QLD RBT Pullover Time to Double - Page 2

**Dave R** · 12-01-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8_ash

I have always believed that the cops should be able to ask/search ANYONE ANYTIME with NO reason .......

I imagine you are the kind of person that would bow to a dictator as well.

noflac52 · 12-01-2013, 06:27 PM

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But I do agree with the thought process of they are trying to do more than it seems they can, and if they overstep that boundary, you can always put in a complaint. But I would say an officer would understand there powers before excercising them on Joe Blow.[/QUOTE]

Don't count on the police officer knowing everything about human rights and the constitution, as someone said before they are just people doing a job. Many a defect has been issued and then removed by vehicle inspectors because there was no justification for it. The officer got it wrong. Because of this in NSW there is an undertaking by the RMS to assure the car enthusiast communtiy that the new legislation coming in is being taught to the traffic police to minimise mistakes. We are hoping that it is effective.

The priveliges you mention are in every facet of our lives in this country. Its called freedom and we should be able to go about our daily errands and jobs without harrassment from the authorities

Of course if you are doing something obviously wrong then we already have enough laws to cover this.

Bigdamo says that about 90% of this forum are probably driving illegally modified cars. Its his assessment but lets assume he's close. This means that 90% want more freedom than we have atm not less!

Springfield_Johny · 12-01-2013, 06:54 PM

Perhaps instead of wasting everyone's time by pulling them over for a random alcohol/drug test and checking persons details for warrants, vehicles for basic roadworthy they could put all those police in speed camera vans, feel free to drive through them as fast as you like so you won't be late

2011G6E · 12-01-2013, 07:33 PM

So what?
Sounds like they're going to just go back to what they used to always do. You'd get pulled over, breathalised, asked for your licence and registration as well, and the copper would usually do a walk-around of your car...shining the torch on tyres if it was dark...and have a squiz at the rego label.

No big deal...and if my car had been stolen, I'd prefer a little bit of attention given to the cars they were pulling up. Last time I got done for a random breath test, he just got me to blow in the bag and off I went...no check of my licence or rego.

4stanger · 12-01-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

So what?
Sounds like they're going to just go back to what they used to always do. You'd get pulled over, breathalised, asked for your licence and registration as well, and the copper would usually do a walk-around of your car...shining the torch on tyres if it was dark...and have a squiz at the rego label.

No big deal...and if my car had been stolen, I'd prefer a little bit of attention given to the cars they were pulling up. Last time I got done for a random breath test, he just got me to blow in the bag and off I went...no check of my licence or rego.

I tend to agree with the first half of your post, but times have changed.
Unlicensed drivers or people knowingly driving stolen cars, I would guess they would not stop at RBT's, they would hope the chasing police give up after a 1 minute or 1 kilometre

Bucknaked · 12-01-2013, 08:25 PM

Usually when we are in an RBT lineup, they do a quick look around the car. Rego label attached and valid, Tyres not bald, lights working. Seems the norm.

Ben73 · 12-01-2013, 08:32 PM

It's probably a good thing that they will be putting more effort into these roadside stops. There are many cars and people out there that they need to catch up with and get them off the road.

I haven't been pulled for a roadside RBT in over 2 years now, while driving 50,000kms a year. They probably should get out more.

**GasoLane** · 12-01-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8_ash

As I am not a criminal they are more than welcome to ask/look at anything they want. I have always believed that the cops should be able to ask/search ANYONE ANYTIME with NO reason .......

They already can, anywhere anytime, they only have to reasonably suspect there might be xxxxxx in the vehicle.

The RTA (now RMS) also have the power to do this to Trucks, not sure if they can do cars though.

deesun · 12-01-2013, 08:43 PM

And a rego recognition gizmo set up as you come into the RBT area would be good too.

my_gxl · 12-01-2013, 11:13 PM

Annual RWC would free up the extra time on just the cars, so the police might be able to attend call outs...or just bash a guys head into a brick wall.
(personal experience-funny 4 of them needed a turn each-really long story)

We don't need to give the police service any more powers. Some, (not all) have already let it go to their heads.

my_gxl · 12-01-2013, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Usually when we are in an RBT lineup, they do a quick look around the car. Rego label attached and valid, Tyres not bald, lights working. Seems the norm.

No rego labels in NSW will stuff the QLD cops around.

XR8_ash · 12-01-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

So you are not a criminal eh?

Would you like to have your emission compliance checked on your modded XR8 ute?

I would recommend that you spend a bit of time as an ordinary person in North Korea, Laos, Nigeria, Afghanistan or Burma etc. and see if you still think the same way......

LOL .... Well I chose to mod my car so If I got pulled and checked AND failed .... you know what ? I'd deal with it and except the fact that it failed due to something I done. I modded it so if it failed any test its MY fault. Not the "system". We all choose to mod our vehicles. No one but ourselves are to blame if it fails a legal test.

I've been to some parts of the world that you're referring to. After being there trying to align those countries with ours when it comes to our police being able to search our cars seems somewhat ...... well ... unorthodox and extreme.

Its the Police doing a quick search and look around our cars for dodgy stuff people. NOT a take over bid by some overzealous underground conspiricy theorist. Once again I carry nothing illegal so I don't car.

A "Police" state

XR8_ash · 12-01-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I imagine you are the kind of person that would bow to a dictator as well.

I imagine since you know nothing about me you might not be in a prime position to know exactly what kind of person I am.

**Captain Stubing** · 12-01-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deesun

And a rego recognition gizmo set up as you come into the RBT area would be good too.

The QLD Rego recognition gizmos are working well. The car fitted with the gizmo only has to drive past a vehicle of interest, and it sets off the alerts. Unfortunately it's often a Hire Company that hasn't got their car back by the due date and they report the car stolen, and they withdraw the charges once the customer pays them back.

There is the occasional good luck catch on the rego plate recogition system.... not just the unlicensed/unregistered... sometimes stolen cars are recovered.

2000auwagon · 13-01-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

I understand what your saying, and thats ok. The part I meant is, the license checks, quick check of passengers, noone has open containers of liquor. These are relevant and have an impact on whether or not you have the legibility to drive. Police have the power and right to investigate whether we are complying with legislation regarding our privilege to drive. And, like all things in policing, officers discretion plays a huge part, as well as compliance from the other party.
For instance:
Driving in my stock falcon, doing the speed limit and get pulled over;
Cop: "Youve been pulled over for the purpose of a random licence check and breath test"
Me: "Ok, heres my license"
Cop: "Everything in the car yours? Nothing you shouldnt have?"
Me: "Nah mate, all good, you can check if you want"
Cop: "thats fine, blow into this (with the correct requirement of course). Whats your name passenger?"
Passenger: "Shazza McShazz"
Cop: "Yeah your under mate, see you later"

Driving my EL with 3 inch exhaust with stockos on the back, cut springs and limo tint;
Cop:"Youve been pulled over for the purpose of a random licence check and breath test"
Me: "Whad I do, your all just picking on me!!!!"
Cop: "Everything in the car yours? Nothing you shouldnt have?"
Me: "Yeah its all mine, why, are you accusing me of something?"
Cop: (Looks around, cant see in the back, Im fidgeting, being a douchebag) "Mate, I reasonably believe that you may have *insert suspicious thing here* in your car, are you prepared to let me look through your car volountarily?"
Me: "Nup, get **********"

And so on.

But I do agree with the thought process of they are trying to do more than it seems they can, and if they overstep that boundary, you can always put in a complaint. But I would say an officer would understand there powers before excercising them on Joe Blow.

Police have been trained to suspect anyone that acts strange, erratic and generally anyone with an attitude, it shows you could have something to hide. If you act like a **** accusing the police that you are the only one being picked on, what do you expect them to do? Let you go and apologise to you for inconveniencing you? What a joke. If you have nothing to hide, why act like you are King **** thinking you can do whatever you like? Remember, it only takes one or two idiots to wreck it for everyone else, remember, the police are people too, and I am sure they don't like the idea of holding everyone up on their holiday on the highway just to catch one or two morons.

BHDOGS · 13-01-2013, 12:59 AM

ah the police the good old police spend more time with people your wrong and ******** dont talk to people long enough your rude and arrogant ahhhh the police those loveably larikins those human beings who do a job nobody understand whose done it woah to be them i say as people will ***** and moan whateva they do so no wonder they dont give a **** about most peoples opinions as your always wrong anyway so why bother.

GTP owner · 13-01-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by XR8_ash

As I am not a criminal they are more than welcome to ask/look at anything they want. I have always believed that the cops should be able to ask/search ANYONE ANYTIME with NO reason .......

People don't like this idea and that's because they are either crims, paranoid or believer their "right" have been impacted upon....

You wont feel so smug when they crack down on you for your modified XR8. Yes, you have broken the law if you don't have compliance for them. You should therefore follow your own advice and be prepared to be rodgered.

zipping · 13-01-2013, 09:54 AM

I'm always amazed how the govt/police can get away with invading our rights to go about our business in a lawful way and we don't scream blue murder.

If we look at how the American forefathers such as George Washington set up democracy we can see that they went to great lengths to enshrine a private citizens right to lawfully go about their business and protect their property.

The English system is based on innocent until proven guilty.

Your motor vehicle is your private property. If you are breaking the law I have no problem with police pulling you over and throwing the book at you.

The problem with mass RBT is that you are lawfully going about your business and the police are adopting a policy that everyone is GUILTY until they blow in the bag and prove themselves innocent.

I don't like this as a principal and of course then some bright spark goes yeh lets start looking for other crimes in the name of road safety. THE PUBLIC WILL BUY IT.

The police are merely fishing. They are ERODING our rights with excuse that they HOPE to catch a few bad apples. But really they are saying we are all guilty until they are satisfied that you are not. A dangerous precedent.

They should not have the right to stop Joe citizen lawfully going about his business unless they have justification to interrogate further. A RBT is not justification.

Police should police. They should base their decisions on evidence. Not guess or luck their way to convictions.

XR Martin · 13-01-2013, 10:18 AM

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Jim Goose · 13-01-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by zipping

Your motor vehicle is your private property. If you are breaking the law I have no problem with police pulling you over and throwing the book at you.

The problem with mass RBT is that you are lawfully going about your business and the police are adopting a policy that everyone is GUILTY until they blow in the bag and prove themselves innocent.

I don't like this as a principal and of course then some bright spark goes yeh lets start looking for other crimes in the name of road safety. THE PUBLIC WILL BUY IT.

The police are merely fishing. They are ERODING our rights with excuse that they HOPE to catch a few bad apples. But really they are saying we are all guilty until they are satisfied that you are not. A dangerous precedent.

They should not have the right to stop Joe citizen lawfully going about his business unless they have justification to interrogate further. A RBT is not justification.

Police should police. They should base their decisions on evidence. Not guess or luck their way to convictions.

So let me get this right... your saying that an RBT is infringing your right to drive drunk? Tell me how are Police supposed to catch people drink driving if they arent allowed to pull you over and breath test you?

You arent guilty until proven innocent when your pulled over in an RBT because thats the idea of an RBT is to catch you!

Do you wait until the driver runs into a tree? has an accident? then breath test him/her?

What about others drivers rights on the road to be NOT surrounded by people drugged off their skulls or drunk as a skunk?

Or are you saying people should ring up Police more often and dob in drivers more often? Good luck with that!

RBT has been around for decades, its not something new thats suddenly destroyed "your rights".....

The chances of a Police patrol seeing a drunk driver in the flesh is slimmer then running a booze bus somewhere near a night club strip or on a freeway where a lot traffic goes through and even then when they do pull someone over... thats just one driver caught as opposed to dozens caught in one RBT.

zipping · 13-01-2013, 12:17 PM

Way to miss the point. I'm saying that as a citizen I have the right to go about my business in a lwaful manner. I never said there were no benefits to RBT I just said that the principal goes against the foundation blocks that we built our society and laws upon. Innocent until proven guilty. RBT assumes you are guilty until you prove you are below the limit. Now Qld polioce want to do other police work at RBT's. It's the slow erosion of our freedoms that worries me.

Its a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line?

**Dave R** · 13-01-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8_ash

I imagine since you know nothing about me you might not be in a prime position to know exactly what kind of person I am.

Well I do know something about you- you are the kind of person that believes police should be able to stop and search anyone at any time without requiring a reason- and anyone who doesn't willingly submit to your police state is a paranoid criminal who mistakenly thinks they have rights. Those are your beliefs. Thus "I imagine" the person who believes that wouldn't be too phased by a dictator either, one usually comes after the other.

78xcgxl · 13-01-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8_ash

As I am not a criminal they are more than welcome to ask/look at anything they want. I have always believed that the cops should be able to ask/search ANYONE ANYTIME with NO reason .......

People don't like this idea and that's because they are either crims, paranoid or believer their "right" have been impacted upon....

And what if the cops happen to find a small bag of weed that one of your stupid mates or previous owner left behind and you get the punishment for it. Not to mention that cop searches can get real messy and if they damage anything you might not get compensated for it. All this could of been avoided if you kindly said "no officer i do not consent to searches, unless you have a warrant your more than welcome to". To answer your question no I am not a criminal and have never committed an offense, i just don't appreciate my car or house getting ripped apart.

zilo · 13-01-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

I agree but if you are car 12 in the que, the 90secs x 12 ,then thats a 15 minute delay.
Commonsense should apply , but will it,?? why do a roadworthy on 2012 car ???
I thought police had to have reasonable suspicion to search your car ? they cann't search your house without a warrant....Cann't their onboard pc check vehicle rego's etc ???
See how this works in real life.....

Nope...

If you are 12th in line in Victoria it will add 90 seconds to your trip.

That is because they have 5 police officers concurrently in the line.

zilo · 13-01-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by my_gxl

No rego labels in NSW will stuff the QLD cops around.

Got a letter from SA dept of transport to keep rego papers in glovebox at all times.

Seems reasonable thing to do.

getting the same as in the US me thinks.

my_gxl · 13-01-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugg

Got a letter from SA dept of transport to keep rego papers in glovebox at all times.

Seems reasonable thing to do.

getting the same as in the US me thinks.

No way I am keeping anything with my address in the car again mate.
My car got stolen and I know they came past my house too. Good thing I have a mean dog.

Govts created this issue-they can deal with it. My security comes first.

XR8_ash · 13-01-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

And what if the cops happen to find a small bag of weed that one of your stupid mates or previous owner left behind and you get the punishment for it. Not to mention that cop searches can get real messy and if they damage anything you might not get compensated for it. All this could of been avoided if you kindly said "no officer i do not consent to searches, unless you have a warrant your more than welcome to". To answer your question no I am not a criminal and have never committed an offense, i just don't appreciate my car or house getting ripped apart.

Is that comment for real mate ???? A "mate" leaving a bag of weed in my car ????? LOL LOL LOL LOL ..... Out of all the dumb comments in this forum and in this thread this must be the most stupid.
1. I don't rock around with people who smoke pot.

XR8_ash · 13-01-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Well I do know something about you- you are the kind of person that believes police should be able to stop and search anyone at any time without requiring a reason- and anyone who doesn't willingly submit to your police state is a paranoid criminal who mistakenly thinks they have rights. Those are your beliefs. Thus "I imagine" the person who believes that wouldn't be too phased by a dictator either, one usually comes after the other.

LOL .... Not even close mate... sorry.

Look lets just have a society where our Police are reactive and not pro active.

XR8_ash · 13-01-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

And what if the cops happen to find a small bag of weed that one of your stupid mates or previous owner left behind and you get the punishment for it. Not to mention that cop searches can get real messy and if they damage anything you might not get compensated for it. All this could of been avoided if you kindly said "no officer i do not consent to searches, unless you have a warrant your more than welcome to". To answer your question no I am not a criminal and have never committed an offense, i just don't appreciate my car or house getting ripped apart.

What is one of your mates put inapropriate kiddie movies on your computer and you took the fall ???? .... Oh hang on... Do you actually make a conscious effort to choose what type of people you be friend ???

LOL...... Its a long bow to draw but seriously that is how crazy some of the people seem to be in here. "WHAT ???? search my car ???? FN copper you are infringing on my rights, you work for a dictator therefore I'm going to push back on this...." ....

XR8_ash · 13-01-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I imagine you are the kind of person that would bow to a dictator as well.

So tell me what you do when you go to an airport and are randomly searched for traces of H.E/P.E/Drugs etc ???? Do you stand there and tell them that this is against your rights and you wont stand for it? Do you scream DICTATORSHIP and challange everyone? Do you choose to catch a bus ????