Professor puts a positive spin on hooning around

[2002xr6]

Originally Posted by |||

i'm gunna do a burnout in his honour

me too

[jimmy_c]

Originally Posted by sleekism

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=43531

"Drag racing in the streets is dangerous," Professor White said. "Give the young people a race track, or a disused or unoccupied industrial site instead. Offer help and hints on how to race fast, and safely."

The authors agree that young people are disproportionately involved in crashes. But the victims were not necessarily those who were part of a car culture. Rather young people were vulnerable because they tended to be driving at night in poorer quality cars.

I bet this will go un noticed and screwby will be all over it. I am glad someone has a brain.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by G.J.Tuddy

I agree. Glad to see your one of few that think clearly and not "brand" everyone.

I love it how so many "older 25+" drivers i'm with say how that young person just went speeding past them, only for me to point out that they have traffic banked up behind them for several k's and they are 10-15km under the speed limit.

18-25 being involved in more fatelities then elderly drivers is an issue, which comes back to two things, either they can't driver or being a nob! What reason do elderly people have for being the cause or invloved in the most car accidents though??

Exactly, the problem for young people is simply lack of experience and I don't think thats something that can be learnt from a computer test or from mum and dad. I'm sure all the people here who were apprentices struggled the first time they welded etc. and now it's second nature but I bet they didn't have to have a fully qualified tradie hold their hand for a 100 hours, was only allowed to use a low powered soldering iron for 3 years and if they farked up once had their pay docked and weren't allowed to work for 3 months.

The problem for older people is very complex as they degenerate at different rates but there still is the issue that they are the biggest menace, their knowledge of laws is outdated and their knowledge of cars is outdated (some like my grandad still double declutches every gear change). The complexity is that some (like p platers) are perfectly good drivers but the advantage older people have is political power. Australia is an ageing population so older people are well represented and get angry easy and can actually be bothered writing letters to the editor.

I should also point out that a lot of the p platers you are swearing at aren't neccesarily 18-25. I am actually suprised at the number of p platers in their 30's and 40's on the road and not to mention the menace of p plater Asians.

Back to the point of the article wholeheartedly. I learnt to drive fanging Datsuns and Falcons around an abandoned quarry as did my missus and any mates I brang round. And of all the people in my year who learnt to drive at my quarry or on their own bush tracks not a single one has crashed and I'm talking all p platers, all going on 2 years plus with licence and all driving modified rear wheel drive cars such as VL Turbo, RX7, XR6 Ute, XR8 Ute, VS SS, VT Supercharged and all fanging down the most windy dodgy goatracks.

Oh and has anyone else come across "hoon" mums in Territory's?
they can fly and are good to sit behind if you wanna get somewhere in a hurry!

[LTDHO]

Email this to every member of parliment.

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by |||

i'm gunna do a burnout in his honour

Gwad that made me laugh, cheers

[davonafairlane]

All I have to say for MO and anyone else who has that view is what exactly can you expect? To quote the victorian learners book "driving is a complex task" and two years for learning is enough to get some experience but realistically nothing can prepare you for every situation. Driving is not learnt overnight or in a few lessons, it changes with age im 20 now and I can drive better then when I was learning how to drive (before I had my licence) but I will never stop learning like everyone on the road.

And yes they do only really teach you mostly how to pass the test

What young people are saying about the old is for those that have lost confidence in driving and it does happen.

Maybe everyone should be tested every 5-10 years to make sure they still know the rules (they can change) and if there still competent in driving.........

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by davonafairlane

......Maybe everyone should be tested every 5-10 years to make sure they still know the rules (they can change) and if there still competent in driving.........

I reckon that would be a great idea. The logistics of it happening and policing it would be the nightmare though.

[xygthop3]

yeah the professor made a good point but like the government etc is going to listen to him...
ill give him 1000000000000000 points for trying tho..

but dead set i know alot of people as myself who enjoy doing the illegal stuff in the street, going to big backstreets, industrial places and frying tyres, drifting corners, doing tandom burnouts, drags etc and none of us have ver had a accident that has related to bad injury or death or hurting others..
maybe the car gets a litle bit of a dent gutter the wheel but tahts the risk...

ill bet $10000 that my group of amtes are better drivers then alot of older people etc out their, and im saying this with confidence.
if it was wet and ur car kicked out sidewayzz will you be able to controll it.
people who "HOON" majority of their time are sued to it so it becomes second nature.
i know for isntance my mum has no idea how to controll a vehicle when sidewayz thats y she doesnt drive nemore because she is scared lol..

neways you probably think im just an 18 eyar old who thinks about burnouts and hi-powerd vehicles etc. but u gotta look at it in alot of ways.

if you learn on cars and little things like excels etc, when u get off them cars u ahve a bigger chance of wrapping yourself around a poll.
if u enjoy the culture and like your burnouts etc you not going to do it in peak traffic coz everybody i know that is what use call "HOONS" do it at respectable places and not during peak traffic times..

newayss tahts my 2c...sorry for beeing a winger kid lol

[xygthop3]

p.s ALRERADY DID A BURNOUT IN HIS HONOUR

[mrniceguy]

Originally Posted by xygthop3

ill bet $10000 that my group of amtes are better drivers then alot of older people etc out their, and im saying this with confidence.
if it was wet and ur car kicked out sidewayzz will you be able to controll it.
people who "HOON" majority of their time are sued to it so it becomes second nature.
i know for isntance my mum has no idea how to controll a vehicle when sidewayz thats y she doesnt drive nemore because she is scared lol..

While being able to control a car sideways is a good skill to have the trick is not to end up in this situation in the first place. And the best way to do this is to drive cautiously till you have experiance. All the advanced driver training in the world doesnt make up for over confidence which causes you to end up in a situation for which there is no way out, regardless of skill level.

[normxb]

Mmm Where do I Start ? .......Oh well , Here will do ....(Downer stuff for a start , Good stuff at the end

Originally Posted by blueoval

the laws should be tougher on persons/pensioners over 50yo whose reflexes are slower and can obstruct and endanger those who help support their retired lifestyle.

Please take a copy of what you've said , and look at in 30 years time ? and see if you feel the same ! Yes there would be a "Very Few" 50's+ like that , same as the "Few Hoons" give the rest a bad name . As for you supporting their "Retired Lifestyle" do you reckon you could live on $210-00 a week , make house payments , rates, phone & power bills AND buy food as well ? My fuel budget is $10-00 a f/night . If your retired at 50y/o , I can tell you , it's "Not by Choice" , 65y/o Yes. but I know a few 65+guy's who could probably run rings around you . I also know a 26 y/o who's still on his "P's" . Oh , Who paid for the roads in the first place , for You to drive on , for 25 years I worked 10-14 hours a day , 7 day's a week , my father & grandfather paid their taxes & Rego's too . So you're driving on OUR roads , think about it ! :

MO , agree with ya all the way Mate. You know what the drift is .

Originally Posted by Tiapan

If there were a local 'at your own risk skidpan' i would putt my way there and then let loose, and putt home, no harm done!!! .

I wish it was like that Tiapan , but there's no such thing as "at your own risk" anymore . You can put a sign on your gate saying "Dog , Enter at your own risk" but a person can still sue you if they get bitten in your yard . Same as someone can break into your home , trip over something in the dark and guess what . it's "Your Fault" because they didn't see it and sue you . Racetracks , Strips etc have Massive Public Risk Insurance to cover that .

Originally Posted by xygthop3

I know a lot of people as myself who enjoy doing the illegal stuff in the street, going to big backstreets, industrial places and frying tyres, drifting corners, doing tandom burnouts, drags etc and none of us have ever had a accident that has related to bad injury or death or hurting others..].

But it does/has happened ,just not to you -YET- In Homebush/Olympic Park (Sydney), used to be a place called "Brickies" it was an Industrial area , few people died and/or got hurt there , If the Hamburger Joint at Granville was empty on a Sat. or Sun. night Everyone knew "brickies was on" just a few guy's (100 or so) were there having fun , but when someone got hurt , they all took off so they wouldn't get busted. One time , everybody took off & no-one called an Ambulance , the guy bled to death in his car , one phone call could have saved him. Why are they bringing Stupid laws like they are , "cause of guy's like you" , It doesn't only affect young guy's but also us 50+'s too . (yes I know , State revenue also comes in here)

I know the Driving laws as well as any 17-20y/o , I've taught my Daughters "How to Drive" (not just get their licence) in the last 3 years , I went through the book with them numerous times , I also taught them car control , emergency stops on "Wet Tar roads , Dry & Wet gravel roads , cornering smoothly & general Defensive Driving , then took them both to a Driving School to get the "finer points" , One lesson each & driving instructor said they were "more than ready" .

The Good Stuff ..

The good "Professor" has gut's for most of what he said , I agree for more Legal Skidpans , Strips & Tracks , been there done that , Raced for 12 years with a Car Club doing Lap-Dashes Club Sprints - Hillclimbs , should be more of it . Man , what a BUZZ . Tiapan , these are the places to get going .
Nearly ALL racetracks have street car day's , take advantage of it while the tracks are still there . In Sydney they closed down Amaroo Park , Oran Park nearly got closed down , Westmead speedway got closed down , so make use of a safe and purpose built place "While You Can". I love speed as much as any 20+y/o , nothing like an old 192 screaming at 8,000 rev's ( the power band in my racecar is 3,000 - 8,500 rev's) BUT in the right place

Industrial estates would be great too , as long as there were a few safety fences and "Insurance" , That I would agree with ...

xygthop3 , Mmmm wonder why your mum is too scared to drive anymore ?

Geesh , Glad I'm only going to post here ONCE . I've said my bit .

[Bent8]

Oh yeah, this Professors got it right...I'm voting for this guy at the next (phony) Election.

[MeLLy]

Finally two adults that are talking sense.
They sound like they live in the real world.

[Keepleft]

Good post NORM!!

Melly, quite please, GovCo might hear you:-)