Victoria for an accompanying driver to be under .05, I am not sure about other States.