Falcon XR6 Mk II ad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Page 2

rayner22 · 11-02-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Flappist, Ford published pictures of a drag race between the two at their proving ground, the EcoLPI had about a car length if I recall correctly. Although they did use a slight incline, so perhaps the EcoLPI's superior torque had a hand to play in it.

Well of course your BA XR6T will beat an NA XR6, although it wouldn't be "easy" to 100km/h - I know because I have done it with an FG XR6 (ZF) vs my mate's BAII XR6T (4 speed) - the XR6 demolished it off the mark, only once we got to interesting speeds did the turbo have the advantage for obvious reasons.

And since when was "thrill" simply about speed? As a family car they are plenty quick, 6.5 seconds to 100 kays is no slouch for a big NA sedan. An XR6 will beat most new cars on the road when you think about it. Ford is right to say they are a thrill, it's not just about straight lines, an XR6 with the ZF is a very well sorted car. I know I would have a lot more fun through some corners in a NA 6 speed XR6 than a 4 speed turbo - because I've done it in both.

Also Superfly is referring to the XR50 interior vs a regular XR6T.

Couldn't agree more.

At the end of the day,Ford marketing is targeting "the masses", e.g families and people who do not want a turbo or 8. Just a large family car. They are trying to put a bullet in SV6 sales....

T-Pak Addict · 11-02-2012, 06:09 PM

http://www.carpoint.com.au/reviews/2...ick-spin-25851

The important bit.....

As part of the drive program, Ford set up two outwardly identical XR6 Falcons for a drag at the Broadford racing circuit north of Melbourne. For the first run, the writer drove the anonymous LPI version (car #2) and found it to be substantially faster than the petrol variant. Forget about launching the car, since the ability of individual drivers and a slightly wet track could result in different outcomes, but the LPI Falcon would progressively haul away from the petrol car on the move. It was a fairly clear demonstration of the LPI Falcon's capacity to embarrass its petrol counterpart.

**Dave R** · 11-02-2012, 06:14 PM

As you can see they weren't far into the race and the LPI was already carving out a substantial margin. I'm interested to know what they will do down the quarter!

Auslandau · 11-02-2012, 06:14 PM

Freak sake! They do some advertising and suddenly its another "Bag the Falcon" - "Bag the ECOLPI" - "Bag the crap out of everything Ford on a Ford forum" fest. Once again those with some dooms day agenda's are on the band wagon again and would much rather look at a 1/2 empty cup ......

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The only problem is though they are advertising the wrong car as there is nothing"thrilling" about an XR6 and people will probably be disappointed.

Started with this comment which is OFF TOPIC to the rest of the conversation and not warranted nor appreciated by those who do have these cars. Believe it or not there are many on here who own and like there FG XR6's and think they are exciting enough for them .....

PLEASE keep threads on topic and stop this continual negativity that is so constant of late. It is argumentative, craps on other peoples cars and is really not necessary on these pages.

LS1 is a great site for those who are not interested in these things and just want to see everything so damn negative!

MercuryT · 11-02-2012, 06:15 PM

[quote=Adrenaline]speeds did the turbo have the advantage for obvious reasons.

And since when was "thrill" simply about speed? quote]

Ps: What else does "thrill" mean then mate?? ha ha.

MercuryT · 11-02-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Freak sake! They do some advertising and suddenly its another "Bag the Falcon" - "Bag the ECOLPI" - "Bag the crap out of everything Ford on a Ford forum" fest. Once again those with some dooms day agenda's are on the band wagon again and would much rather look at a 1/2 empty cup ......

Started with this comment which is OFF TOPIC to the rest of the conversation and not warranted nor appreciated by those who do have these cars. Believe it or not there are many on here who own and like there FG XR6's and think they are exciting enough for them .....

PLEASE keep threads on topic and stop this continual negativity that is so constant of late. It is argumentative, craps on other peoples cars and is really not necessary on these pages.

LS1 is a great site for those who are not interested in these things and just want to see everything so damn negative!

OK, ignore my recent posts all. Good pick up and fair enough......

**Dave R** · 11-02-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Started with this comment which is OFF TOPIC to the rest of the conversation and not warranted nor appreciated by those who do have these cars. Believe it or not there are many on here who own and like there FG XR6's and think they are exciting enough for them .....

PLEASE keep threads on topic and stop this continual negativity that is so constant of late. It is argumentative, craps on other peoples cars and is really not necessary on these pages.

LS1 is a great site for those who are not interested in these things and just want to see everything so damn negative!

Exactly!! Ford has every right to advertise the XR6 as thrilling because they ARE a great drive! Those who think that the only thrill you can get whilst driving is mashing the pedal to the firewall and breaking all the speed limits need to broaden their perspective, there is so much more to a car then outright pace and XR6s aren't even slow to begin with. Calling them slow and not thrilling is very rude to the owners as well, I've owned both NA and Turbo FGs and they are awesome cars to drive. It's good that Ford are trying to spread the message.

jpd80 · 11-02-2012, 06:27 PM

I wonder, maybe half page ad with discounted Territory RWD in petrol and Diesel would really push sales along....

phillyc · 11-02-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder, maybe half page ad with discounted Territory RWD in petrol and Diesel would really push sales along....

Saw an advert the other day that did just that. Promoting both the FG2 Falcon and SZ Territory. There was a picture of each.

FG2 XR6 at $36,990 driveaway. The other a picture of the SZ Territory RWD at $39,990 driveaway for petrol and $42,490 driveaway for the diesel.

Road Games · 11-02-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

All I can say is "wow". If you beat everything in a traffic light GP (claiming you came from a WRX in 4.7 sec) with a taxi is a fantastic story, or the other (perfromance - eg GTR, WRX, Evo) cars weren't trying surely....? (and chose because of different interior from base XR6 to TXR6?) .

Menace, you should be proud of your car mate, if you are a young bloke they are very fast compared to the "rank and file". When you drive a T with 2k of mods (tune etc) and near 300rwkw you will understand what I am saying about thrilling.....

Lol i am fairly young mate lots of people think i am very immature

I also drive a 11sec Typhoon and although you will never find out, my XR6 is indeed quite thrilling...

music189 · 11-02-2012, 07:56 PM

theres a story in the AGE drive today about aussies wanting performance cars so why dont people buy the XR6 and Turbos they spend 155000 on benzs etc when they could buy an xr6T every 6 months maybe ford needs a shooting brake FGII !!!
It's fast, not famine, for Aussie buyers
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February 11, 2012

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''Those facts indicate that we like driving; we like things going quickly and performance is a strong motivator, particularly in the luxury segment.''

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MercuryT · 11-02-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6menace

I also drive a 11sec Typhoon and although you will never find out, my XR6 is indeed quite thrilling...

I caused this fuss so im not going to inflame the thread again...ha ha.

But im intrigued - how is your NA XR6 as thrilling as your "11 Sec Typhoon"? Jet engine?

jpd80 · 11-02-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

I caused this fuss so im not going to inflame the thread again...ha ha.

But im intrigued - how is your NA XR6 as thrilling as your "11 Sec Typhoon"? Jet engine?

I stepped straight out of a rental Omega back into a company XR6, the change in acceleration nearly gave me a nose bleed.......

Bossxr8 · 11-02-2012, 08:24 PM

Just need to remember that an FG XR6 will outrun an AUII XR8 and VTII SS, to give you a basic idea of how far performance has come in such a short period of time.

A 14.6 quarter from a stock 6 is nothing to be sneezed at.

Bossxr8 · 11-02-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Freak sake! They do some advertising and suddenly its another "Bag the Falcon" - "Bag the ECOLPI" - "Bag the crap out of everything Ford on a Ford forum" fest. Once again those with some dooms day agenda's are on the band wagon again and would much rather look at a 1/2 empty cup ......

Started with this comment which is OFF TOPIC to the rest of the conversation and not warranted nor appreciated by those who do have these cars. Believe it or not there are many on here who own and like there FG XR6's and think they are exciting enough for them .....

PLEASE keep threads on topic and stop this continual negativity that is so constant of late. It is argumentative, craps on other peoples cars and is really not necessary on these pages.

LS1 is a great site for those who are not interested in these things and just want to see everything so damn negative!

Have any of the mods considered banning the same people who push the same doom and gloom agendas over and over again, thread after thread.

Its really starting to get on a lot of peoples nerves and I for one am sick of the same drivel ruining every thread about the Falcon. Its like their is a hundred Paul Govers in here.

rev · 11-02-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

I disagree.

Ive had my BAT (with 2-3K mods) for over 5 years and wouldnt change for a NA FG XR6 in a million years. Id love an FG F6 though, the best FG perfomance car. Each to their own I guess.......

Good for you. If Ford had to rely on Turbo to make money they would go broke. I have an '11 NA XR6 that runs 98 RON all the time. I don't care what I can or cant beat, the car has all the power and torque I will ever need. I wouldn't swap my NA for your old BA T for anything.

superfly · 11-02-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

All I can say is "wow". If you beat everything in a traffic light GP (claiming you came from a WRX in 4.7 sec) with a taxi is a fantastic story, or the other (perfromance - eg GTR, WRX, Evo) cars weren't trying surely....? (and chose because of different interior from base XR6 to TXR6?) .

Did you notice the smiley face? I know it won't beat everything at the traffic light GP, I was highlighting the fact that the car is quick enough and quicker than a lot of cars on the road. Geez, even my wife's WRX will beat my XR50.

And as mentioned, I have a XR50 which has the dual zone climate a/c, piano black interior, leather/suade seats and colour screen which all makes the interior very nice compared to the stock XR6/XR6T.

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

I disagree.

Ive had my BAT (with 2-3K mods) for over 5 years and wouldnt change for a NA FG XR6 in a million years. Id love an FG F6 though, the best FG perfomance car. Each to their own I guess.......

As you said each to their own. You should buy my WRX, it will show you how "thrilling" a car can be moreso than your BA

1TUFFUTE · 12-02-2012, 03:56 AM

"I feel sorry of the Holden fans in this country, they have nothing to be proud of any more, there cars are slower, use more fuel, have outdated technology compared to the Fords, and drivers that duy Holdens know they're buying an inferior product. In the V8 supercars they're so desperate to win they have stacked the field to the point that 3/4 of the cars are Holdens, every time Ford wins the Championship, Holdens buys the driver or the whole team ... it's quite sad really. FPV cars are better than the HSV cars, The Territory is better than the Captiva, The Fiesta & Focus are better then the Barina, The Mondeo is better than the Cruse, The Falcon is better than the Commodore, Ford Utes are better then Holden Utes and the Ranger is better then the Colorado. No matter how many people buy a Holden, they are still inferior and everyone knows it .... I hope Holden can improve, for the Austrlian car industry's sake, but Ford fans can be proud of the ground breaking effort Ford is making accross the whole range of superior cars they make"

This is a quoted comment from a guy on the article posted above earlier....what a champ. Its so true tho...ive been saying it for years now

**buggerlugs** · 12-02-2012, 07:19 AM

I sometimes think I'm reading on bogan.com.au rather than fordforums.com.au with some of the comments that appear on here..........

csv8 · 12-02-2012, 10:44 AM

thrill (thrl)
v. thrilled, thrill·ing, thrills
v.tr.
1. To cause to feel a sudden intense sensation; excite greatly.
2. To give great pleasure to; delight. See Synonyms at enrapture.
3. To cause to quiver, tremble, or vibrate.
v.intr.
1. To feel a sudden quiver of excitement or emotion.
2. To quiver, tremble, or vibrate.
n.
1. A quivering or trembling caused by sudden excitement or emotion.
2. A source or cause of excitement or emotion.
3. Pathology A slight palpable vibration that often accompanies certain cardiac and circulatory abnormalities.

MercuryT · 12-02-2012, 11:20 AM

I thought Auslandia (mod) made it pretty clear that all this discussion was off topic.....the topic is about the ad!

I admitted I caused the fuss (accidentally) with a different point of view of the NA XR6, "over and out" from me.......

Mitch_ · 12-02-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

I caused this fuss so im not going to inflame the thread again...ha ha.

But im intrigued - how is your NA XR6 as thrilling as your "11 Sec Typhoon"? Jet engine?

going fast in a car isn't everything.. and maybe people will also get a thrill out of owning a NEW car not some old second hand BA T (with 2-3k of mods)!

mik · 12-02-2012, 12:25 PM

yes i too would agree the xr6 is pretty rapid, having not driven one later than my Au vct and then driving my mates 6 speed auto equipped xr6, giving it the beans from the lights it was like ..........holy jezus this thing has some go, it would destroy a lot of our old school factory hotrods with no doubt, i might add my mate on his first outing was stunned at the overtaking perfomance of na xr6, he said, " i overtook a car on the highway going up a hill when i looked down at the speedo still going up the hill !!.......... it was doing to my shock over the ton and still climbing in speed............going up hill !!!".
no it does`nt have the turn of speed of the current blown factory hotrods, but you`d have to be smoking some good stuff to have the word slow and xr6 in the same sentance.
i hate to be ignorant ....but whats a bat?

Auslandau · 12-02-2012, 12:39 PM

C'mon ..... MercuryT has done the right thing and has been good enough to apologies up about the comment but it just keeps going on .... and on .... and on.

There are other places to discuss the 'thrill' of an FGXR6 .......

jpd80 · 12-02-2012, 01:24 PM

It's all well and good for Ford and Holden to be advertising products and offering discounts but are buyers responding?

That's the key to all of this, just how confident are businesses and retail buyers at the moment with interest rates rising...

This could be one step froward, two steps back until some of the mining boom money filters through to the rest of the community.

P6LTD351 · 12-02-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

i hate to be ignorant ....but whats a bat?

BA Turbo

mik · 12-02-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

BA Turbo

thank you sir.

2011G6E · 12-02-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

In Courier Mail, 11/02/12..Ford have a half page ad for the new XR6 !!
"The New Thrill on The Block". 18" alloy wheels, projector headlamps, USB integration, 8" colour screen, reverse sensing system. $36,990 drive away.
Ford are finally starting to advertise the FG 11. !!!

WHAT!!!!??????

I'm sorry...but "advertising" and "Falcon" are two words that most people find shocking to see in the same sentence...

MercuryT · 12-02-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

WHAT!!!!??????

I'm sorry...but "advertising" and "Falcon" are two words that most people find shocking to see in the same sentence...

Agree, it is strange isnt it! Hopefully a sign for the future of Ford.....

martyk54 · 12-02-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

FPV cars are better than the HSV cars, The Territory is better than the Captiva, The Fiesta & Focus are better then the Barina, The Mondeo is better than the Cruse, The Falcon is better than the Commodore, Ford Utes are better then Holden Utes and the Ranger is better then the Colorado. No matter how many people buy a Holden, they are still inferior and everyone knows it ....

What you've said there is true for the most part, especially if we're talking critically. So the question is, how exactly do the Ford executives explain this with regards to sales figures? This has been the way for years too, not just in the current range from either brand.

On the topic of advertising, there lies your answer. Ford get the fundamentals of car development right and seemingly most of everything else wrong. Sales speak for themselves.