NSW Speed Camera Tolerance to be 0kph - Page 2

**Dave R** · 28-03-2011, 12:40 AM

Wow, being fined for going 1km/h over. What a ****ing joke.

NSW has gone down the toilet. First safety cameras that just distract you from the road, now zero tolerance on all cameras? So if you are on cruise control at 70km/h and it creeps to 71km/h through a camera zone you have committed a crime, lose a point on your licence and get fined. There NEEDS to be a tolerance, it's common sense.

Do they think that reducing the tolerance from 3km/h to zero will make a difference? Aren't the cameras supposed to make the roads safer? People are paranoid enough as it is, if this crap goes through they will have their eyes absolutely glued to the speedo (and not on the road where they should be) through every camera zone.

Why the hell does the state debt recovery office have a say in how "safety" devices should be calibrated? That just about says it all.

Donny · 28-03-2011, 12:04 PM

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Why the hell does the state debt recovery office have a say in how "safety" devices should be calibrated? That just about says it all.

Yeah, the state is in massive debt, and this is how they plan their recovery... (said very tongue in cheek)

SB076 · 28-03-2011, 12:45 PM

Yes it is revenue raising pure and simply, in regards to the legalaties of it all, Vic has been using 3k tolerance for some time and many have fought fines in court and lost (fine has been withheld, plus on top of the fine there would be your own legal costs)

Streets · 28-03-2011, 12:46 PM

Not good enough in my opinion -- they should be set to -3% to make sure nobody is even approaching the speed limit. Several times I have been travelling at 58-59kph and felt my car shuddering in anticipation of reaching the speed limit and spinning wildly out of control. Who knows what would have happened if I had not applied the brakes and pulled over to calm my nerves

HULK EF · 28-03-2011, 12:57 PM

what next? a black box linked to the RTA/police indicating throttle application? More than 75% Fine'able..
And a gas metre installed in the seats to fine those who Fart in their cars with a "cabon tax"?

F'ing stuipid laws.. The cops will be absolutely inundated with fineable offences.. Bet some cops do not believe in this latest revenue raiser and will probably apply common sense..

-Can see a breathing tax coming soon too..

**Polyal** · 28-03-2011, 03:10 PM

Just to annoy you Hulk black boxes will be here soon enough, if not already, just so you cant make a clam if you are done speeding and have an accident.

jpd80 · 28-03-2011, 03:18 PM

I heard a rumor that the RTA had reduced the demerit points from 3 points to 1 point for minor speeding infringements.
So I guess the gestapo won't take your license off you going over by 1 or 2 kph, no they get the revenue 12 times over...

XWGT · 28-03-2011, 03:24 PM

Guys, I think you need to re read the proposal

What they are considering is removing the 3kph TOLERANCE that is currently built into all fines.

You will see currently you will have

Detected speed 67
Tolerance 3
Alleged Speed 64

While I hate speed cameras with a passion, this one is a bit of a beat up as its simply an admin issue not a detection issue (as you will notice you do not get fined for 64 in a 60 zone less 3kph tolernace fined for 61. This might also give some hint as to the real tolerance built into the system. If anyone has been fined with a detected speed of less than 63kph in a 60 zone I would love to see the ticket.

Rodp · 28-03-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I heard a rumor that the RTA had reduced the demerit points from 3 points to 1 point for minor speeding infringements.
So I guess the gestapo won't take your license off you going over by 1 or 2 kph, no they get the revenue 12 times over...

It's been that way for awhile.

Under 10kph is 1 demerit for a full licence holder. 2 demerits if it's a school zone. 4 demerits for an L or P plater.

**ebxr8240** · 28-03-2011, 03:56 PM

YEP .. When I cannot keep with in average speed limit on ROADS I PAY TOLLS on to sit in car park ..
The gov and RTA should re-imburse my tolls...
They shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways...

**redxm** · 28-03-2011, 05:29 PM

the old tire filled with petrol slung over the camera seems to be the preferred method of paying a fine for our English cousins

Ben73 · 28-03-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by redxm

the old tire filled with petrol slung over the camera seems to be the preferred method of paying a fine for our English cousins

In USA they just shoot them.

Apparently the speed camera in Lochinvar used to only get west bound traffic. One night a farmer took care of the camera himself with his shotgun.
When they fixed the camera, they set it up to get west bound as well as east bound traffic.
So that sorta back fired.

The most annoying cameras are those ones in the back of stupid black Territory's.
Guess you can't shoot them with a shotgun unless you want to be charged with attempted murder of the bludger sitting in the car.

TheInterceptor · 28-03-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

The most annoying cameras are those ones in the back of stupid black Territory's.
Guess you can't shoot them with a shotgun unless you want to be charged with attempted murder of the bludger sitting in the car.

Train horn, six 8" spotties and a massive dual battery kit...at most...

atec77 · 28-03-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And you do realise that the ADR which is a federal law wins hands down here?

You can appeal the current stupid fines because your speedo doesnt read withing a 3kmh tolerance. Anyone who pays these fines without appealing it is just pandering to government stupidity and a law which cant work.

Having spoken to a couple of QLD cops about NSW speed camera laws they have said the same thing. Appeal it as its your speedo can be out by +-10% on cars prior to 2006.

After 2006 speedos are to accurate to only plus 10%
(If im reading the ADR right!)

So if you have a pre 2006 car... dont pay ya fine!

Happily I don't live in NSW however if I were to get such a cam flash it would be challenged , over last certified speed calibration ,weather conditiond traffic situation and most anything including who installed it and are they certified to do so , odds are there are thousands of fines issued everdsay with dodgy camera installs

atec77 · 28-03-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

In USA they just shoot them.

Apparently the speed camera in Lochinvar used to only get west bound traffic. One night a farmer took care of the camera himself with his shotgun.
When they fixed the camera, they set it up to get west bound as well as east bound traffic.
So that sorta back fired.

The most annoying cameras are those ones in the back of stupid black Territory's.
Guess you can't shoot them with a shotgun unless you want to be charged with attempted murder of the bludger sitting in the car.

Last time one of those was working on the Beaudesert Rd near here a passing high speed car bombed it with a petrol bomb , it never returned and the operator was just a tad miffed

Roast pork...

Ben73 · 28-03-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by atec77

Last time one of those was working on the Beaudesert Rd near here a passing high speed car bombed it with a petrol bomb , it never returned and the operator was just a tad miffed

Roast pork...

There are a lot of drop kicks around that like to destroy things.

These people need to put their effort into doing this to speed cameras which would be a public service.

flappist · 28-03-2011, 10:58 PM

The ultimate way to solve the whole speed camera problem is simple.

If EVERYONE took off their number plates the the whole system would fall over and there is NOTHING govco could do about it.......

Ben73 · 28-03-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The ultimate way to solve the whole speed camera problem is simple.

If EVERYONE took off their number plates the the whole system would fall over and there is NOTHING govco could do about it.......

There would always be the people who wouldn't protest.

But if i did happen the government will suddenly find a lot of spare police officers that will pull over everyone possible and fine them.

**ebxr8240** · 28-03-2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

There would always be the people who wouldn't protest.

But if i did happen the government will suddenly find a lot of spare police officers that will pull over everyone possible and fine them.

Then they should all take it to court !!!

burnz · 28-03-2011, 11:58 PM

camera tolerance and allowable speed are seperate..
as it stands now +4 allowable,+3 camera tolerance =7 total

flappist · 29-03-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

There would always be the people who wouldn't protest.

But if i did happen the government will suddenly find a lot of spare police officers that will pull over everyone possible and fine them.

So the government would pull over every VOTER possible and fine them?

There is a very recent example of what happens when a government completely loses the plot.......

hydraulicmonkey · 29-03-2011, 09:41 AM

ISA for everyone yayyyyy!!!!!

Just look at your speedo and not the road. What's everyones problem?

xe351 · 29-03-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The ultimate way to solve the whole speed camera problem is simple.

If EVERYONE took off their number plates the the whole system would fall over and there is NOTHING govco could do about it.......

i was actually just thinking this....... the trouble would be convincing everyone to do it.

Maybe we need to start thinking out of the box, how do these camera's work? eg infrared? and what can be done to avoid them? (heated lamp behind the plate??) sure it sounds dodgy, but it is neccessary in an unjust system. Or maybe go transporter style, hit the button and your plates flip over - this sounds good lol.

lived in vic for 3 years, and was happy as larry to leave, now it looks like nsw will be worse

**Polyal** · 29-03-2011, 11:21 AM

Or better yet try convincing everyone to drop 5kph under the limit (or 10)..no fines = no revenue...that would pee them off.

Everyone just leaves 15mins early (give or take) to go to their destination.

flappist · 29-03-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Or better yet try convincing everyone to drop 5kph under the limit (or 10)..no fines = no revenue...that would pee them off.

Everyone just leaves 15mins early (give or take) to go to their destination.

That is all good in theory and in a small place like a city it is probably doable but when you are travelling long distances (300km++) such driving will take longer and expose you to more danger from mixing with other cars (and trucks).

The other issue is who pays for this extra travelling time? Or do you happyfor everything you buy to go 10% to cover increased costs?

platinumXR · 29-03-2011, 06:02 PM

The current tollerance for all speed cameras is 10% + 3km/h in any given speed zone (in N.S.W.)

I doubt very much that, that tollerance will be lowered.

There is the potential for certain "safety camera's" in specific sites around Sydney at least; to have their tollerance lowered...but not to zero.

TheInterceptor · 29-03-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xe351

i was actually just thinking this....... the trouble would be convincing everyone to do it.

Maybe we need to start thinking out of the box, how do these camera's work? eg infrared? and what can be done to avoid them? (heated lamp behind the plate??) sure it sounds dodgy, but it is neccessary in an unjust system. Or maybe go transporter style, hit the button and your plates flip over - this sounds good lol.

lived in vic for 3 years, and was happy as larry to leave, now it looks like nsw will be worse

x2 for plate flipping.
Or a number of HID spotties aimed at the camera when going past, as you would on a terri cam.

Ben73 · 29-03-2011, 07:52 PM

There are heaps of plate flipping things on youtube.
But that only works if you know there is a camera ahead, if you don't know about it until its to late, it wont work.

x2 for HID Spotties

The work cars have good spotties and late at night if I see a cop parked on side of road on the highway, Ill turn off the spotlights and highbeam as common curtosy since there is clearly a cop sitting in thecar. But If I see a territory camera car I just burn their retinas because I don't respect them.

Since they don't have their headlights on while parked at night I legally don't have to dim mine, so why should I.

Adamz Ghia · 29-03-2011, 09:07 PM

Look, the only way to do anything about it is not to speed. And I don't mean that in a crabby "I'm so much better than everyone else" do gooder politically correct moron way, I mean it would take every single driver (including freight) wiping 10, maybe 20km/h off their speed. Watch the road network in Melbourne grind to a halt then...

fg_nitro · 29-03-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

There is no way this could get through, all machines are made with tolerances, even if you set cruise you will be out...same goes for gps type speed readouts linked to it.

Further more what are the error tolerances for the detectors themselves....surely they are not perfect regardless of how often they're calibrated.
?

We are expected to tolerate stupid governments their departments and regulations but they are intolerant of the voting public.

Where to from here?