Dodgy roadworthy

[Barry_v]

Originally Posted by nicholas

but with tie wire = no having the bolt work its way loose while family driving down the Hi-way at 110kmh

so why not have tie wire on the bolts for the steering box? why not have tie wire on the wheel nuts? hell why not have tie wire on the steering wheel retaining nut? BECAUSE THE PERSON INSTALLING SHOULD NOT BE A COMPLETE 'TARD.

Im not going to try and defend dodgy work performed on cars, but I dont think it is a big enough problem to warrant enforcing inspections on the entire population.

[Barry_v]

some people dont have batterys in their smoke alarm, doesnt mean we should have house safety inspections every 12 months. personal responsibility has to take over somewhere.

[Mont5.0]

This guy is doing a CORRECT R/W and you're complaining...??? :

If he let all that go it would be dodgey, and he could loose his licence or face prosecution if something happened to your car and he let it go... good to see someone do a proper R/W.[/QUOTE]

What about the alignment etc?

[tony302coupe]

All sounds fair to me with the exception of the gas setup.
If you’re not happy go to another mechanic and get the bloke who
tested the tank to restamp it

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Rodp

No RWC!? You don't mind sharing the road with cars that could have all sorts of problems?

sure, here in adelaide there are cars driving around that probably shouldn't be on the road but i've done a few km's in eastern states, which do have an rwc system (qld, nsw, vic) and i've seen the same types of vehicles still on the road.

if you ask me, rwc's mean jack. even in this thread there have been admissions and recommendations of how to get a car passed without actually getting it fixed.

my current car i bought in nsw. it came complete with rwc and yet when i went to register it here in s.a. it didn't pass. too low and tint too dark. begs the question, how did it get passed in nsw??

[Nathan&Amanda]

RWC in qld only happens upon sale of vehicle, so if you have a car 15 years you wouldnt go test it unless selling it.

RWC doesn't do the same as defecting here, i seen car to low etc and too loud pass, the car is in a safe manor and what they have to check passes.

OT i dont think he was whinging about it been done right, he was doing the right thing and questioning, what he thought was dodgy. instead of going straight back and tearing a new a hole on the mechanic then been corrected etc.

[Hunter]

This wire business... why have I never seen it on any car I've worked on? Never had it on my old 82 Gemini, never had it on our old 89 Cressida, never had it on my EL, never had it on dad's VT commodore....??? My EL's caliper bolts don't even have holes in them.

[OLDFORDNUT]

Originally Posted by Hunter

This wire business... why have I never seen it on any car I've worked on? Never had it on my old 82 Gemini, never had it on our old 89 Cressida, never had it on my EL, never had it on dad's VT commodore....??? My EL's caliper bolts don't even have holes in them.

found more on old vehicles, tester was being very picky i agree but technically if got provision to be fitted then its required, id just get tank stamped and fit tie wire and go get it passed,end of small problem, as for tank,i cant believe it was not stamped,paper work proves nothing without the stamp,id kick the gas testers barge-

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DodgeVenom

lol 25mm = .984 inches. XG only came with 15 x 6 rims so anything wider than 6.984 isn't road worthy.

Was there an XR version of the XG? Or a factory option of 16 inch rims, because its +1 inch of the biggest factory rim for that model series.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Barry_v

funnily enough I havnt seen old corollas running out of brakes ploughing into bus stops on a weekly basis because we dont have a RWC system. how often does an accident involve mechanical failure? the percentage is insignificant.

as far as im concerned its just another money making/paperwork exercise that penalises people who have several cars. its bad enough paying registration and insurance on each individual car despite the fact i can only drive one at a time.

...and you have those percentages at hand?

A pink slip in NSW costs less than $30 which makes up less than 5% of the cost of registering my vehicle. For the first 3 years of a vehicles life, you don't need to get a pink slip.

The things that are looked at most in a pink slip are all lights and indicators working, are the tyres in fit condition and how strong the brakes are. I don't know about you, but when I'm on the road, I'd like to think the cars around me are at least checked for roadworthyness once a year and are kept to a reasonable standard to minimise expense at rego time.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by prydey

sure, here in adelaide there are cars driving around that probably shouldn't be on the road but i've done a few km's in eastern states, which do have an rwc system (qld, nsw, vic) and i've seen the same types of vehicles still on the road.

if you ask me, rwc's mean jack. even in this thread there have been admissions and recommendations of how to get a car passed without actually getting it fixed.

my current car i bought in nsw. it came complete with rwc and yet when i went to register it here in s.a. it didn't pass. too low and tint too dark. begs the question, how did it get passed in nsw??

I've had the same thing, many years ago. The place was then audited, and inspector popped around my place to check my car and whamo, stickered. Place lost their licence and I was up for $2000 in repairs to get it up to spec.

There will always be dodgy places but they'll eventually get caught. I'd prefer to have a system in place that does a roadworthy at least once a year rather than let anyone drive any old piece of crap on the road.

[89 S-PACK]

Originally Posted by DodgeVenom

I got a roadworthy done yesterday on my '93 XG, and the bloke came up with a few things which made me raise my eyebrows.

"Brake caliper bolts tie wire" Basically he reckon's the holes in the head of the top caliper bolts is for a wire to go through the bolt and wrap around the stub axle to stop the bolt from falling out. Interesting. : If i'm not mistaken that hole is for a wire, but it's to hang up the calipers when you remove them so they're not hanging off the brake line.

The 17 x 8 mags wheels i have on the car are too large, there isn't enough clearance between the inside of the rim and the top ball joint. Plus apparently they're 2 inches larger than standard which makes them too big.

My LPG system doesn't have a "Gas box safety switch" so the entire system needs to be rewired to fit one. Conveniently this bloke just happens to be a R/W tester and LPG installer. What i can say is the bloke who fitted my S/H motor last month said my gas safety switch was faulty, and that's why my car wasn't switching onto gas properly. I watched him reconnecting the safety switch myself, so i'm pretty damn certain my car has one.

Tester also says that my tank is out of date. I had it retested 2 years ago, and fair enough the idiots didn't stamp my tank they just gave me a certificate from the tester. But the certificate still has the tank serial No. etc to prove it. Testers says its rubbish though. Conveniently he can retest my tank for $220.

Alignment is out. Curious. Tyre wear so far is spot on, i also work at a tyre place doing wheel alignments and mine is schmicko.

He says my Whiteline rear sway bar kits needs to be removed or engineered. I have no idea if this is true or not, but at this point i can't tell what's BS and what isn't.

Of course just to do me a favour, they said they would keep my test off the books to give me longer than 7 days to fix it all. What the??? I'm no mechanic so i don't have a clue if they've picked legitimate things or not, but this test stinks like crap to me :

you didnt go to value tyes on sutton street did you?
if so go else where.
there idiots and they had damaged the ea when they tried to do a wheel alignment (had to get it redone elsewhere),also marked up the mags too. but i got over that being shitty rims. and yes they overcharge

oh dont bother with market street mechanical either


for the lpg stuff. go back where the tank was tested and ask where did they stamp the tank if they did.
220 to test it??
my last one i got tested cost me 116 (ballarat trailers and tow bars. carngham rd) and that was this month. but the price varies on what type of tank you have

i didnt get picked for the tie wires when my rwc was done in jan 08 on my 91 xf ute.

but the place i use is ballarat roadworthy centre on martin drive. there fair but can get picky on some things. but they wont let anything dangerous on the road.

[DodgeVenom]

Had a new road worthy test done this morning by the same guys who failed to stamp my gas tank properly. My tact here was that they couldn't really fault there own work without admitting they screwed up. What was surprising is that they picked up some major stuff that the other, apparently "picky" blokes doing a good job last week failed to noticed. Left rear handbrake mechanism on the caliper was seized, rear pads, steering rack fouling on the cross member, battery not secured, horns zip tied in *cough cough*, + some other little bits and pieces. Absolutely nothing wrong with the gas system, which i knew. So i really have the feeling that the other R/W tester / gas installer was trying to line up some work for himself and in the process completely failed to pick up on the major safety issues. Instead he wasted his time picking on things like wheels, stabiliser bar (i checked on the VSI-8, its an approved modification), and making rubbish up like i needed to rewire the whole gas system. Good news is that all up took me 4-5 hours and $100 in parts to comply with the new roady and it goes back in for the check tomorrow morning.

[RG]

Who was it you took it to originally?

[The Yeti]

hay take it some where else see if they can find more since where on a role

did he stamp the cylinder this time so you dont get the same problem next time?

[DodgeVenom]

Mate didn't even mention the stamp. The car is sold and i didn't want to bring it up in case they got annoyed and decided to go harsh on the roady.

Don't know the name of the place they've only got the R.W.C sign and Gas installation sign out front. They're on Main Rd. past Zagames as you head towards Mt. Helen. They're sort of next to and behind the tuning and mechanical workshop on the opposite side of the road to the guy who sells all the trailers. I actually took the keys to the place next door because they looked pretty busy/clean/respectable and didn't realise it was two different places.

[RG]

Originally Posted by DodgeVenom

Well don't know the name of the place they've only got the R.W.C sign and Gas installation sign out front. They're on Main Rd. past Zagames as you head towards Mt. Helen. They're sort of next to and behind the tuning and mechanical workshop on the opposite side of the road to the guy who sells all the trailers. I actually to the keys to the place next door because they looked pretty busy/clean/respectable and didn't realise it was two different places.

The place in with the RICER tuner, I know the one you are on about. I thought that was all one business too.

[89 S-PACK]

Originally Posted by Russell

The place in with the RICER tuner, I know the one you are on about. I thought that was all one business too.

what is the name of the place then russell?

then i wont bother going there if i have to get anything sorted lol

[apolloxbgt]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Was there an XR version of the XG? Or a factory option of 16 inch rims, because its +1 inch of the biggest factory rim for that model series.

Thats spot on,xg xr's had an optional 16x7.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by Rodp

...and you have those percentages at hand?

Finished your panic attack yet? Breathe into a bag.

I dont have the numbers at hand, but our Police Commissioner did. And along with the state government, it was decided as the percentage of accidents caused by mechanical failure was so low, that it wasnt worth the investment to institute a system for yearly RWC. If you want the figures, I suggest you be the one to waste 10 hours of their life pouring through hansard to find the numbers.

Just keep breathing.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Finished your panic attack yet? Breathe into a bag.

I dont have the numbers at hand, but our Police Commissioner did. And along with the state government, it was decided as the percentage of accidents caused by mechanical failure was so low, that it wasnt worth the investment to institute a system for yearly RWC. If you want the figures, I suggest you be the one to waste 10 hours of their life pouring through hansard to find the numbers.

Just keep breathing.

Perhaps accident investigation is different in SA than it is in NSW. Unless there's a fatality then very little investigation is done into the cause of the accident. The emphasis is place on clearing the accident scene to alllow traffic to flow again.

I'm actually shocked that there seems to be resistance of an annual check of the relative roadworthyness of vehicles which costs all of $20 and takes 10 minutes if you keep your car in fair mechanical condition.

[FGII-XR6]

the brakes are subject to more vibration as they are on the unsprung part of the car . all the road shock gous through this reigon on the car so there is a genuine need for a secondary securing method.

I find you use of 'TARD to be deeply offensive and it has been reported to the admin team

Originally Posted by Barry_v

so why not have tie wire on the bolts for the steering box? why not have tie wire on the wheel nuts? hell why not have tie wire on the steering wheel retaining nut? BECAUSE THE PERSON INSTALLING SHOULD NOT BE A COMPLETE 'TARD.

Im not going to try and defend dodgy work performed on cars, but I dont think it is a big enough problem to warrant enforcing inspections on the entire population.

[Bobman]

The amount of cars driving around with bald tyres should be the main concern. I would argue that a high percentage of vehicles drive around like that. Even newer BMW/Mercs.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I'm actually shocked that there seems to be resistance of an annual check of the relative roadworthyness of vehicles which costs all of $20 and takes 10 minutes if you keep your car in fair mechanical condition.

Maybe because its an utter waste of time and money. I could be spending that 20 dollars on crack, hookers or bourbon.

Please tell me why its worthwhile to me as a tax payer when there are so many ways around the system, not to mention you could take a car through a RWC, and a few hours later, reinstall all the bodgy modifications in the world, which it seems EVERYONE DOES ANYWAY. Already in this thread there were suggestions on how to get around the defects noted on the RWC.

Please tell me how this keeps me safe from the horrors of environmental pollution and simultaneous defect roadside detonation.

I dont see nissan skylines ploughing through the trees outside my place because their blow off valve malfunctioned, and the wreckage then explodes due to an out of date LPG tank. I DO see Skylines ploughing through the trees outside of my place because they are racing commodores!

I dont see the wheels falling off camrys by the road side because of incorrectly torqued steering components. I do see Camrys crumpled on the side of the road with the wheels falling off because the drivers of said Camrys have 2 inch thick cataracts over their 900 year old eyeballs, and they have driven into a truck.

Maybe SA investigates road accidents differently? Or maybe someone decided not to spin the statistics gathered by the police to come to a conclusion based on "Appearing to protect the public."

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Maybe because its an utter waste of time and money. I could be spending that 20 dollars on crack, hookers or bourbon.

Actually the bourbon will cost you $29.00 soon thanks to the 300% increase in booze tax!

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Actually the bourbon will cost you $29.00 soon thanks to the 300% increase in booze tax!

20 dollars worth of hops and grain for the mash tun then.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Please tell me why its worthwhile to me as a tax payer when there are so many ways around the system, not to mention you could take a car through a RWC, and a few hours later, reinstall all the bodgy modifications in the world, which it seems EVERYONE DOES ANYWAY. Already in this thread there were suggestions on how to get around the defects noted on the RWC.

I'm not talking about illegal modifications, I'm talking about checking devices such as brakes, tyre wear an indicators. So sub-standard brakes, faulty brake lights or bald tyres contribute a negligable accident risk?

[RG]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I'm not talking about illegal modifications, I'm talking about checking devices such as brakes, tyre wear an indicators. So sub-standard brakes, faulty brake lights or bald tyres contribute a negligable accident risk?

Word of advice. Do not get into an arguement/dispute/heated discussion with sourbastard. He will win and you will end up crying yourself to sleep in an institution.

[RG]

Originally Posted by 89 S-PACK

what is the name of the place then russell?

then i wont bother going there if i have to get anything sorted lol

Don't know of the name of the other place but the ricer tuner is Precision Automotive so you should be able to find out from their address.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Russell

Word of advice. Do not get into an arguement/dispute/heated discussion with sourbastard. He will win and you will end up crying yourself to sleep in an institution.

Meh. If compulsory checking of safety devices in a car anually is wrong then I'm glad I don't drive in SA.