Why Ford sells the parts so expensive?

[trippytaka]

The whole business model of car manufacturers relies on the sale of spare parts. Interestingly, it's one of the reasons believed to be holding back the move to electric cars - the lack of moving parts is expected to see a reduction in the parts industry revenue.

[sd1800]

Originally Posted by Ohio XB

If you are only producing about 56,000 Falcons of various models, and then break down unique parts to the various models, yeah, I would imagine that the parts would be expensive.

Here in the US a car selling only 56,000 units would be slated for removal from the line-up because it would not be cost effective. Yeah, economy of scale has to be a huge factor for Ford of Australia.


Steve

Slightly off topic Steve but I was just reading you Interceptor project link and couldn't help but noticing re Mad Max "Also all the voices in the film had been dubbed over with American actor's voices"

We don't dub over Die Hard with Australian actors voices?? As far as i knew both Australians and Amercians speak english? Sorry I just find that quite amusing. :

[Fled74]

European Ford parts prices are ridiculous as well. It's cheaper to order from FordPartsUK than to go to a local dealer.

[AWD Chaser]

When the tyre place smashed a trailer into the back of my 1 week old Kia, I expected the worst... but on the invoice from the smash repairers it quoted $250 for the rear bar (parts (unpainted) only).

I also went to Holden to price a new front bar for the HSV Senator (VX) and I nearly fell off my chair - $3000 unpainted!

[irlewy86]

Some of the blame has to lie with Ford's TPL provider.

When the RTV met Skipp the front bar was about $1200. There were three parts to it though.

[Polyal]

HOLY CRAP @ that GTR thread, the maintence costs on those cars seem to get crazier with every thread I see.

In Ford land, I was at FTG yesterday and a FG F6 bumper in Octane was $2500...damn!

[Jeddak]

Funny...I have been a part of the trade for more than thirty years now and this always come up ...the cost of parts vs the cost of the car

when the HQ Holden was first released, the cost of the car "over the counter" in parts (from memory it was about 21 grand ),was three times the cost of the car "drive away" ..and then you had to build and paint it .

So ..the only thing that has changed is the numbers( they have gotten bigger!)

I guess that if you want the part bad enough, you will pay we all do.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Jeddak

Funny...I have been a part of the trade for more than thirty years now and this always come up ...the cost of parts vs the cost of the car

when the HQ Holden was first released, the cost of the car "over the counter" in parts (from memory it was about 21 grand ),was three times the cost of the car "drive away" ..and then you had to build and paint it .

So ..the only thing that has changed is the numbers( they have gotten bigger!)

I guess that if you want the part bad enough, you will pay we all do.

1/3rd = 7k? Damn expensive HQ?... Wasn't a HO only around $5200? (Same era)
I DO get your point though

[Polyal]

Although with parts it always helps to know people in the trade, makes it less painful.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Although with parts it always helps to know people in the trade, makes it less painful.

And like everything, shop smart... reco parts etc where you can I guess.

[Airmon]

One of the reasons its good to have insurance! You would think that the majority of major parts sales (panels etc.) would be to insurance companies through body shops. They also have to maintain the exclusivity of a product.
A repo XT bar will only set you back about $120

[MAD]

So I guess we blame Ford and Holden for the high price of insurance then, and not the insurers?

I remember getting a gag quote for a T5 from Ford a while back, it was around $6k from memory.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Airmon

One of the reasons its good to have insurance! You would think that the majority of major parts sales (panels etc.) would be to insurance companies through body shops. They also have to maintain the exclusivity of a product.
A repo XT bar will only set you back about $120

Unfortunately its not always guaranteed and the shonky ones will order new ones in, but 2nd hand and then sell off the new ones.

[DJL351]

Blah blah blah - cry winge cry.

As I used to say to the clowns that came to my counter - "If you can make one cheaper, go for it! And if it turns out any good, we'll buy from you"
(of course I also mentioned it had to pass all ADRs etc too)

[MAD]

It's not the cost to make the product that is the problem, it's the mark-up that is applied to it.

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[swanee]

Originally Posted by MAD

It's not the cost to make the product that is the problem, it's the mark-up that is applied to it.

Of course it is... [/sacasm]

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MAD

It's not the cost to make the product that is the problem, it's the mark-up that is applied to it.

Its both... especially once models get a few years old..
The re tooling costs for short runs are expensive. Im not suggesting its the only reason, but that, including warehousing costs, handling costs, inventory management, interest rates etc all add to the end price result..

[matty88]

Ford wanted $350 for a new handbrake cable for my TX3, it's absolutely absurd

[ch33z1l]

Originally Posted by Kaan

Some of my mates told me holden is worst than Ford.

Friend of mine paid $1800 for a genuine vx ss front/rear bar and side skirts unpainted.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by dom_105

Economies of scale, I'd imagine, would probably have something to do with it.

Then the same argument would apply to the overall cost of the car... which would make the Falcon a $100k car.

In recent years, Ford have really had to fight hard on price to get people into their cars, not to mention production volumes falling. To make up the profit, they gouge you on parts instead, because how many people compare parts prices when shopping for a new car? But once you're in one, its a little late to haggle on parts.

[4Vman]

Think of it this way guys... if Ford or Holden were posting HUGE profits you could rightly question either 1) the cost of the car or 2) the cost of the spares...

Clearly this isn't the case is it....

So either the cars or spares are going out at a loss, or one is subsidising the other.............

[swanee]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its both... especially once models get a few years old..
The re tooling costs for short runs are expensive. Im not suggesting its the only reason, but that, including warehousing costs, handling costs, inventory management, interest rates etc all add to the end price result..

Must also take into consideration that with the GFC, some parts suppliers have also ceased production. Making Ford to source alternate suppliers on some parts (if at all) and this sometimes may include an increase in the price, or if lucky a decrease in price.

[MAD]

You cant deny that the mark-up of some items are way over the top. Especially when you look at XR and FPV prices. Yeah its model protection... but they could just as easily ask for a VIN number.

Why is it that Ford spares are often more expensive than getting the same part from Repco, Autobarn, Bursons, R&E Auto, etc? Most spare parts carry a 12 month warranty.
But then some items seem more than reasonable, a bargain if you will.... example: EL GT Gear boot, up until its NLA status were available for under $50.

[Falcon SXR8]

Went to ford to get a couple of light bulbs for my climate display and they wanted $25 each, long story short got them for $3 each at local electrician

[gocruzin]

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[290v]

I use to have XF fairmont Ghia the centre air vent oscillated mine stopped one day the motor went so i priced a new one from Fords $600 i found one in the wreckers for $100

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by MAD

You cant deny that the mark-up of some items are way over the top. Especially when you look at XR and FPV prices. Yeah its model protection... but they could just as easily ask for a VIN number.

That was tried for a while; during the EL GT, through to the AU T Series cars. Unfortunately some dealers decided that they could make a buck or three by doing 'deals' where VINs from unsold cars etc were used to purchase parts from Ford/Tickford.

Originally Posted by MAD

Why is it that Ford spares are often more expensive than getting the same part from Repco, Autobarn, Bursons, R&E Auto, etc?

Same part!?!?! Are you sure?
Why do I pay $350 for a pair of name brand sunglasses from XYZ down the road, when 'the same ones' can be picked up from East Asia for less than half?

[DJR-351]

Hmmm....might be time to spend a lazy $100k on spare Ford/FPV parts and sit on them for 10/20/30 years, you know, for them future collectable's...."For Sale Genuine NOS Blah Blah Blah"....:

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MAD

Why is it that Ford spares are often more expensive than getting the same part from Repco, Autobarn, Bursons, R&E Auto, etc? Most spare parts carry a 12 month warranty.
But then some items seem more than reasonable, a bargain if you will.... example: EL GT Gear boot, up until its NLA status were available for under $50.

I didnt realise those places sold GENUINE Ford spare parts...