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Old 07-06-2007, 03:46 PM   #31
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Great to see, and the price is good. We were going to get one for the missus but they (Ford) took to long with delivery and the release kept getting pushed back. So we got her a Mini Cooper S. We traded het WP Zetec on it. Fiesta's are great little cars but the mini has a lot more class and quality feel about it, but it should for the money.
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I can tell why people comment like you, you need to compensate for your short commings! as said, its not the size that counts, but the way you use it!
My comment was in response to a big car owner comment... Read back and you wil find it.

Its more a case of over compensation than under-compensation.
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I can see how some big car owners would be scared of something so small that will run rings around them. Ill send a box of tissues to ya. Its not the size that matters its how you use it.
Hmmmm thats a big statement, and when you run out of puff our V8's will be still steaming on and sound much better while doing it, anyway yeah they do look like a nice car, not my cup of tea im not a small car fan, though id prefer a Golf Gti or R32 <- thats a real hatch alothugh much more expensive.
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God I dont think there has even been a thread where Fiesta drivers haven't fired up or someone else has said something stupid.

Awesome little car, and if you want something cheap to run during the week then this is great. Also its better for younger people as the XR5 is turbo'd, and that usually kills alot of young buyers off (change of law and insurance).

I thought the 1.6L was nippy enough, this thing would be a hoot. In a utopia of sorts if have a XR4/5 for during the week and a big thumping 8 for the weekend.

And Thor, mate your post amaze me more every time, show me a production 7 cylinder and then you might have a chance of a XR7 :
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Hmmmm, do you think XR4 drivers are gonna get picked on. I mean all tarted up with the racing stripes and body kit but still only managing a 7.9 0-100kph. Its not exactly brutal now is it. But still the looks are ok and it'd be a fun punt for getting into the city and going to the shops.
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Ford's latest hot-hatch, the Fiesta XR4, will deliver an exciting new sports performance option for small-car enthusiasts when it goes on sale this month.

Engineered in Germany and offering European styling and superb driving dynamics, the feature-laden Fiesta XR4 will have a recommended retail price of $24,990*.

"Fiesta XR4 will become the benchmark in the light car hot-hatch segment, as it boasts a specially modified 2.0-litre engine, numerous safety and sports enhancements and an eye-catching appearance," said President of Ford Australia, Tom Gorman.

"It is a sexy, new and fun to drive car deserving of Ford Australia's XR nomenclature, a badge which promises to deliver a special performance orientated vehicle."

Ford dealers have reported strong pre-sale interest in Fiesta XR4 following its rave reception at the Melbourne International Motor Show.

"Such anticipation is not surprising as Fiesta XR4 is engineered by Ford’s TeamRS, the same organisation responsible for the stunning Focus XR5 Turbo," said Mr Gorman.

"Fiesta XR4 is a vehicle designed with the passionate driving enthusiast in mind and delivers another performance offering to Ford customers. The eagerly awaited new model is sure to become a showroom sell-out."

* excluding dealer delivery and statutory charges

MECHANICAL

Fiesta XR4 is powered by a specially modified version of Ford’s 2.0-litre Duratec 16-valve engine, the same engine that powers the Focus.

"The 2.0-litre Duratec engine characteristics are ideally suited to the performance Fiesta as it combines free-revving performance and impressive low-end torque for excellent all-round driveability," said Director of TeamRS, Jost Capito.

"It delivers a wide spread of torque for flexibility and pulling power."

The engine has undergone performance enhancements which see it develop 110kW at 6000 rpm, compared with the 107kW at 6000 rpm when installed in the Focus. The increased output is the result of an all-new, low-loss intake system and new sports exhaust system developed specifically for the Fiesta XR4.

Maximum torque of 190Nm is increased from 185Nm in the Focus and the torque delivery is of an exceptionally wide spread, with 80 per cent of peak torque available from as low as 1500 rpm and more than 90 per cent from 2200 rpm all the way to 6150 rpm.

Fiesta’s Durashift five-speed manual transmission has been extensively modified to suit its application in the new model and in keeping with its sports-performance underpinnings, Fiesta XR4 is only available with a manual transmission.

A short-throw gearshift is fitted to allow quick, accurate shifting, all the gear ratios have been changed and the first, second and third gearsets have been shot-peened for extra strength.

New variable intake system

The Duratec’s sophisticated variable intake system (VIS) is the secret to the Fiesta XR4's impressive spread of torque. This system uses gas dynamic effects in the engine’s intake system to tune its performance through variable intake runner lengths. This technology improves the gas-dynamics inside the intake system.

The Duratec’s VIS intake manifold achieves this by using butterfly valves in the runners. These valves are operated by a vacuum motor and split the runners into a longer part and a shorter part.

They are closed at low rpm to give a long runner length and are opened at high rpm to join all the runners to a common air chamber, which sets up a standing wave effectively to generate a shorter runner.

The lightweight, all aluminium alloy construction of the Duratec engine is the key to its successful installation in the Fiesta.

The Duratec engine has a gravity sand-cast cylinder block with cast-iron cylinder sleeves cast directly into the block. An aluminium alloy ladder frame structure, which carries the bottom crankshaft bearing races, and a ribbed aluminium oil pan contribute further to stiffness.

The aluminium alloy cylinder head has an asymmetrical four-valves-per-cylinder layout with twin overhead camshafts driven by a silent chain drive.

Tailored installation

In addition to the new exhaust system, considerable amounts of detailed engineering work have been done by TeamRS to install the larger power unit into Fiesta XR4’s engine compartment.

The engine, which is inclined backwards at six degrees, mates to the Durashift transmission with a new clutch housing. Its belt driven auxiliaries have been re-positioned with a rear mounted alternator and front mounted air conditioning pump.

A low inertia flywheel has also been fitted to provide faster throttle response. The Fiesta XR4 exhaust system incorporates a revised catalyst for reduced back pressure, while a great deal of tuning work has been done to give the engine a suitably sporty note.

Rewarding Chassis

The TeamRS target for Fiesta XR4 was to create a fun to drive, rewarding and safe handling car. After nearly two years of development work, on every sort of road from twisty English country lanes to the famous Nürbürgring Nordschleife race track, the team’s engineers feel they have more than achieved their objectives.

The Fiesta range was engineered from the start with a chassis intended to provide high standards of driving quality, inspired by the class-leading dynamics of Focus and augmented with a dash of small car fun.

An exceptionally rigid body structure with ultra-stiff mounting points for the suspension and steering was the solid foundation for the team’s work.

A rigid front sub-frame carries the MacPherson strut front suspension and steering system, while the Fiesta's rear suspension is a twist-beam system that provides accurate control of wheel geometry, has strong lateral stiffness to aid handling and good longitudinal compliance for ride comfort.

All these qualities enabled TeamRS to develop the Fiesta XR4 without the need for any structural changes to the Fiesta’s core suspension layout.

"The latest generation Fiesta is solid as a rock. It was the ideal basis for a performance derivative," said Mr Capito.

"Fiesta XR4 builds on that quality and we believe it extends the strengths of Fiesta as the unquestioned dynamics leader in the segment."

Developed for handling and grip

The XR4’s handling set-up has been tailored to reward the enthusiast driver and at the same time enabling relaxed driving.

"What I am particularly proud of is that we have achieved its high standards of handling and grip while keeping a really good ride quality," said Mr Capito.

The XR4 front springs have also been considerably stiffened from 16.5N/mm of the standard car to 24N/mm, and the dampers have been recalibrated. A revised design for the front suspension knuckle provides more negative camber to the front suspension to generate more front end grip.

The rear springs also have been stiffened, from 15N/mm to 17 N/mm, and the dampers modified to suit the XR4. The twist beam axle has also been stiffened from 520 Nm/degree on the standard Fiesta to 720 Nm/deg.

The steering rack ratio for Fiesta XR4 has been shortened by 10 per cent and the toe-in reduced, to make the steering more agile whilst maintaining high speed stability and controllability.

The front sub-frame has been stiffened to enhance suspension control and to create an even more precise steering feel.

Fiesta brakes have been upgraded to match the performance of Fiesta XR4. The 278mm x 22mm front ventilated discs have been fitted with larger calipers and pads.

At the rear, XR4 also features the first time fitment of disc brakes to any Fiesta model. Additionally, the brake system has been tuned for optimum response, achieving good initial bite followed by firm, progressive stopping performance as a result of fine tuning of the brake booster.

SAFETY

Safety specification in the Fiesta XR4 is in keeping with its performance car credentials – very impressive. This includes driver and front passenger airbags, side curtain airbags and side thorax airbags.

Standard fitment driver aids consist of Dynamic Stability Control (DSC), traction control and ABS with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD). Sports suspension, a passive anti-theft system and remote central locking complete the package.

DSC tuned to complement the XR4

Ford’s Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) and traction control systems are fitted as standard on Fiesta XR4. The DSC system has been specially calibrated by TeamRS chassis engineers, allowing the enthusiast driver to exploit fully the fun to drive nature of XR4 within the safety net of the system parameters, without the feeling of being restricted by the system.

In order to encourage use of the fun to drive aspects of Fiesta XR4 and fully utilise its chassis dynamics, the system’s oversteer control has also evolved. The result is a DSC calibration that, even under track conditions, the performance driver enjoys exploiting.

DSC uses the individual wheel speed sensors of the ABS system together with yaw rate, steering input and lateral acceleration sensors to constantly monitor the car’s dynamic behaviour and compare it to the driver’s inputs.

If the system detects imbalances, it first uses the traction control system to reduce engine power and prevent loss of traction. If it detects understeer, DSC provides a braking impulse to the inside rear wheel to stabilise the car. If it detects oversteer, a braking impulse to the offside front wheel has a similar effect.

Tyre choice has been a crucial part of development and TeamRS engineers worked closely with Pirelli to develop a special version of the high performance P Zero Nero tyre.

The P Zero Nero has an asymmetric tread pattern with longitudinal channels to disperse water, optimised for position and size. The central strip is made up of continuous semi-slick elements to increase rigidity and improve directional precision whilst avoiding wheel slip during acceleration.

Fiesta XR4 comes with a low profile 205/40 ZR17 tyre, wrapped around a unique multi-spoke alloy rim.

During the development process of the Fiesta XR4, a great deal of time and effort was spent ‘balancing’ the controls to create harmony between the feel and response of the brakes, clutch, steering and gearshift functions.

As a result all these controls display a performance feel and are a coherent part of the car, while also having that essential sporty Ford feel which enthusiasts recognise and appreciate.

EXTERIOR APPEARANCE

The Fiesta XR4 is based on the three-door Fiesta model which, unusually among cars in its class, already has its own distinctively sporty appearance compared with its five-door counterparts. To achieve this, the three-door features a more sloping roofline and steeper angled tailgate, creating a youthful and lively look.

Fiesta XR4 develops this further and adds a strong performance flavour. At the front a new, XR5 Turbo-style bumper and air dam moulding features a deeper, sportier version of Fiesta’s hallmark trapezoidal grille. Situated either side of the grille are circular chrome-ringed front fog lamps.

The grille opening has been tailored for optimum engine breathing and the small lip spoiler under the front air dam is the result of detailed aerodynamic tuning.

Subtle side skirts carry the lower body line of Fiesta XR4 through from the front bumper to the rear, where there is a matching, deeper new bumper moulding. This has a large air diffuser opening and, like the front bumper, has its lower section finished in a charcoal grey colour.

To complete the detailing, the exhaust tail pipe is finished with a half-round section, polished metal trim as it exits the bumper.

A rear roof spoiler has been fitted, with the gap between it and the roof having been carefully tuned for optimum aerodynamics, thereby reducing drag and improving downforce.

New body side mouldings angle down towards the front end of the car and further emphasise the performance stance of the Fiesta XR4. Body side mouldings, door handles and newly designed door mirrors, powered and heated, are all body coloured.

The whole effect is complemented by the lowered suspension, low profile Pirelli P Zero tyres and large, arch-filling alloy wheels. These alloys were specially developed for the car and their look is another styling element that establishes the XR4 brand in the hierarchy of performance Fords.

INTERIOR ENVIRONMENT

Inside, Fiesta XR4 has been designed both to look good and to create the driving environment an enthusiast driver demands.

The special sports seats have been developed carefully to give maximum support to drivers of different sizes and builds. At the same time they have retained the excellent everyday comfort required of a Fiesta variant.

The front seats themselves are trimmed in black leather with central cloth sections finished in either red or blue, depending on exterior body colour.

Fiesta’s ergonomically excellent driving position is given the special XR4 treatment with a thick, leather-wrapped steering wheel that has a bright steering wheel spoke design, metal pedals and a leather wrap gear knob. It all creates a ‘cockpit’ that will not just look the part but will also be supremely functional.

Special XR4 interior detailing includes matt finish rings around the instruments themselves, added brightwork on the handbrake and door pull handles, and alloy ‘XR4’ scuff plates on the door sills.

Vehicles with an exterior colour of Performance Blue or Frozen White will feature a blue instrument panel, while all other examples will offer white on black instrument graphics.

"These elements are details the more enthusiastic driver looks for in a sporty car, the ‘jewels’ that advertise elegantly that you’re inside something special," said Mr Capito.

COLOUR AND TRIMS

The new Fiesta XR4 will come in six exterior colours, all available with an optional overhead stripe combination.

The colour palette is Colorado Red, Frozen White, Moondust Silver, Sea Grey, Panther Black and Performance Blue. There are three different optional overhead stripe colours available, being silver, blue or white, depending on the exterior colour chosen.

"The overhead stripe is a signature feature unique to Fiesta XR4 and the bold twin stripes create an eye catching appearance, which alludes to the performance intent of the new vehicle," said Mr Capito.

"Fiesta XR4 in Frozen White with the overhead blue stripes delivers the classic sports appearance, very reminiscent of the famous original Ford GT."

PRICING AND SPECIFICATION

Fiesta XR4 will be available for sale in June with a recommended retail price of $24,990*.

After the initial launch period supply will be limited to 40 units per month, ensuring the exclusivity of the new model is retained.

"Fiesta XR4 will become a cult car, much in the same genre as Focus XR5 Turbo," said Mr Capito.

"European styling and German engineering evident in Fiesta models, mated with the technical and sports-performance expertise of TeamRS, have combined to produce an absolutely fantastic vehicle.

"Fiesta XR4 is an invigorating vehicle which rewards enthusiastic drivers, yet still retains road-handling manners and refinement that ensures it is just as enjoyable to drive every day."

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Hmmmm, do you think XR4 drivers are gonna get picked on. I mean all tarted up with the racing stripes and body kit but still only managing a 7.9 0-100kph. Its not exactly brutal now is it. But still the looks are ok and it'd be a fun punt for getting into the city and going to the shops.
Far out guys.

Since when has any hot hatch really been about straight line performance?
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Aughh FWD - who wants that?

Just kidding, they do look like being good little units, it’ll be interesting to see their lap times. I guess the torque curve is pretty flat with that power output anyone want to post one up? It’d make a great introductory car for sprints, trackdays, motorkhanas, etc. More handling than grunt always appeals to me. It seems like nice progressive steps from an XR4 to an XR5 then to an XR6T. I expect to see them at track days for many years to come.

A chipped Polo GTi should stomp on it for grunt but then again that isn’t comparing apples with apples.

For the big CID brigade – imagine comparing your times to an 8 litre to 10.8 litre car putting out 380kw to 580kw car and you can see why the little CID guys get excited if we come close to your times.
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A little off topic, but:
http://www.answers.com/topic/ford-me...gar-xr-7-model

There you go Thor and Polyal, a production XR7...
(yes, it's not Aussie)

BTW, I saw the XR4 in the flesh the other it certainly looked the part!

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Far out guys.

Since when has any hot hatch really been about straight line performance?
What other kind of performance is there. ;)
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Hmmmm thats a big statement, and when you run out of puff our V8's will be still steaming on and sound much better while doing it, anyway yeah they do look like a nice car, not my cup of tea im not a small car fan, though id prefer a Golf Gti or R32 <- thats a real hatch alothugh much more expensive.
I should have said in twisties and not come across as meaning in a straightline. A Golf/R32 it at the top of the hothatch segment, but then again it is not in the same category as XR4.

Compare apples to apples please.
Can we all agree that a 6 or 8 is better in straightline (generalisation) and a XR4/Mild -hot hatch is better in the twisties (Generalisation). No point having a winge about either one.

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I mean all tarted up with the racing stripes and body kit
Well there are alot of Falcons out there (cough *stripes on a xr6 cough* or bulges) that look absolute rubbish. Unfortuanlty the XR4 looks wicked.


Back to topic.. Yes i am up for a XR4, not right at the moment but in 6months Sea Grey or Blue.
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http://www.answers.com/topic/ford-me...gar-xr-7-model

There you go Thor and Polyal, a production XR7...
(yes, it's not Aussie)

BTW, I saw the XR4 in the flesh the other it certainly looked the part!
OMG! When you linked it up I thought it was for the old school Cougars, not that rubbish. But im sure you know the XR's get their names from the cylinder count. The good cougars were V8's.
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Well there are alot of Falcons out there (cough *stripes on a xr6 cough* or bulges) that look absolute rubbish. Unfortuanlty the XR4 looks wicked.
Yeah, I'm just stirring the pot. I actually quite like the look of it. Good to see Ford providing some decent product across the range. I recently looked long and hard at the XR5. The only things I didn't like about that were the 4 doors and the price tag. The Fiesta solves both those problems.
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If you where in the UK you could of gotten the 2 door ST/XR5T
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Great price, but just like the XR5 only 40 per month available. Same supply problems as XR5? Big waiting lists ahead.
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OMG! When you linked it up I thought it was for the old school Cougars, not that rubbish. But im sure you know the XR's get their names from the cylinder count. The good cougars were V8's.
In Australia, yes. In England, no. You could buy a four cylinder XR2 Fiesta between 84 and 89 - pre dating our XR6 (so now you know where 'XR' in relation to performance Fords came from.) Between 81 and 86 you could get a four cylinder XR3 Escort (also an optional XR3i)

The original XR4 was a Sierra.

An XR4 Fiesta must give the poms a head spin.
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OMG! When you linked it up I thought it was for the old school Cougars, not that rubbish. But im sure you know the XR's get their names from the cylinder count. The good cougars were V8's.
Not always as DeathXR pionted out...

also XR2 capri

and the XR7 Cougar, did it have a 7.0l in it? I know it was a big block of some sort...
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:49 PM   #51
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Not always as DeathXR pionted out...

also XR2 capri

and the XR7 Cougar, did it have a 7.0l in it? I know it was a big block of some sort...
I was talking about current cars, but anyway. Yes the Cougar had some monster of an engine, IIRC was based off the mustang and looked alot meaner! Interceptor comes to mind for some reason.
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Polo GTI = 110kws + 1190kg = 92kw/ton (220nm) - $26999 (base)
Fiesta XR4 = 110kws + 1090kg = 101kw/ton (190nm) - 24999 (base)

Both have good power to weight ratios, XR4 obviously more but with less torque. Still great bang for buck (Stock). Polo with a simple 2000 can give you 152kw @ Wheels +330nm where as the XR4 for 2000 will get you 130-140kw @ Wheels.
XR4 with $2000 in mods won't get you 130-140kW at the wheels. It will get you that figure at the engine.

As for the power/weight... that's great and all, but don't forget the Polo GTI has 110kW @ 5800rpm to the XR4's 110kW @ 6000rpm and 220Nm @ 1950-5000rpm to the XR4's 190Nm @ 4500rpm. It would be a much closer race then you would think and I'd say unless the Fiesta driver is on top of things early on, most of the time, the Polo will nudge infront. It will also stomp it for in-gear acceleration.

Of the small/light category hot hatches currentley available in Australia, the Polo GTI and Fiesta XR4 are amongst the best, the 110kW 240Nm 1.6 Turbo Peugeot 207 GT also sitting with them in the top spot. The pricing seperates them a bit, $24,990 for the XR4, $26,990 for the GTI and $31,490 for the 207 GT. It would be difficult choosing between the three, that's for sure.
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:59 PM   #53
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Yeah I am very surprised at the price, Ford has done well! Lets hope the hot Mondeo's (if it comes here) well be competitive aswell.

I think it would be fair to say that people who buy their XR4's know their options, and Ford probably acknowledges (not publicly of course) that the XR4 isn't as hot as other, hence the price. good move though.
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Yes my mistake... its been a long day. should be @ Engine. Anyways XR4 FTW.
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Yes my mistake... its been a long day. should be @ Engine. Anyways XR4 FTW.
What are the mods? And how much?
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www.pumaspeed.co.uk have an extensive range for the Fiesta ST/XR4.

attainable power with the ability to maintain drivability is about 200bhp.

for that you are looking at:

duratec Cams,
Duratec intake Manfold,
Ful Exhaust system
CAI
Dreamscience

should take you up to about 200bhp or 150kw Fly.
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Hmmmm, do you think XR4 drivers are gonna get picked on. I mean all tarted up with the racing stripes and body kit but still only managing a 7.9 0-100kph. Its not exactly brutal now is it.
10 years ago V8 Commodores and Falcons were pushing to do that. Funny how things progress.

I picked my XR4 last night... it's not as low down on torque as I thought it would be. Certainly better at low revs then my B4 Liberty was (although the B4 was smash it to pieces once boost hits)
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I see a whole line of them for the last few weeks at the new car impound on the way to work. They look great with the stripes
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Speaking of the XR4 im too sure if i saw one thou it was a Festia and had the GT strips. It was turning onto Wellington Rd and damm it went around the corner very well and it look like it handle it qute well
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I should have said in twisties and not come across as meaning in a straightline. A Golf/R32 it at the top of the hothatch segment, but then again it is not in the same category as XR4.

Compare apples to apples please.
Can we all agree that a 6 or 8 is better in straightline (generalisation) and a XR4/Mild -hot hatch is better in the twisties (Generalisation). No point having a winge about either one.
Read my post i said the R32 is ' much more expensive', i know its (XR4) not in the same league. And yes i dont mind the XR4 now ive seen pics, but as i said i prefer V8's over 4cyl cars <-(chook tins) :
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