Do You Think Freak Cars Are Real?

[67RCE]

My ED XR6, that with an exhaust and extractors puts out 140rwkw and ran a 14.9, smoke_rubbers EF GLi with extractors and exhaust put out 130rwkw and ran a 15.0. I call these freak cars, especially smoke's

[BLKPHN]

Originally Posted by XR6TickfordBoy

Biggest freak car ive seen is ORSEMEB's car, EB XR6 with exhaust and it put out like 140rwkw! That car made me believe in freak cars. He could give more detail, but my EL XR6 would need a chip and a cam ontop of what ive got to get that sort of figure.

ORSMEB's car is a freak, it does pull mighty hard for a stockish EB, however it was used for most of its life on hwy km. so maybee that myth is true. its might also have somthing to do with how well maintained it is.

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

I class freak cars in the same category as ricers !

They are more the imagination of their owners and usually no idea freinds who can tell a story over and over again untill eventually the car is whooping the Mclaren F1 they come across just the other day !

Dont get me wrong , I'm not putting anyone down here , But I had a bloke try to race me once , So I played up to him, Reved my car , and when the lights went green , he took off in his shyte box VC . I hardly even tried and stayed just a little behind and didnt even break the speed limit ! Months later some drugged out freak at a party is telling his mates and pointing me out that his mates stock 202 VC shyte box gave my 351 XD a sound flogging cause the VC is complete freak of a car . Funny how I said Id meet him at the drags with a 302 in my car he couldnt , because they killed that engine and the new one is a clunker !

Yep I rest my case !

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by ThoR_

I know Dogstar is modded. But its not opened so to speak. Theres no big cams in it or anything. For bolt ont mods and tuning a 13.8 is a little bit ab normal? And its auto

The key to a good 1/4 mile time is a good 60ft time. Diff gears, Hi-stall converter and slicks certainly play a major part in that.

[Hardtopxb]

A Casper in the machine,perhaps?.

[Noddy]

Some on the forum will remember Grunters 200kw AU2 XR8. It was definitely not a Friday car, it was running this setup from an early age, Vortech V-2 Supercharger kit @ 10psi - water injection - Upgraded fuel system, Pacemaker extractors - D&T Stainless Exhaust System with Hi Flow cats - K&N Filter - Unichip and non intercooled.
It made 250rwkw in this state of tune and was a daily driver that had done dozens of passes at willowbank. You have to remember, back then 250rwkws were very healthy numbers.

When it went through its final phase before being sold (heads and cam) it pumped out 322rwkw (432rwhp). This was on a stock windsor bottom end with a T5 behind it and the car had done 80 and 100,000klms(from memory). It was running mid 12's in street trim, road rubber and no traction. The car was returned to std spec before being sold so there's someone’s out there driving this car now none the wiser.

[Falcon SXR8]

I think they exist as my brother has a stock auto eb xr8 I had an auto ebxr8 with 3:45 diff gears 1:7 roller rockers edelbrock performer intake extractors full exhaust and a few other goodies and my brother just blew me to the weeds you should have seen the look on my face as he flew past. And it still gives my manual 220 xr8 a run for its money. It is stock and he isn't game to modify it as he is abit worried about wrecking whatever mojo it has LOL.

[Vdouw]

I had an AU that i thought was a freak as i beat an WRX off the line and down the road till the speed limiter kicked in. At the next set of lights the guy was asking me what mods i was running ... i had none. Turns out the idiot can't drive. I have only ever owned autos and do have a manual licence to save face a bit lol but its the driver that makes the difference and gets the potential out of the car time and time again. Its the random times that some idiot beats another guy thats suposedly has a faster car or does a good time down the quarter that makes a car a freak car... more to the point its more a a fluke car.

[Cooper69S]

dunno if its scientifically proven, but i've heard that a car thats driven hard from brand new will go harder than cars that are run-in softly.
that could partly explain the 'freak' car idea, probably in much the same way as the country car vs city car idea earlier in this thread...

[Addz08]

Originally Posted by Ozfords

Is freak cars like E-Series Falcons that have, never, ever had a head gasket problem...

...don't laugh, they exist. (cue twilight zone music...)

I had an EL that made it to 295,000 before it needed a Head Gasket, started leakin out the side under the exhaust..

[Big Daz]

I have a '94 ED Fairmont Ghia, 312000, head untouched, my old man has a '93 Dual fuel Futura 500000+ K's head untouched... So they are out there...

[manny_papa]

i'd like to think that my car is a freak car :P

i think its more to do with the owner and how the car was run in? i mean my mums festiva goes hard only because i helped running her in

[ratter]

Originally Posted by ThoR_

Still one of the fastest cars ive been in was a ex pursuit VT gave me a very saw neck. was only a 6

All cop Holden pursuit cars are V8 and have been since day 1 in Vic

[mcflux]

I'd say your sore neck would be from the shitty IRS neg-camber setup...

[rns-11z]

Well, not a ford, but my pulsar sss ran a 14.8 @ 9*mph with just an exhaust, advanced timing and cai. At the time people were struggling to run low 15s.


h.

[ThoR_]

Originally Posted by ratter

All cop Holden pursuit cars are V8 and have been since day 1 in Vic

im in W.A

[ThoR_]

Originally Posted by rns-11z

Well, not a ford, but my pulsar sss ran a 14.8 @ 9*mph with just an exhaust, advanced timing and cai. At the time people were struggling to run low 15s.


h.

SR20 pulsar kick ***. Some guys are pulling 14.4-14.5 N/A

[eldreamin]

Remember that there will always be stories of freak cars out there. And that on the road there is no proof just like on the strip there really isnt much proof either. Unfortunately it really isnt possible to prove a freak car really is a freak car except on a dyno but even that isnt always accurate unless you put an identical car on the same dyno on the same day in the same conditions.

Then maybe there is a possibility of proving it.

[Doogstar]

I don't think my car is a freak car at all. I never ran it stock, but with exhaust and generic tune it used to run 15.18 (from memory).Stock, it would have run a 15.4 or thereabouts.

It has taken a lot of time, money, research and good advise to turn it into a "freak". I think any BA I6 NA is capable of running the times I am, it is the combo of mods and the setup of the driveline that gets it there.

Each car will be slightly different to the next car on the production line. The tolerances that the manufacturer uses in the assembly vary, some cars are more closer to the ideal tolerances (AFR in particular) and therefore go a bit better. But when you start modding them they start to even out as you are optimising them.

[RACINGdork]

my bfxr6t ute 6auto ran 13.750@103.21 on friday. all it has is a k&n filter

[Bossxr8]

In theory there shouldn't be much difference between cars of the same type, possibly maybe 5 kws either way. There really shouldn't be any more variance than that, but with some cars you may get everything perfectly sized to make more power than the others. Cams may be slightly bigger, the biggest bore size, smoothest ports and a tune that works well with those things. If everything is better that way than the others it will be quicker but its hard to see how it could only be a few tenths difference. The drivers skills are more important.

[sexr6tasy]

I remember hearing a rumor that some ba gt's came out of the factory with 20rwkws diffrence in some cases?

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

I remember hearing a rumor that some ba gt's came out of the factory with 20rwkws diffrence in some cases?

That rumour = lol.

Chassis dyno results are super variable, 20rwkW difference can be seen on the same dyno on the same day with the same unchaged car.

[XR8-260]

I read somewhere that there was significant variation in BA XR6 Turbo power output. Some can put out as little as 160rwkw and others around 200rwkw.

[xt3valve]

Originally Posted by DAZZLER351

If you had bothered to read up on the threads in the B series Forums it is all self explanetary, Oh and it also takes MONEY , Oh Yeah it also requires some ability to pedal a car properly , Do you even know how to change a tyre ? This is the most useless thread i,ve seen in a while !!!

This is the most useless post I have seen in a while.

[FORD3V]

Ill second the above post.

I reckon there are some freak cars out there,mate of mine has an 02 BA XR6T and that had 230rwkw's stock as a rock,that is an extremely high power figure for a stock T, probly around 280-290kw's at the motor.

[ThoR_]

well if thats what you think you dont have to post here :the_finge

[irsa76]

Originally Posted by Cooper69S

dunno if its scientifically proven, but i've heard that a car thats driven hard from brand new will go harder than cars that are run-in softly.
that could partly explain the 'freak' car idea, probably in much the same way as the country car vs city car idea earlier in this thread...

Can't prove it scientifically, but my old 121 was run in hard and after 30,000km did a leak down test and recorded 3% leakdown. My tech teacher had never seen such a low figure. A few weeks later I recorded 3.5L/100km on a fuel economy challenge. It would also top 160km/h, Mazda 121s are speed limited to 150km/h. Only "mod" was removal of the intake snorkel, which probably lost power.

[krisisdog]

Originally Posted by 3

I read somewhere that there was significant variation in BA XR6 Turbo power output. Some can put out as little as 160rwkw and others around 200rwkw.

Yeh its true, but the power figures are a bit iffy.
They tune was *wrong*, and when taken to Ford for a service the computer was reprogrammed to what it was meant to be.
I think it was mainly low-midrange power though - that initial kick when you plant it from only 2000rpm to about 4000rpm.

[data_mine]

One NL Fairlane I know is putting out a freak amount of power, that I had to spend thousands on my EL to match, let along beat. It's unopened as far as the current owner knows (appears to be correct too).