Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

View Poll Results: Performance Car Purchase Dilema.
The Quicker 1 on paper and by results. 27 23.28%
The 1 that Felt Quicker to drive... 89 76.72%
Voters: 116. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 19-06-2009, 12:36 PM   #31
Buzz Box
Wheel Wally
 
Buzz Box's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ballarat
Posts: 883
Default

Well think of it this one one may be 1/10th quicker here or there but a couple of hundred on a CAI or airflow etc would make them equal go the one that makes YOU feel better and if its for day-to-day just buy the 2nd one lol
__________________
Currently:
2006 Ford Fairmont Ghia BF
1999 Land Rover Discovery Series II - "Thomas The Tank"

Previously:
2009 Ford Focus - "The Bubble Car"
2002 Ford Futura Wagon - "The Big White Wagon"
1996 Ford Falcon - "Ophelia"
1975 Jaguar XJ6 - "The Beast"
Buzz Box is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 12:42 PM   #32
Joshvee
A New Convert
 
Joshvee's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 211
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Box
Well think of it this one one may be 1/10th quicker here or there but a couple of hundred on a CAI or airflow etc would make them equal go the one that makes YOU feel better and if its for day-to-day just buy the 2nd one lol
Yea it would depend how much quicker A was to B as well. when I was young, I had a mini cooper s with a 1300 cc motor that felt damn fast (which happens when ur bum is 4" off the ground) but it wasn't that fast at all. Given a choice I would have (and did) swap it for something faster.
__________________
FG FPV F6 310 Dash
12.836 @ 174.29 Kph Factory Stock tune.
Joshvee is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 12:46 PM   #33
Rev28K
re
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Victoria - where being slow & incompetent is considered being "safe"
Posts: 1,323
Default

Go for feel 4Vman.

It’s got to have the feel good factor when you are driving it, and if you can get that feeling at 6 or 7/10ths of it’s performance rather than having to max it out to 10/10ths to get a similar feeling then good luck to you.

It can be a bit of a mug’s game buying based on performance numbers (especially if the difference between the two options isn’t that great) as most cars can be made to accelerate faster, brake better and handle better. The key phrase in your opening post was “not inclined to be a weekend track warrior” so definitely go for feel

I’ve had/got some cars that aren’t top shelf performers (Early 70’s Datsun 240Z & 260Z’s, early 70’s Honda Civic (72 CID of throbbing grunt), an 8 year old Honda Integra (that has done a lot of track days and is still pretty stock)) in the ultimate scheme of things but I still love driving them because of how they make me feel.






(and if the Windsor engined car feels quicker than the Cleveland engined one then buy it).
Rev28K is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 01:05 PM   #34
Fireblade
Wizard Member
 
Fireblade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Eastern Victoria
Posts: 3,999
Default

No disrespect to the OP, but get the car that fits everything you want in a car. If we all listened to everybody else on what to buy most of us would probably end up in cars that we dont like. All my mates drive modded Holden V8's and mate they hammered me to get one when I traded my XR8, but all I had ever wanted was a Typhoon when they came out in 04, now I have one I couldnt be happier, I love everything about the car and have never regretted buying it even though all my mates with V8's think its a peice of **** because it isnt one. I still very much love my V8's and no doubt will get one again in the future(S/C GT sounds good) but I am more than happy with what I got for the moment.
__________________
Frosty and FPR - Bathurst winners 2013
Fireblade is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 02:31 PM   #35
Tucool
Donating Member
Donating Member2
 
Tucool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 671
Thumbs up

Good poll.... option B all the way for me :
Tucool is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 03:12 PM   #36
xtreme
V8 Addict
 
xtreme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 733
Default

is this an arguement about who would buy a Typhoon over a GT??? Sounds like it is this debate, but avoiding getting angry biased comments....


Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Vman
Ok.. a bit of a hypothetical here, lets say you've test driven a number of vehicles, looked at magazine test articles and anictodal owner results for acceleration performance etc.
Vehicle a) stands out as a winner "by the numbers" its a bit faster to 100 or over the 1/4 than the other... BUT the other car of consideration, vehicle b) definitely "feels" faster "seat of the pants" to drive.. all other aspects between both vehicles are roughly equal in your mind, Some more background..
You are not inclined to be a weekend track warrior, the vehicle is a daily driver and for the occasional spirited weekend enjoyment..

The big question, Which one would YOU purchase?
__________________
I love listening to Cleveland's greatest hits!!!


My Collection:

The WEEKENDER:
1968 XT Fairmont (GT rep) - 351 clevo, pacemakers, 2.5" twin system, C10 auto, 2500 Hi-Stall, 3.45:1 LSD, 198 rwkw


The DAILY:
2003 BA GT, Citric Acid, exhaust, headers, cold air intake, 248 rwkw
xtreme is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 03:26 PM   #37
burnz
VFII SS UTE
 
burnz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Central Coast
Posts: 6,353
Default

The 1 that Felt Quicker to drive... thats the one i chose.
because you dont have to drive fast to feel fast.

joshvee (9.6 L per 100 km on my trip to Margeret River)
you dont buy a performance car and worry about fuel.
__________________
I don't often hear the sound of a screaming LSX.
But when I do, So do the neighbours..
GO SOUTHS
burnz is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 03:40 PM   #38
cjf
GT Hardcore
 
cjf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NSW
Posts: 889
Thumbs up

It's a no brainer and would always be option B for me.
The car which feels better to drive is the car you will enjoy most.The figures on paper are useless (unless you are on the race track)LOL, and may as well be used as bogroll.LOL
__________________
BF GT - 6spd ZF Auto - 292.8 rwkw 1/4 mile 13.385@ 108.32mph @ Willowbank 5/03/11. in Qualifiying STREET SERIES ROUND 7
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11295036
Cragsted Race Engines -http://cragsted.com.au/
BPR CAI , PACEMAKERS 4-1, BALLISTIC 100cell RACING CATS, CROW CAMS GTP,
K LINE , XFORCE ,PSI VALVE SPRINGS, MANLEY H BEAMS, SRP PISTONS & RINGS, ACL RACE BEARINGS MELLINGS BILLET OIL PUMP, POWERBOND UNDERDRIVES, TT1-160 THERMOSTAT.

Last edited by cjf; 19-06-2009 at 03:49 PM.
cjf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 03:41 PM   #39
Joshvee
A New Convert
 
Joshvee's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 211
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by burnz
joshvee (9.6 L per 100 km on my trip to Margeret River)
you dont buy a performance car and worry about fuel.
Please dont try to tell me what I do and don't do, I'm not a sheep.

This car being my every day driver, of course fuel economy is a bonus factor.

P.S. whos worried.... I get great fuel economy.
__________________
FG FPV F6 310 Dash
12.836 @ 174.29 Kph Factory Stock tune.
Joshvee is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 03:43 PM   #40
Destroyer XR8
Regular Member
 
Destroyer XR8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
Posts: 181
Default

I agree with option B, you should get the one that you would enjoy more.
__________________
2009 FG XR8 Sensastion
Manual - Leather seats - Premium sound - Kings SSSL - Munroe GT Shocks - Herrod CAI - X-Force Stainless Quad tip Catback - Ballistic Cats - Pacemaker 4009's
Herrod Cams
Tuned by Real Dyno Performance
270rwkw
Destroyer XR8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 03:48 PM   #41
1LOUDXFUTE
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
1LOUDXFUTE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Perth
Posts: 1,533
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by burnz
joshvee (9.6 L per 100 km on my trip to Margeret River)
you dont buy a performance car and worry about fuel.
i think he was just saying that it was an added bonus.. not the main reason he bought the car
__________________
My BA XT Build Thread
1LOUDXFUTE is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 04:19 PM   #42
mrbaxr6t
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
mrbaxr6t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,505
Default

what I chose was the car I preferred - are there faster cars in existence, I would say yes. Are there nicer looking cars out there, well that's a yes too, I chose the car that I wanted. I got one simple as that. 4vman if you make a purchase to please anybody but yourself you have sold out, buy what you want and when people attack your decision (they always do no matter what) file that in your dilligaf folder and move on.

And it is my belief that any and all cars can be altered to go faster or handle better or whatever you like should your car be lacking in some area.
__________________
Phantom, T56, leather and sunroof BAmk1 :yeees:

Holden special vehicles - for special people
mrbaxr6t is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 04:31 PM   #43
cjf
GT Hardcore
 
cjf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NSW
Posts: 889
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Vman
EXACTLY.
Im not suggesting any particular engine type, transmission type or car group... everyone else is drawing their own concussions based on their own "prejudices"..
4Vman your spot on , I amazed at the rants of some members above who obviously did not read your initial poll / question.They have their prejudices
and are blinded by a simple hypothetical question.
__________________
BF GT - 6spd ZF Auto - 292.8 rwkw 1/4 mile 13.385@ 108.32mph @ Willowbank 5/03/11. in Qualifiying STREET SERIES ROUND 7
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11295036
Cragsted Race Engines -http://cragsted.com.au/
BPR CAI , PACEMAKERS 4-1, BALLISTIC 100cell RACING CATS, CROW CAMS GTP,
K LINE , XFORCE ,PSI VALVE SPRINGS, MANLEY H BEAMS, SRP PISTONS & RINGS, ACL RACE BEARINGS MELLINGS BILLET OIL PUMP, POWERBOND UNDERDRIVES, TT1-160 THERMOSTAT.
cjf is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 04:43 PM   #44
Falcon Coupe
Clevo Mafia Inc.
 
Falcon Coupe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 10,496
Chairman's Award: Chairman's Award - Issue reason: The exceptional contribution made to AFF over an extended period of time. Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Your tireless efforts behind the scenes in keeping AFF the place it is. 
Default

Being so close in comparison i would steer away from numbers and buy the car that makes you want to go to the garage just to look at it.
Falcon Coupe is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 05:09 PM   #45
Fireblade
Wizard Member
 
Fireblade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Eastern Victoria
Posts: 3,999
Default

I'd buy the one I like the most (numbers and how fast dont bother me as I will modify it anyway) as for you couldnt care less which car you bought, IMO I think this a fishing thread to get people to argue over various types of cars more so probably to start an argument over the V8's and turbo's. I dont care as I like both anyway.
__________________
Frosty and FPR - Bathurst winners 2013
Fireblade is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 05:10 PM   #46
GQ_Smooth
Long live the inline 6
 
GQ_Smooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 556
Default

If I purely use my car for the road use then B, if it involves any off street action then A all the way. Anything can be modified to be faster. Being faster, more efficient actually means something otherwise we'd all still be in XF taxies. There is nothing wrong with buying with your heart instead of your head, but saying you like the V8 because it sounds great is no different than your partner saying she likes a certain style ring because it makes her fingers look thinner.
__________________
His
2007 Mazda 6 MPS Leather Pack

Hers
BFII Ghia
GQ_Smooth is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 05:15 PM   #47
GT0132
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
GT0132's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Miranda, NSW
Posts: 6,771
Default

Option B....Perception over reality
__________________
2005 BA MK2 FPV GT - 6 SPEED MANUAL , SILHOUETTE, SWISSVAX, SUNROOF, BILSTEIN AND LOVELLS, FACTORY GENUINE 19'S, X-FORCE STAINLESS QUAD CATBACK, ADVANCE HEADERS, 200 CPSI CATS, BLUEPOWER CAI, HERROD BREATHER KIT, 4:11 DIFF RATIO, MAL WOOD OPT 3+ CLUTCH, BILLET SHIFTER, MELLINGS 10227, NOW WITH REVERSE CAMERA/SENSORS, ALPINE SPEAKERS & SUB - CUSTOM TUNED TO 275 RWKW


NOW WITH A NEW ADDITION - 2017 MUSTANG V8 GT FASTBACK - , 6 SPEED AUTO IN PLATINUM WHITE,
GT0132 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 05:28 PM   #48
GT69
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
GT69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Barellan Point
Posts: 571
Default

I agree. Get the car YOU want. Even if it handles like a mule and drinks fuel like a drunk drinks beer, if its what you want, go for it!
GT69 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 05:37 PM   #49
seXCmont
EcoBoostin
 
seXCmont's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Morphett Vale, Adelaide
Posts: 600
Default

OLD SCHOOL 8 all the way for me. love the feeling love the looks love the sound. might not be nowhere near as quick or handle as good. but its something i enjoy driving and love to look at. might not be a real Performance car in some people eyes but its what i go for over anything else. I pay for the fuel so i dont care how much it chews up.
seXCmont is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:00 PM   #50
4Vman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
4Vman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
Default

For the record guys you're not helping me make a decision.. its purely a hypothetical based on a few perceptions ive seen on here over the years..



__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars..
4Vman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:03 PM   #51
xtreme
V8 Addict
 
xtreme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 733
Default

are you looking at buying a car 4V man?
__________________
I love listening to Cleveland's greatest hits!!!


My Collection:

The WEEKENDER:
1968 XT Fairmont (GT rep) - 351 clevo, pacemakers, 2.5" twin system, C10 auto, 2500 Hi-Stall, 3.45:1 LSD, 198 rwkw


The DAILY:
2003 BA GT, Citric Acid, exhaust, headers, cold air intake, 248 rwkw
xtreme is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:08 PM   #52
flappist
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 12,077
Default

This poll is very interesting. It really does highlight members' perceptions.

Various are convinced that this is a thinly veiled F6 vs V8 or T6 vs V8 whereas it could just as easily be one of the other hotly debated (and often mass debated) subjects such as:

T3 vs GT
XR6 vs XR8
FPV vs HSV
Alloytec vs DIVCT I6
Ecotec vs Intec
ZF vs ION
auto vs manual
supercharging vs turbocharging
windsor vs clevo
anything that is not BOSS vs BOSS
etc. etc. etc.

The only conclusive trend I can deduce is that for many members emotion clearly over rules logic or to put it in layman's terms, the little head thinks for the big head........
flappist is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:13 PM   #53
4Vman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
4Vman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreme
are you looking at buying a car 4V man?
Yes i am, but im always looking at buying cars, ive owned dozens of them. This poll wont sway my purchase at all, im merely trying to see peoples opinion on this topic because it is at the heart of many purchases....



__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars..
4Vman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:16 PM   #54
seXCmont
EcoBoostin
 
seXCmont's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Morphett Vale, Adelaide
Posts: 600
Default

what type of car are you looking at getting?
seXCmont is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:25 PM   #55
4Vman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
4Vman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by seXCmont
what type of car are you looking at getting?
Ive Looked at G6ET, XR8, GT, GT-E, F6, X5, SLine A4 Quattro, Senator and T.Territory. Pretty broadly!! Oh, its gong to be the wifes car...



__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars..
4Vman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:25 PM   #56
Fireblade
Wizard Member
 
Fireblade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Eastern Victoria
Posts: 3,999
Default

Without pointing out what the cars are how does anybody know? For all we really know it could be a VH V8 commodore vs an XU1 torana, on paper the commodore is faster but seat of the pants feel the torana would feel quicker, hypothetical theory Im not sure of real world figures of either it was just used to provide a point. It still would come down to personal preference of any car.
__________________
Frosty and FPR - Bathurst winners 2013
Fireblade is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:25 PM   #57
Mr Hardware
Flairs - Truckers Delight
 
Mr Hardware's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Brisbane Northside Likes: Opposite Lock
Posts: 5,731
Tech Writer: Recognition for the technical writers of AFF - Issue reason: The excellent how to on LPG jet cleaning. 
Default

usually cars that feel faster have the power in better places.
ie an alloytec VZ is acutally faster than an ecotec VY in 0-100. Which one feels better? The VY. Which one brings a smile to your face? The VY. Which one do i have overtaking confidence in? The VY.
__________________
Current: Silhouette Black 2007 SY Ford Territory TX RWD 7-seater "Black Banger"
2006-2016: Regency Red 2000 AUII Ford Falcon Forte Automatic Sedan Tickford LPG "Millennium Falcon"
Mr Hardware is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:27 PM   #58
Fireblade
Wizard Member
 
Fireblade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Eastern Victoria
Posts: 3,999
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Vman
Ive Looked at G6ET, XR8, GT, GT-E, F6, X5, SLine A4 Quattro, Senator and T.Territory. Pretty broadly!! Oh, its gong to be the wifes car...
Now thats better we know what your looking at, you posted this at the same time as my previous post. I think it would be better to ask your wife what car she would like rather than us IMO.
__________________
Frosty and FPR - Bathurst winners 2013
Fireblade is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:27 PM   #59
4Vman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
4Vman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 14,654
Default

Nobody.. (well appart from 1 has).. has actually thought laterally enough to consider this may be as simple as Auto v Manual trans.....



__________________
335 S/C GT: The new KING of Australian made performance cars..
4Vman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-06-2009, 06:28 PM   #60
DJR-351
I am Groot
Donating Member3
 
DJR-351's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burnett Heads, Qld
Posts: 6,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Vman
For the record guys you're not helping me make a decision.. its purely a hypothetical based on a few perceptions ive seen on here over the years..
Drive it, feels right, buy it......

Drive it, dont feel right, dont buy it......

No answer here can make you feel right......

Simple i fink......
__________________
..
McLaren F1
Dick Johnson Racing

"Those were the days when the cars were cars, they weren't built out of an Ikea pack like they are now and clothed in plastic; they were real cars." John Bowe
DJR-351 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply


Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 10:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL