Nissan GT-R Stigma/Attitude? - Page 2

**Dave R** · 21-03-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

Take this one video on Youtube for example of a Bugatti vs'ing a GT-R, its not a drag race but rather a drag time, and the Bugatti end up winning it but because of reaction time the GT-R would have won if it was a drag race, I simply stated the obvious which was, the GT-R has no airbags, no aircon, one seat, no dash and is basically full racing spec and likely not street legal, but not one of them can actually see my point?

There's a video up at the moment of a high powered BF beating a GTR on the roll. It's fairly obvious the BF was going to win, but in came the GTR fanboys who could not possibly believe that something beat a GTR - in came the excuses - the GTR is a better track car, the GTR wasn't trying, the Falcon is just a taxi, the GTR is so much better bla bla bla. No doubt comments from 14 year old school kids who have never driven a GTR and would be scared s**tless driving a 370+rwkw XR6T. That's what annoys me, the blind idiots with no car knowledge, but they've seen every Top Gear episode....

blackf6 · 21-03-2012, 04:39 PM

I have a stigma against gtr's. I hated it when they beat everything round Bathurst.

Nikked · 21-03-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SuspectEB

Something about 2 tons, automatic trans, leather interior, 20zzzz, and over the top electronics.
Gtr is not a performance car. Porshe gt2 rs is.
So I don't get how people can argue those two.
SLS AMG is more of a gtr competitor.

Fan boys will always argue no Matter what.

Gtr does laps well for a luxury barge. I can see and like that. But i can also see what its not what so many people think it is. It's not a BNCR32/3/4.

A GT-R not a perfomance car? When the "black edition" does 0-60mph in under 3 seconds?

Hmmm...

I think there is more of a stigma against GT-Rs...

Not a performance car...what a crock of crap

XR6Naranja · 21-03-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by teak81

I have a stigma against gtr's. I hated it when they beat everything round Bathurst.

Haha, yes sadly that will happen again.

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

There's a video up at the moment of a high powered BF beating a GTR on the roll. It's fairly obvious the BF was going to win, but in came the GTR fanboys who could not possibly believe that something beat a GTR - in came the excuses - the GTR is a better track car, the GTR wasn't trying, the Falcon is just a taxi, the GTR is so much better bla bla bla. No doubt comments from 14 year old school kids who have never driven a GTR and would be scared s**tless driving a 370+rwkw XR6T. That's what annoys me, the blind idiots with no car knowledge, but they've seen every Top Gear episode....

Yeah I've seen that, it's amazing how much of a sore loser half of those people can be, they lose and yet just come up with all the excuses under the sun.

graham7773 · 21-03-2012, 04:49 PM

Same thinking as soccer fans killing each other. My lot's better than your lot. And they think they're justified.

TC200six · 21-03-2012, 04:49 PM

I do know there seems to be a lot of internet users who are hellbent on wanting the new GT-R entered in V8 Supercars. These people appear to be unaware that the series is called "V8 Supercars" and not "V8 Production cars" for a reason, the series is a controlled formula and there already is a category for the GT-R to race in - It's called the GT Championship.

TC200six · 21-03-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

Haha, yes sadly that will happen again.

What will happen again? I assume you mean the Bathurst 12 hour right? Nissan have a long way to go in getting a GT-R model fast enough to beat some of the other GT-class cars getting around there. Also, they need to sink quite alot of money in getting a competitive enough team and drivers

XR6Naranja · 21-03-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TC200six

What will happen again? I assume you mean the Bathurst 12 hour right? Nissan have a long way to go in getting a GT-R model fast enough to beat some of the other GT-class cars getting around there. Also, they need to sink quite alot of money in getting a competitive enough team and drivers

The technology is there, I'm sure Nissan would have no problems dealing with the rest, I mean I hope they don't, but doesn't look too promising.

**ebxr8240** · 21-03-2012, 05:15 PM

Ah what did gentle Jim say ???
The swear filter will restrict what he said..

This sort of stigma goes on with most cars..
When I imported our first WRX the comments ..
Are you bringing in for your son ??
Are going to sell it ???
Fair go why can't a 48 Year old buy what he wants..
People tend to stereotype you...

XR6Naranja · 21-03-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ebxr8240

Ah what did gentle Jim say ???
The swear filter will restrict what he said..

This sort of stigma goes on with most cars..
When I imported our first WRX the comments ..
Are you bringing in for your son ??
Are going to sell it ???
Fair go why can't a 48 Year old buy what he wants..
People tend to stereotype you...

Yeah I do see the same a lot for WRX as well.

**ebxr8240** · 21-03-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

Yeah I do see the same a lot for WRX as well.

Aha I don't wear a cap though !!! Not even backwards !!!!
Oh no cannon either .. Thats for the wannabe's...

XR6Naranja · 21-03-2012, 05:27 PM

Haha mate good on you, I hate cannons, I can fart in a can record it and play it through my speakers and it'll sound the same.

Matty 31 · 21-03-2012, 05:45 PM

As a GTR owner (of a track variant, as i like my licence a little too much), and being an all round motoring enthusiast, I can see what you guys are saying. Theres some people that are blue blooded 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, V8 or rotary fanatics, and to tell them that something is better than theirs would these days end up in a gangland style war. Personally, as nice as a lot of the European super cars are, they dont tickle my fancy. The thought of driving a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Merc or BMW M series doesnt cross my mind (as my mind says business man with too much coin LOL). I spose the same can be said for the Holden VS Ford VS Chrysler debates of the old days (when Valiants were cool and all haha)

Every car that has some sort of stigma / attitude has gained it for a reason i guess. WRXs and Lancer Evolution series gained a HUGE following after their successes in WRC, and by hell i can see why. They're friggin quick, nippy and darty on twisty bitumen and dirt, something that isnt impossible to do in a bigger sedan, but a damn sight harder.

The GTR - technology that was YEARS ahead at the time made them a crowd favourite for some, and enemy for others. Compared to a lot of technology these days, its pretty simple and still a bit dark ages, but by hell does it work (and in comparison to what was around at the time, it was VERY fancy)

I admit that i used to be one of those "*******" that thought there was nothing better than my type of car, and that V8s were a waste of space and all that, but over many years that has changed. Id love to have an old school muscle car with some rediculous big block 8 in it, to cruise around in and feel the rumble of. I spose its a personal preference

*but at the end of the day it IS satisfying to be able to stir up and then demolish a porsche owner at a track day. That is a goal this year

flappist · 21-03-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

Decent look on it, without seeming hypocritical, I'm thinking that maybe the GT-R is a little TOO advanced, I mean the Top Gear test shows the car with and without the traction control, and the car just doesn't do anything but accelerate and corner at such a precise level.

I think I'd be slightly bummed if I went to a skid pan just to drive around in circles because it wouldn't break loose.

Yes it has the ability to make the most pathetic driver look amazing by compensation for all the mistakes. THAT is what it is designed to do.

But then again that is also what automatic transmission does on drag strips, power steering does on corners and slow tight driving, ABS does in emergency braking, DSC does in bumpy corners etc. etc.

Just wondering how many of the "GTR haters" have a manual non power steering non power braked non airconditioned vehicle as their daily driver?

Or do you all have the various goodies that have been gradually made available on Falcon usually a few years?

SuspectEB · 21-03-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

A GT-R not a perfomance car? When the "black edition" does 0-60mph in under 3 seconds?

Hmmm...

I think there is more of a stigma against GT-Rs...

Not a performance car...what a crock of crap

It's a gt car. It's fast, but luxurious and lot more comfortable then a true performence car.

Looks at Mclaren f1, areil atom, gt2 rs, Enzo ect ect.
Hell even The 90s gtrs. The35 is hell of a car, but not what performance car stands for.
Like I said, its more of a amg/m/quattro grand touring car. But can compete on the track.
V spex is bit more like it.

XR6Naranja · 21-03-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Yes it has the ability to make the most pathetic driver look amazing by compensation for all the mistakes. THAT is what it is designed to do.

But then again that is also what automatic transmission does on drag strips, power steering does on corners and slow tight driving, ABS does in emergency braking, DSC does in bumpy corners etc. etc.

Just wondering how many of the "GTR haters" have a manual non power steering non power braked non airconditioned vehicle as their daily driver?

Or do you all have the various goodies that have been gradually made available on Falcon usually a few years?

Well in all honesty and I'm sure you know as you're on a Ford forum, I drive a BA which does have all that, but I can say I've driven a non airconditioned truck for a while in the NT (It was hell) and also a small non power steering buzz box, so the past is there, I don't hate the GT-R however in my defence.

TheZHLANE · 21-03-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Yes it has the ability to make the most pathetic driver look amazing by compensation for all the mistakes. THAT is what it is designed to do.

But then again that is also what automatic transmission does on drag strips, power steering does on corners and slow tight driving, ABS does in emergency braking, DSC does in bumpy corners etc. etc.

Just wondering how many of the "GTR haters" have a manual non power steering non power braked non airconditioned vehicle as their daily driver?

Or do you all have the various goodies that have been gradually made available on Falcon usually a few years?

I lack all the goodies par the power brakes

SuspectEB · 21-03-2012, 06:23 PM

Yeah, my daily got no ac, heavy clutch manny, e series brakes (might aswell be in powered) and a Crappy power steering that don't work right. It's a heap, but I love it.

Matty 31 · 21-03-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuspectEB

Yeah, my daily got no ac, heavy clutch manny, e series brakes (might aswell be in powered) and a Crappy power steering that don't work right. It's a heap, but I love it.

You dont have a licence Dale, so that doesnt count

SuspectEB · 21-03-2012, 06:39 PM

Hey, hey. I used to drive to and from depot every day in a crap ea!

2011G6E · 21-03-2012, 06:39 PM

Probably a feeling of superiority because...well...the GTR Skyline was always superior to most other cars on the road, and could show a clean set of heels to a lot of cars who obviously actually believed "there's no substitute for cubic inches"...

If you want to be surrounded by flocks of non-existent fans, try owning a Celica...the most I ever heard them called was "hair-dressers cars"...

I think with the GTR Skyline, the "stigma" isn't against the car as such...they're a great piece of kit...the stigma is probably against some of the people driving them...

Cheese3 · 21-03-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TC200six

I do know there seems to be a lot of internet users who are hellbent on wanting the new GT-R entered in V8 Supercars. These people appear to be unaware that the series is called "V8 Supercars" and not "V8 Production cars" for a reason, the series is a controlled formula and there already is a category for the GT-R to race in - It's called the GT Championship.

Here is your v8 rwd R35
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GT-R_08_GT500.jpg

fou_bleu · 21-03-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

The technology is there, I'm sure Nissan would have no problems dealing with the rest, I mean I hope they don't, but doesn't look too promising.

What doesn't look promising? Nissan abiding by the rules?

Educate yourself about how Nissan came to be entering V8SC before jumping to completely stupid conclusions that Nissan would cheat like last time (which they didn't anyway, rules are rules and would we be dissing Ford's if the tables were turned and #17 did win after it DNF'd?)

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Originally Posted by Cheese3

Here is your v8 rwd R35
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GT-R_08_GT500.jpg

What's that got to do with the price of eggs in China? The car is the all-new Altima to be unveiled in New York next month...

dimka100 · 21-03-2012, 07:37 PM

Mate there is a guy on this forum that is a Ford die hard, he owns a bunch of some seriously modified Fords that most can only dream about ... recently he got a brand new blue GTR ... go ask him why he did that LOL ... I think it will be educational to all the GTR haters ...

TC200six · 21-03-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese3

Here is your v8 rwd R35
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GT-R_08_GT500.jpg

I'm aware of that special GT-R for the Japanese Super GT series. V8SC is a formula style touring car category and if something like that could participate, they might as well flood the series with Porsche 911s and other cars from GT categories.

Cheese3 · 21-03-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

Mate there is a guy on this forum that is a Ford die hard, he owns a bunch of some seriously modified Fords that most can only dream about ... recently he got a brand new blue GTR ... go ask him why he did that LOL ... I think it will be educational to all the GTR haters ...

Who is he? Is he well known or done anything good to cars worth posting on the forums?

Shonky. · 21-03-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

I think I'd be slightly bummed if I went to a skid pan just to drive around in circles because it wouldn't break loose.

Not being mean, but you sound like one of the kids on youtube you are talking about.

Godzilla earned it's place in history. People will always be unable to keep it in perspective and make outlandish claims and get carried away, but for me my GTR was the best car ownership of my life. 10 x better than the sterile GT I now own or the next cheapest equivalent back in the 90's

Streets · 21-03-2012, 09:13 PM

Saw a GT-R at the lights today (probably an 02 model maybe?) that was really nice. Usually the guys who own these things have riced the bejesus out of them and installed terrible sounding exhausts, but this one was real nice... deep polished black, standard wheels and height, tinted windows, quiet exhaust that still sounded good. For a few seconds, it made me want one.

MethodX · 21-03-2012, 10:03 PM

id never want one simply because its Japanese.
But i can respect what they have done with them.
Culture and marque mean more than stats to me.

saam · 21-03-2012, 10:14 PM

We may be all fanboys of a certain type of car or brand..

If you ever want to know why some GTR fans speak highly of their machine

go out and test drive one

Only then will you understand its driving presents

Just dont blame me if youd want to tade in your ford for it