Hsv Announces 6.2 L Ls3 317 Kw

[Rock ape]

Originally Posted by mcnews

It's not the peak that is the issue for anyone with half a brain. It is the mumbo off the bottom and in the middle. This is where the Boss is anaemic, it pulls wonderfully up top, nobody is dipsuting that. But pulling well in the last couple of thousand rpm is not what makes for a great motor. If the F6 only pulled hard from 4000 up hardly anyone would buy one.

That's right by the time the Boss is in the power the race is over. And im talking about the DRAG strip.

[fmc351]

Theres no substitute for cubes?? Someone should have told that to the Sierras and GTR's, Holden cried, and Holden fans walked away from Touring Cars in droves.


Only accountants put so much faith directly in the numbers. If they both had 317, you'd be arguing over decimals.

[Rock ape]

Its not the kws its the lack of nm's

[F6 R-Spec]

Originally Posted by mcnews

It's not the peak that is the issue for anyone with half a brain. It is the mumbo off the bottom and in the middle. This is where the Boss is anaemic, it pulls wonderfully up top, nobody is dipsuting that. But pulling well in the last couple of thousand rpm is not what makes for a great motor. If the F6 only pulled hard from 4000 up hardly anyone would buy one.

Totally agree, Cubes = torque = big smile on face.

Cheers mick.

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by PURSUIT-250

Yes we know HSV has that bit better V8, 6.2L it's not something you can ignore comparing it to a 5.4L. No substitute for cubes they say, it is and will always be.
I dont only compare KW's and how Quik the cars are, i look at it all cubes, drivability, stopping the lot.


FPV had it over HSV with there F6, and will continue to have it over them with the FG ( IMO ).

Cheers mick.

Mate I agree, although I can't comment on the drivability as the only hi-po late model car I've driven is a 6.0 HSV coupe (what a car!), never been in a boss/turbo. If I was in the market I would compare them based on the whole package as well. Never been in an F6, must be an awesome car to top the HSV (not saying its better or worse, just can't comment)

Unfortuatly people (the general public) have a tendancy to compare things based on a couple of numbers, as its easy to do.
Performance = kW
Economy = L/100km
and maybe
Safety = stars
And thats about it

[Wally]

Originally Posted by BAGTp001

Its not the kws its the lack of nm's

A bit like a 1kW hand drill motor versus a 1kW drill press motor?

Displacement aside, is there much difference in physical dimensions of the two motors?

I must admit I'm wondering why a four valve DOHC engine specific power is only 7% and specific torque 6% better than than the two valve OHV pushrodasaurus?

5.4M 17.9cc/kW, 10cc/Nm

LS3 19.2cc/kW, 10.6cc/Nm

[Clint Eastwood]

I have a 6 speed manual gt with a few mods and I am yet to come across a ve hsv that can keep up, I know we are talking about factory power levels, but if you want more power mod the bloody thing,it isnt that bigger deal, Im sure most people who can afford a gt can fork out an extra 10 grand to inject some life into the damn thing.

I test drove a gts last week and let me tell ya it pulls harder then a 302,but regardless of which one I purchased mods would be on the cards for either.

Until we know the power output of the new fpv vehicles this thread is pointless,every one bagging ford is just assuming the gt will have less than the hsv's.

[FPV8U]

Wait till you see he power they will get with Bolt on + Tune on this engine, sure it's not much more than a standard FG GT, but when you play with them this thing will be in a league of it's own..

[Wally]

Edda, how do you mean about VE HSV keeping up? Can't they do the speed limit in your neck of the woods? Up here in QLD the HSV owners tend to be middle aged types, so I guess they aren't really all that interested in sprints between traffic lights.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Wait till you see he power they will get with Bolt on + Tune on this engine, sure it's not much more than a standard FG GT, but when you play with them this thing will be in a league of it's own..

So can be said about nearly any engine... I think its pointless bringing modifications (or the "potential" of said mods) into any debate when comparing new models, it simply muddies the water to the point where the original topic is totally lost...

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

So can be said about nearly any engine... I think its pointless bringing modifications (or the "potential" of said mods) into any debate when comparing new models, it simply muddies the water to the point where the original topic is totally lost...

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Correct, but the facts are this engine will be infront when it leaves the showroom and the gap will only get bigger when it comes to play time...

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by Grechie

is that confirmed ? 320 for the GT?

I'll guess more like 330.And maybe a few more ponies for the special GT model

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

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Correct, but the facts are this engine will be infront when it leaves the showroom and the gap will only get bigger when it comes to play time...

You're making some pretty big assumptions or guesses about 2 cars that havent been released, driven or compared yet...

[Boss 5.4]

Exactly edda bah, Ford haven't even released there figures and they are getting bagged already. Sometimes I wonder why they bother at all, People here (and usually the same anti Boss poeple) are already saying HSV have trumped the FG with 317kw, and there are no figures on FG FPV yet, unless they know somehting we dont, and have driven them both and recorded performance times........ just wait for the facts and stop winging already.

If the FG is a tenth slower down the quarter than the New HSV who cares... does it make it slow? NO! Regardless of the KW of the FG, it is a damn powerful car with more power than can be used as a day to day car on a public road. If Ford trumps HSV for power the media will be all over them for being irresponsible for releasing such a powerful car, it was done with the 270kw F6 for gods sake. Yet HSV get the praise for masterful engineering. In world of Red its hard to bleed Blue

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

You're making some pretty big assumptions or guesses about 2 cars that havent been released, driven or compared yet...

Just going on the LS3's performance in the states and a much unchanged drivetrain fo the FG... i think im pretty safe in my assumptions, although i would love to be proved wrong.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Just going on the LS3's performance in the states and a much unchanged drivetrain fo the FG... i think im pretty safe in my assumptions, although i would love to be proved wrong.

Sounds like a guess to me.... lets wait and see shall we?

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

I'll guess more like 330.And maybe a few more ponies for the special GT model

From what I have heard I am pretty sure it will be 315kw.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Sounds like a guess to me.... lets wait and see shall we?

Don't have much of a choice do we...

[Elks]

Actual KW outputs are really irellevant.

Nobody laughs off a WRX-STi or Evo IX due to there 206 KW (or thereabouts).

It is performance that matters, and in recent years the HSV vs FPV battles have all gone to team red. Various reasons wet days, hard to launch, whatever. Excuses are only good once. If FPV are serious they will have designed a car that will run with HSV a tenth slower or faster wont matter, that's good for bench racing. They simply for the sake of thier fan base need to not be a second off the pace as has been the case in the BA & BF era.

my 2c.

[zetec]

Originally Posted by xw gtho phase 2

not insecruity mate its called hsv leading the way again ....like to see what happens when u pull up at the lights with the 317 kw monster next to you in your 302 cobra u will be to gutless to give him a go in fear u will look like a idiot

I'd also like to see what his 317kw are worth in 6 months when the LS3 gets upgraded to 322kw for a VE series III or IV compared to the value of the Cobra... let alont what it's worth in 10 years time.

[Clint Eastwood]

Originally Posted by myts

Actual KW outputs are really irellevant.

Nobody laughs off a WRX-STi or Evo IX due to there 206 KW (or thereabouts).

It is performance that matters, and in recent years the HSV vs FPV battles have all gone to team red. Various reasons wet days, hard to launch, whatever. Excuses are only good once. If FPV are serious they will have designed a car that will run with HSV a tenth slower or faster wont matter, that's good for bench racing. They simply for the sake of thier fan base need to not be a second off the pace as has been the case in the BA & BF era.

my 2c.

F6 typhoon?

[ea90gl]

It wouldnt surprise me one bit if the LS3 has more potential than the boss like FPV8U says, its been proven plenty of times that the more cubes you have to play with the more power (more so torque) you will get after serious mods. Yes technology plays a big part but theres only so much 5.4 can do up against a 6.2 in the long run

[Falcon Coupe]

More power and another capacity increase, how surprising.

[HSVKILLA]

From everything i have read on the forums in the last wee while it is plainly obvious that hsv is very intimidated by anything Fpv is about to do in the near future,even in the not so distant past.It seems to be that hsv fear ever being triumphed in the horsepower department and have to be no.1 in the pie selling cue all the time.

[Kil4Collingwood]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the weight difference between the two motors, not sure about the new HSV motor but the old gen 3 was only marginally heavier than the old cast iron ecotec 6.
Is the boss all cast iron? Pretty sure at least the block is plus the weight of quad cams and the larger heads to house them as opposed to an all alloy block and heads, pushrod driven valves whist being low tech weigh a hell of alot less plus a larger capacity.
I'd still rather have the BOSS myself.

[Clint Eastwood]

Originally Posted by Kil4Collingwood

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the weight difference between the two motors, not sure about the new HSV motor but the old gen 3 was only marginally heavier than the old cast iron ecotec 6.
Is the boss all cast iron? Pretty sure at least the block is plus the weight of quad cams and the larger heads to house them as opposed to an all alloy block and heads, pushrod driven valves whist being low tech weigh a hell of alot less plus a larger capacity.
I'd still rather have the BOSS myself.

Cast iron block,alloy heads on the boss.

[mcnews]

I would rather have the 7 litre dry sump mill with 370kw and monster torque everywhere. And at the same weight and physical dimensions of the current HSV donk... A bulkier, heavier but smaller capacity engine doesn't make smart engineering in my book.

[TSERIES]

Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

From everything i have read on the forums in the last wee while it is plainly obvious that hsv is very intimidated by anything Fpv is about to do in the near future,even in the not so distant past.It seems to be that hsv fear ever being triumphed in the horsepower department and have to be no.1 in the pie selling cue all the time.

HSV is intimidated by FPV ? LOL now ive heared everything .....

[TSERIES]

Originally Posted by mcnews

I would rather have the 7 litre dry sump mill with 370kw and monster torque everywhere. And at the same weight and physical dimensions of the current HSV donk... A bulkier, heavier but smaller capacity engine doesn't make smart engineering in my book.

good to see somoeone who talks sense not biased opinions people who truly understand what makes a preformance car the whole package will agree that hsv has it hands down atm i really hope for fpv's sake that the new gutless boss engine has had a major re-work ...

[TSERIES]

Originally Posted by WOTDAH

Can someone tell me how Holden are ahead? FG GT 320 kw, LS3 317 kw. Looks to me the Ford are ahead by an earth shattering 3kw.

talking crap or are u a fpv insider ?