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24-10-2005, 11:44 PM | #31 | ||
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I personally don't see how paying a membership fee will get rid of people who do burnouts on cruises. However i'm all for the paid membership thing, as soon as the club gets recognised by CAMS ;)
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25-10-2005, 12:09 AM | #32 | ||
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im a relatively new member to eseries although i have been reading through the eseries forums for a long time. What attracted me to become a proper member was the large cruises and impressive number of different cars and heaps of active member who go to these cruises. I fear that with this introduction of paid membership the numbers of members and cruise numbers will dwindle. but what does my opinion matter :
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25-10-2005, 12:13 AM | #33 | ||
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I vote for Johns idea. I've noticed that people act up mostly on our friday night cruises etc, and we rarely get much "hooning" on Sunday afternoon cruises. My suggestion is that Sunday cruises can be free for all, and paid membership gets access to the more frequent friday/saturday night cruises.
One main reason I believe this would work is that we now get those people who go out on a friday night for a bit of spirited driving attendending our cruises, as they are basically just driving around looking for something to do. Making people pay for a night cruise will help sift out the trouble makers We then make our Sunday afternoon cruises free as generally we are less likely attract the minority that like to cause trouble, and will give those unpaying members that are tuely interested in the club a chance to attend. Hope that made sense :P That's my suggestion
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25-10-2005, 01:40 AM | #34 | ||
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I think it should stay how it is. Also Jack it would be good if you could actually make it to meets to get a real perspective of what goes on. Obviously I seem to be the minority going by the responses in this thread thus far, but it's just my opinion.
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25-10-2005, 01:41 AM | #35 | ||
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I feel club numbers will dwindle with paid membership!
Also what sort of $$$ are we talking here as a rough guide?? |
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25-10-2005, 01:45 AM | #36 | |||
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25-10-2005, 01:49 AM | #37 | |||
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25-10-2005, 02:05 AM | #38 | ||
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im not a member but who would the fee be paid to and what would it go towards? who has a say that it is going towards something worth while and benifits everybody?
at the end of the day, most people have a mobile phone so pretty much anyone that is breaking the law could have their rego taken down and rang through to the police. if the club is as responsible as it claims, then the police should know what is going on before it starts. the police should also be aware that whilst there are members on the cruise, no unruley behavior will be permitted and will be directly reported to them (the police). it is then up to the police to do something about it. |
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25-10-2005, 09:26 AM | #39 | ||
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I think I'll modify my vote now... Rymers' addition to John's idea gets my new vote.
Bring on a Sunday arvo cruise! I only work in the mornings so it'd be the best of both worlds for me :P How about inviting an off-duty policeman who is a car enthusiast/forum member along? They'd be able to remember any d1ckhead drivers & their cars (if anyone plays up) so that next time they're on duty, they can nab 'em or at least make life difficult for them. -Dave- |
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25-10-2005, 09:57 AM | #40 | ||
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Im liking both Johns and Rmyers ideas. Paid membership with benefits for paid members only.
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25-10-2005, 10:29 AM | #41 | ||
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I think the paid membership that gets you subsidised entry and/or reserved spots (i.e car shows, drag days, dyno days, etc) on free to all events, and exclusive invites to some member only activities, that way membership can still be high, everyone is welcome as there would still be alot free to all events (with hooning laws in place), and member only events could be like a cruise and free BBQ or something, of course friends/family could be invited, but would have to pay a fee, and someone will have to vouch for them and be responsible for their actions.
Thats my thoughts
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25-10-2005, 10:42 AM | #42 | ||
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I think the ideas of EFFalcon and Rmyers stand strongly, and paid membership does have it's benefits.
Paid membership would mean organised food and drink etc. on big cruises too. Membership wont stop hooning though...The idea of a members numberplate register would help. If members had club cards with details on them (and plate rego) then there could be a manned sign in and the 'extras' that show up would be zoned out much easier.
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25-10-2005, 11:12 AM | #43 | |||
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OK, so i assume paid membership = registered club?
If this is the case then I only have two words: Vicarious liability Quote:
Followed by another word to mitigate the risk of vicarious liability: indemnity. I'd suggest the club takes the kiss approach - keep it simple. We have cruise organisers, yes? I would think that if the cruise organiser deems a member's behaviour unacceptable - he tells them politely to f*** off. If the driver in question disagrees with this opinion, then we have 20 or so club members who are more-then-likely willing to assist the cruise organiser in requesting the offending driver to leave and not to bother returning. You cant regulate against stupidity - enforcement is your best option. Tell em to shove it up their jumper and report the plate to the authorities. You might get the occasional idiot but if the message gets out "dont screw around on our cruises" then you're gonna get the result you are looking for. I would think that common sense is surely a preferable approach as opposed to checks and balances - the effectiveness of which would be questionable. On the negative - possibly even be detremental to the club? I hate to be the kind of person to shoot down ideas, but member only cruises for example - from time to time i'm getting by on the bones of my a$$ and im sure plenty of other e-series members do as well - if there's a handful of 'good apples' who miss out on a cruise because they were a bit short to pay their subs for whatever reason - well that is going to detract from the cruise.
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25-10-2005, 11:29 AM | #44 | ||
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Ita a hard one.
Paid membership works in theory, but I think that's as far as it will go. My concern is new people wanting to check out the club. What happens to them when it comes to joining a cruise? I know a few E-series blokes, but I'm yet to go on a E-series cruise. There is no way I'd get in a strangers car, simply because I wouldn't be 'allowed' to come on the cruise in my own car. And even if I did, does said stranger want 2 kids in the back of their pride making a big mess with the Wiggles blaring? Paid membership only cruises sound good, but surely the idea of the club is to spread the word and get new people along. I wouldnt fork out money going into something blindfolded, if ya get where I'm trying to go with this? :yeees: I think not. There must be a better way. I don't know what it is, I'm racking my brain trying to think of a way to make the club better, but I'm just lost. I like the idea of getting details at a first meet point, and I also like the idea of not posting the specifics about a cruise. Maybe just something like "Bunnings @ 7pm. You will then be given an intinery upon a gold coin donation" Ah look, I really do not know what the answer is. There are drivers on ego trips no matter where you go. I think the key is to eliminate them from the club, somehow. |
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25-10-2005, 12:57 PM | #45 | ||||||||||||||
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For this reason, I feel that the paid membership would apply only to Victoria until we build up elsewhere, as anyone in, say, Northern Territory paying full fees would get absolutely nothing to show for it. Quote:
As E series cars become older and rarer, only the true enthusiasts will remain. In theory, over the long term we would end up a similar niche to the various '70s Falcon Clubs or the P76 Clubs. I hope I have addressed every point. There was a time, before the Club reached the size it has, that I had long-time members begging me to move in this direction, but I was eager to focus on expanding our size. Now the downside of this has hit the fan. Of course I am far from having any form of conclusive decision, but I would like to take all feedback into account in doing so. Not everyone will be satisfied with decision when it comes, but it is the long-term interests of the Club's most dedicated members that I am personally focused on. |
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25-10-2005, 01:14 PM | #46 | ||
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i vote u all pitch in for the gozzas turbo fund
i will personaly see to it that all who donate shall become matyrs in my afterlife kingdom but seriously i don't have an opinion...im happy to go with the flow |
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25-10-2005, 01:46 PM | #47 | |||
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i havn't really seen any issues with cruises that i've been on, apart from the occassional idiot but nothing that wasn't taken care of. so yeah i'm not fussed at all, whatever is decided i'm happy to go along with, everyone seems to have good ideas. but i do agree trouty you have to get out to more cruises... i don't think you really exist, never seen you :P |
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25-10-2005, 02:08 PM | #48 | |||
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So this wont affect the other states as much really ! ??????
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25-10-2005, 02:18 PM | #49 | ||
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As i also am not a member as yet, i dont know if my opinion is warranted , but just need to raise one question in interest.
As a sporting car club, would'nt you need to adhear to the same rules as any other club, that is, president,secretary,treasurer,vice, and board directors. In short terms the compliance and goverance laws would be asking these people to be liable for all ethics of the club and its members. I sit on the board of directors at the RSL and the bowling club, and if these rules apply to this new formed club, a bit more homework may need to be done. In saying this, membership also brings disiplinary powers to you that are the same as everyday clubs ltd , very usefull if needed to be enforced. a club constitution is written and amendments added and everybody is inducted to read and understand the rules, if broken , you allready know what the action is? sport and rec has a website that assists new clubs starting up.
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25-10-2005, 02:23 PM | #50 | ||
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i think everyone has good points here, ill add my 2 cents
i think johns idea is verygood, a members area only, and cruises, to help the concerns stevo's question, the regulars who pay, get the benefits such as discounts, the members section etc, if someone wants to come to a cruise who is not a member, they must tell a mod, eg john, on the forums or on the night, they must give rego/liscence numbers, and sign a form saying they are not a member of the club, and they tak responsibilty for their own actions, and say like a gold coin donations, so here the paid members have the advantage of not filling out these details every time and having to request to come. this way people who are not members can see what it is like on our cruises, and trouty is right, last cruise, i left early because i did not want cops barreling me cos of other people. and i know a few members that are in the same boat EDIT: sorry forgot to add something, with these guests having to give their details they will know we mean business, and if they stuff their details will be handed to police, and they being banned
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25-10-2005, 02:57 PM | #51 | ||
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and if a non member tags along with the cruise and refuses to give details and doesnt play up what are you gonna do ????
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25-10-2005, 03:10 PM | #52 | ||
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ok well that is open to disscussion
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25-10-2005, 03:14 PM | #53 | ||
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i'll do a burnout on their skull.
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25-10-2005, 03:23 PM | #54 | |||
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25-10-2005, 03:24 PM | #55 | |||
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EDIT: the majority of our cars up here dont have the club stickers either. so we arent misrepresenting the club. |
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25-10-2005, 04:00 PM | #56 | ||||
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25-10-2005, 06:20 PM | #57 | |||
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Anyway, back on topic, I agree with Martin's (4.9 EF Futura) post, I don't think paid membership will stop anything that's trying to be adressed. Won't the club also at least be registered as a business, with an ABN, if it accepts any payments?
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26-10-2005, 02:34 AM | #58 | ||
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no seriously guys you cant really stop random people from coming nor can you tell them to leave as u haven't hired out "bunnings carpark" for private use
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26-10-2005, 11:10 AM | #59 | |||
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26-10-2005, 12:09 PM | #60 | ||
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my point is what if you didn't do anything illegal??? and you tagged along you cant report them to the cops coz they aren't doing anything illegal
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