Australian fuel efficiency standards aimed at cutting petrol bills, 'catching up' with US

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by kypez

Pick a team. On one thread you don't like that we don't have Falcon Ute/Terri and lament the cost of these new cars and now want to vote in the people that saw to their (Ford/Holden) demise?!

Ford made the decision to leave under Labor.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Ford made the decision to leave under Labor.

Yep. And the libs made sure Holden and Toyota followed suit and did nothing to try save the industry

[smoo]

Originally Posted by kypez

Pick a team. On one thread you don't like that we don't have Falcon Ute/Terri and lament the cost of these new cars and now want to vote in the people that saw to their (Ford/Holden) demise?!

The demise wasn’t created within one term.
Go back to the start with Whitlam and the Lima Declaration.

[simon varley]

interestingly the US equivalent of this is based on fuel consumption, not CO2 emissions.

Light truck (Ranger) target for 2025 is 38.31 US mpg which works out at 6.1 l/100

yeah, good luck with that! that's about what my 1.5 focus achieves

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by smoo

The demise wasn’t created within one term.
Go back to the start with Whitlam and the Lima Declaration.

Thanks for mentioning this, Whitlam’s 25% tariff reduction (all in one hit mind you) was insane and nonsensical. Driven by ideological spite towards the US auto companies, despite them employing thousands of Australians?

Not to mention the Button Car Plan which allowed for the demise of Nissan, Ford Eagle Farm, Homebush etc? And that was under a far more moderate Labor give than the one we have now.

Not a chance Holden was going to stay with Ford gone.

[kevino]

Yeah
It’s a carbon tax .. sorry policy
It’s not a fuel efficiency policy

My Puma does 6.7 ltrs/ 100 km almost all short km urban trips
It’s drops way down on freeway trips but they are one every 14 days

[Franco Cozzo]

Who is looking forward to their new form of transport when old shitboxes get taken off the road, as the next step of these schemes?



This bad boy is $4200 ride away,

Except I weigh more than the scooter does so it'll probably only do 30km/h and use more fuel than my old shitbox V8 Caprice

Might join the rest of the riders of these things and do uber eats deliveries in Melbourne CBD.

Originally Posted by kypez

Pick a team. On one thread you don't like that we don't have Falcon Ute/Terri and lament the cost of these new cars and now want to vote in the people that saw to their (Ford/Holden) demise?!

Pick the only sensible choice at the ballot box - vote 1 Franco

[kypez]

Originally Posted by smoo

The demise wasn’t created within one term.

Go back to the start with Whitlam and the Lima Declaration.

No, it wasn't but calling them out (Hockey) didn't help.

Anyway, my point was more that the policies aren't crazy and nothing new in the world. Don't know why we resist change even when it's a good thing. Getting more efficient cars is a good thing for the market.

Protectionist industries are inefficient. That said, the world is changing and with the numerous unequal FTAs signed, protectionist can be good. But that's to fix a problem signing poor FTAs.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Who is looking forward to their new form of transport when old shitboxes get taken off the road, as the next step of these schemes?

image

This bad boy is $4200 ride away,

Except I weigh more than the scooter does so it'll probably only do 30km/h and use more fuel than my old shitbox V8 Caprice

Might join the rest of the riders of these things and do uber eats deliveries in Melbourne CBD.



Pick the only sensible choice at the ballot box - vote 1 Franco

Repeat post from yesterday
Your point is valid
This new carbon tax will make cars unafFORDable for the average Franco

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

So I am better of buying cars from my childhood and being a dinosaur...cool.

Thats nothing new, its been like that for 8 years now

[Sprintey]

Australians love a good CAFE.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Imagine being useless flogs like Stellantis, paying out the *** for carbon credits from Tesla

The hot poker has led them to develop stuff like this, at 3.2L/100km

https://www.carexpert.com.au/jeep/gr...v-4x4-38437d31

disclaimer:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021...all-fire-risk/

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

The hot poker has led them to develop stuff like this, at 3.2L/100km



https://www.carexpert.com.au/jeep/gr...v-4x4-38437d31



disclaimer:



https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021...all-fire-risk/

For the first 100 kms

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Polyal

So I am better of buying cars from my childhood and being a dinosaur...cool.

This is a really good point. It's the end of an era and I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel to find interest in many new cars for sale. Perhaps Cuba is right?!

Edit: just had a great conversation with the Mrs. She says, in that case, she will upgrade to a Valiant AP5, as she's always loved them. Done.

For me, I've been wondering what to upgrade to for some time, and next to nothing new has appealed, so this is like a weight off the mind. No going to a dealer and looking around inside & all that experience... I can upgrade to whatever I like from whatever era I like. I'm thinking a RR Classic with the 3.9V8, so much character in that chassis - and so much capability. Maybe add an XW wagon to the fleet, or an HR Prem. Some of those are going for new car money, ha. More recently I like last petrol AWD Territories, and VF Calais wagon.

Time to stockpile XG vans for the business lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmpEeJ16fk

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by kypez

For the first 100 kms

Before or after the fire?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

This is a really good point. It's the end of an era and I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel to find interest in many new cars for sale. Perhaps Cuba is right?!



Edit: just had a great conversation with the Mrs. She says, in that case, she will upgrade to a Valiant AP5, as she's always loved them. Done.



For me, I've been wondering what to upgrade to for some time, and next to nothing new has appealed, so this is like a weight off the mind. No going to a dealer and looking around inside & all that experience... I can upgrade to whatever I like from whatever era I like. I'm thinking a RR Classic with the 3.9V8, so much character in that chassis - and so much capability. Maybe add an XW wagon to the fleet, or an HR Prem. Some of those are going for new car money, ha. More recently I like last petrol AWD Territories, and VF Calais wagon.



Time to stockpile XG vans for the business lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmpEeJ16fk

As much as I'm a Ford fan, the VF2 is a bloody good car. A lot of the features would keep it current even today.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by kypez

As much as I'm a Ford fan, the VF2 is a bloody good car. A lot of the features would keep it current even today.

Yep totally. In my case I'd look for a nicely kept VF1 MY14 with the E85 option and then run E85 to nix most of the fossil fuel. Doing so, the whole house and transport energy would then be almost totally non-evil. Perhaps in future brew some E100 myself, but that is a series of hoops with govco, approved spaces and paying a 10K or so bond... guess I miss the chem lab...

Gradual change. Got the Terry on E10 now...

[Sprintey]

Getting a bit spicier with Mazda's reply to the proposed legislation:

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-for-subsidies

As noted in other thread, Mazda have kept reasonably affordable cars in decent supply recently. Do they use too much juice? Or just no hybrid/electric strategy at present?

[Franco Cozzo]

Teals and Greens voters

[Hemihunter]

did i hear correctly that said Government will now introduce a new Tax on Hybrid Vehicle's ? WTF

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

did i hear correctly that said Government will now introduce a new Tax on Hybrid Vehicle's ? WTF

No. That was Victoria and it was removed as states can't collect a tax that was replacing a federal tax.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by jgmdat

Simon Holmes a Court would be one of this country's biggest ****ers.

Yep, and Mike Hudema. What’s their financial gain pushing these proposed measures, as nothing these lot do is without financial benefit.

This bodes very poorly for Ford, with 80% (approximately) of their sales in Australia being Ranger and Everest. I wonder how long Ford US decide to pull the plug on Australia’s market.

The government want to push the citizenry to drive the cheap, dangerous junk coming out of China (think BYD).

Interesting times ahead. About people got off their backsides and told their local MP’s they don’t support a measure forced in such a short time frame.

[real time]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

did i hear correctly that said Government will now introduce a new Tax on Hybrid Vehicle's ? WTF

I'm hearing that the tax will apply if the hybrid car's value is more than 75k

[Hemihunter]

Originally Posted by real time

I'm hearing that the tax will apply if the hybrid car's value is more than 75k

Yes that's what i did hear the other day... I cannot believe they think its a good idea to now Tax Hybrids....

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by real time

I'm hearing that the tax will apply if the hybrid car's value is more than 75k

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0231213-p5er6e

Well it’s not technically a “new” tax just an adjustment on existing LCT…but in practice it really is a new tax on hybrid vehicles.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by real time

I'm hearing that the tax will apply if the hybrid car's value is more than 75k

That's the LCT because efficiency standards have been tightened to 3.5 litres/100 down from the exemption of up to 7 litres/100.

Hybrids aren't being taxed. Seriously, let go of the fake rhetoric

[Hemihunter]

Originally Posted by kypez

That's the LCT because efficiency standards have been tightened to 3.5 litres/100 down from the exemption of up to 7 litres/100.

Hybrids aren't being taxed. Seriously, let go of the fake rhetoric

Wow, its not Rhetoric mate. it was a serious question. and as explained its a LCT ..which to me is on old system with a new tax. But you can now beat on feel free.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Hemihunter

Wow, its not Rhetoric mate. it was a serious question. and as explained its a LCT ..which to me is on old system with a new tax. But you can now beat on feel free.

It was asked before as well. Sorry, my comment wasn't directed at you specifically. People don't read enough and jump to conclusions too quickly.

It's been a long time since the definition of fuel efficient vehicle was looked at and it's good that it has been adjusted to keep up with the technology available in the market.

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by kypez

It's been a long time since the definition of fuel efficient vehicle was looked at and it's good that it has been adjusted to keep up with the technology available in the market.

Do you feel the same way about income tax brackets?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by ToryMikey

Do you feel the same way about income tax brackets?

Respectfully, For what I make, it's made no difference in my life.