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01-02-2010, 12:26 PM | #31 | ||
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The numbers are in:
Toyota’s U.S. Dealers May Lose $2.47 Billion a Month and Racall cost shareholders $ 21 billion
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01-02-2010, 01:14 PM | #32 | |||
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Well it looks like the culprit is a flawed Toyota design and not a fault of the part manufacturer, according to Toyota's own newsroom.....
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http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/m...er-153203.aspx That's a major "ouch". Steve
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01-02-2010, 01:48 PM | #33 | |||
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Here is a really good video of a guy disecting, to a point, a Toyota gas pedal. He references the patent, which is owned by CTS, the manufacturer, but he also quotes the CEO of CTS stating that "...the part was made to specifications from Toyota."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFp2yLBnNQ Meanwhile, CTS claims that the acceleration problems predate the use of their pedals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQHr2rECDy0 Wow, and even more, CTS only started making the pedals last year, while cars being recalled are older than that. Elkhart, Indiana-based CTS began producing the pedals last year at its Mississauga, Ontario, assembly plant when Denso was unable to supply enough for Toyota. Quote:
Read more on that at http://www.leftlanenews.com/pedal-su...es-toyota.html Steve
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01-02-2010, 02:00 PM | #34 | ||
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hmmm, I would have expected more media coverage about this...
Oh I forgot, it isn't a Ford so there's no need to dig a grave and bury it alive... |
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01-02-2010, 02:21 PM | #35 | ||
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Yeah, you have to go looking for it. If it was Ford they would be banging on your door to tell you about it.
My predictions..... Someday Toyota will have to come out and publically acknowledge that the flaw was based on their design specifications. They need to do this to help CTS recover lost stock value as a result of the recall. There will be more class action lawsuits than you can shake a stick at. The floor mat/pedal problem from November will be found to have been a warning shot of this issue but Toyota will be found to have been negligent and purposely mislead it's customers by blaming the floor mats. This will be the source of even larger lawsuits. As a result of the above prediction, people will see Toyota in a different light and they will not be automatically associated with top quality but rather as a company like the Big3 have at one time or another......putting profit ahead of consumers. Steve
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01-02-2010, 04:14 PM | #36 | |||
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Toyota pedal recall extends to Europe, China
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576BA0011FAC6 Quote:
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01-02-2010, 04:15 PM | #37 | ||
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THanks for the links Steve. And just watching now and this is starting to look a bit messy for toyota on am engineering level. It was already well and truly nasty on a PR, safety and sales basis. Not to mention lawsuits.....
I know other manufacturers (including Ford) have done things along these lines RE identify potential issues and not recalling cars immediately etc. but this is pretty damning given it is related to accelerator pedals and toyota knew about this design flaw from years ago..... They had internal reports from 2007 and by late 2008 they must have been working on a new design......otherwise it would never have been ready so soon. They have just had the laywers delaying the gov./class actions until this point. In the scale of 'dodgy design' over the years i'd say this is right up there if it is true that the original toyota design was faulty. This is way worse than the Firestone debacle on the explorer because the literally was poor supplier quality (albiet ford shoudl have taken action sooner) and while the pinto was a low point for Ford that design issue was after somone hit your pinto up the behind...it woudlnt' just explode while sitting in your garage or cruising along. This sticky gas pedal is a bit of a ticking time bomb it seems......
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01-02-2010, 05:47 PM | #39 | |||
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01-02-2010, 06:28 PM | #41 | ||
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Surely this must affect Australian Toyotas. The pedal must be the same design considering they are made all over the world and are near identical bar the RHD.
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01-02-2010, 06:46 PM | #42 | |||
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Something is a bit strange. The only reason it wouldn't affect Aus toyotas is if they used a diff pedal design entirely (RHD??)....which seems unlikely given toyota's wayof doing things with global parts design/sourcing....
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01-02-2010, 06:48 PM | #43 | |||
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who designed our camry/tojo/aurian peddles and where where they constructed?
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01-02-2010, 06:50 PM | #44 | ||
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Got an Aurion at work, I think I might have a poke around under the dash
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01-02-2010, 07:39 PM | #45 | |||||
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Seems there is a progressive deterioration. If my pedal was starting to feel slow I'd be getting it checked out. Seems others haven't
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02-02-2010, 01:33 PM | #46 | |||
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There will be people getting busted for cover-ups, mud will be slung, fingers will be pointed, and this is going to be soooooooo messy. Steve
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02-02-2010, 04:20 PM | #48 | |||
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I dont' know how i feel about manufacturers offering 'incentives' to defect to be honest.....Ford included. Is this common practice in the US marketplace (car business or otherwise...)? Seems a bit tacky.... Doing when Chyrsler/GM were bankrupt is one thing but over a safety issue...... Either way, Toyota is in for a world of trouble... More on the reason why Aussie toyotas are NOT affected from one of the local toyota mob.... http://carpoint.com.au/news/2010/toy...ituation-18162 key bit.... Quote:
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03-02-2010, 09:35 AM | #50 | ||
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Ford sales look on the up.
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03-02-2010, 12:39 PM | #51 | |||
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Here is a very good article with very good pictures on the inner workings of both pedals.
Why Toyota Must Replace Flawed CTS Gas Pedal With Superior Denso Pedal http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why...r-denso-pedal/ There is WAY too much to copy and paste here. Also there are many excellent pictures and some diagrams you need to see. Here is a scathing comment in the article.... Quote:
One thing the author fails to realize is that Toyota does not have over 2 million of these pedals to put into the cars in the US, not to mention the 8 million world wide. It would take a while to produce all these pedals. This is a logistics element that Toyota has to swallow. I further predict that while the repairs are being made to over 2 million cars in the US, people who's pedal will have already been "fixed" will still experience the run-away acceleration that can occur while idling, or the sudden acceleration that can occur while maintaining cruising speed. This will point out the still existant root cause of these conditions which will NOT be a result of the pedal "sticking", but rather an electical issue that has yet to be discussed in public, or to the NHTSA. That will be a PR disaster for Toyota. We'll see. Steve
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03-02-2010, 12:48 PM | #52 | ||
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From hero to zero !
Toyota sales plummet 16% in one month > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/02/b...ecall-edition/ I can see the American brands / government to milk this situation for everything.
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03-02-2010, 01:28 PM | #53 | |||
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03-02-2010, 01:58 PM | #54 | ||
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Don't be too impressed by Ford's numbers. Remember, January 2009 was in the middle of the economy crash and the concern that all the Big3 were headed towards bankruptcy. Sales were really bad and are not too hard to surpass now.
I am glad to see the good news. It does show things are better than a year ago, but I keep the relevency in the front of my mind too. The biggest thing for me now is to see Ford making profit each month as opposed to the years of losing money. This is the measuring stick I am going by. Steve
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03-02-2010, 02:10 PM | #55 | ||
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Hopefully the big 3 can take advantage of Toyota's problem and restore some faith with the buyers. (who have in the past fled to the Japanese models)
Go for the throat and play the patriotic card. Healthy American Ford/GM means healthy Australian Ford/Holden.
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04-02-2010, 09:10 AM | #56 | ||
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The patriotic card has not worked here for the auto market. The paradigm that Japanese cars are much better than American cars is deeply engrained. At one time that was true, but that is not the case anymore. Unfortunately people already have the paradigm so they don't feel a need to keep up with the changes in the industry.
Believe me, when they actually understand the difference at Ford and learn what the quality level is now (exceding Toyota and Honda based on 3rd party evaluation) they will say "Well when did all this happen?" Steve
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04-02-2010, 09:16 AM | #57 | ||
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Yet another article about Toyota recall, transport minister puts foot in mouth telling everyone owning Toyota's to not drive them then instantly reneges.
http://www.examiner.com/a-2455949~To...over_risk.html Toyota woes just keep coming. |
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Now Prius caught in Toyota nightmare
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Was it known there in Australia about Toyota having to buy back 6 years worth of Tacoma trucks in the US because the frames rust in half? They were/are buying them back at 150% of their value to make the owners happy.
In regions where salt is used on the roads in the winter (like here in Ohio) the frames get eaten up, swiss cheesed, and break in half. This was mentioned on the news programs, once, and then never talked about again. This is the media coverage we are used to when it comes to Japanese auto makers problems. I guess Toyota is having just too many problems now to ignore. Quote:
They also have a problem with the frames on the full sized Tundra truck (their F-150 fighter) rusting out in certain areas causing the spare tire underneath to fall off. http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/to...n-2525363.html Quote:
And there are a few more recalls and pro-active notifications. Years ago when Ford was in this situation it was usually a leading story on the news......."Another Ford recall for the beleaguered car maker...." Steve
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